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The toughest GROM commandos - who is the elite of special forces? Tomasz "Lasek" Laskowski
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The toughest GROM commandos - who is the elite of special forces? Tomasz "Lasek" Laskowski

Cyprian Majcher
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TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

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TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

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Tomasz Laskowski, former GROM operator, passed selection in 2003, when out of about 150–300 candidates only 13 passed; selection included physical tests (20 pull-ups 'na fizola', push-ups, runs), psychological tests and a multi-day march in the Bieszczady mountains.

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He completed the combat diver course with distinction, although before the course he couldn't swim – he got a last chance from the instructor; during training his colleague died after choking on water during an emergency ascent in a deep pool.

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The basic course in GROM (so-called base course) lasted 13 months and included anonymous nominations by colleagues – if someone was slacking, they were eliminated; later he claims that more operators died in training than in real combat actions.

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In Afghanistan the Taliban used women and children as human shields and murdered village elders cooperating with the coalition; in one firefight Laskowski's colleague Krzysztof Woźniak was killed, and the Taliban commander responsible for it was killed by the Americans only after 2.5 years.

Protocols

Concrete recipes — what, when, how much, and why

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Mental endurance protocol during selection: never quit

WhatIn extreme physical duress, maintain a mindset that quitting is not an option; let the head accept the pain and keep moving forward toward the end goal.
WhenDuring selection mountain phase, any long‑duration high‑intensity effort.
DoseContinuous application throughout the ordeal.
For whomCandidates in selection; applicable to any extreme endurance challenge.
WhyQuitting becomes unthinkable; the brain reframes pain as acceptable when the direction is clear.
CaveatsRequires prior mental conditioning; may lead to pushing beyond safe limits.

Laskowski explains that despite severe foot blisters, hypothermia from not wearing gore‑tex, and fear of chafing or diarrhea from stream water, he never considered quitting. He was more afraid of being removed by instructors than of his own physical limits. He observed that some candidates quit spontaneously after being made pace‑setter, but his mind was fixed: "just to reach each stage to the end." The mental switch is that if the head works in a good direction, even pain becomes acceptable. This mindset carried him through.

Mechanism

Psychological reframing: by eliminating the option of quitting, the brain reduces suffering perception; focus shifts to step‑by‑step completion.

Personal experience

He describes his own crisis on the first mountain day when he was soaked and shivering uncontrollably, but after a few hours of rest under a tarp he recovered and continued. He also mentions worrying about foot blisters and chafing, but he "clenched his teeth" and pushed on.

if the head works in the so-called good direction then even that pain over time became something that you could simply accept in order to just reach each stage to the end

Also said
“I was most afraid that the instructors would simply somewhere somehow tell me You are finishing the selection”— His fear was external disqualification, not internal failure.

Peer anonymized vote‑out system

WhatUse an anonymous nomination system where team members flag underperforming or unreliable individuals; accumulation leads to removal.
WhenDuring extended team training (months‑long courses or operational preparation).
DoseContinuous observation, periodic voting.
For whomSpecial forces training units; applicable to high‑stakes teams.
WhyTrust is critical; those who don’t carry weight or exploit others compromise mission success.
CaveatsRequires a culture where honesty is encouraged and retaliation prevented; can be subjective.

In the GROM basic course, after an initial month of living together, teams were formed and tasks performed. Members anonymously submitted "nominations" if someone was slacking, lacking engagement, or unreliable. A warning (yellow card) was issued, and if behavior didn’t improve, removal followed. This internal oversight complemented instructor evaluation and ensured only fully integrated operators stayed.

Mechanism

Social pressure and accountability; hidden loafing is exposed, and the collective can remove a weak link.

Personal experience

He felt the pressure to prove himself to senior operators, knowing he could be voted out if he didn’t step up.

if someone got several nominations then simply ... if someone somewhere wasn't performing well then they got so-called several nominations they were counted in a ... get to work or get engaged or finally stop slacking

SERE interrogation mindset: don’t give counter

WhatWhen captured, maintain head down, stick to cover story, and avoid giving any counter‑information or resistance that would provoke more harm; endure physical abuse (water, electric shocks) without breaking.
WhenDuring captivity simulation (SERE course) and if ever captured.
DoseUntil rescue or end of exercise.
For whomOperators undergoing survival training.
WhyGiving information leads to compromise of team; showing weakness increases torture; staying passive reduces harm.
CaveatsExtreme mental fortitude required; can cause trauma.

During the capture phase of basic course, they were hooded, transported to an unknown location, and had to build and maintain a legend as a team. His team’s legend collapsed, and he endured repeated water dousing and electric shocks. Interrogators tried to break him by saying his teammates had already confessed, but he stuck to the legend, never revealing anything true. The key was to keep head down, not give counter‑aggression, and just survive. He later developed a conditioned response even to the sound of a flashlight click, showing deep psychological impact.

Mechanism

Psychological endurance: ‘grey man’ strategy reduces attention; passivity minimizes escalation; fixed legend provides mental anchor.

Personal experience

He vividly recalls sitting in a container, head down, being interrogated, with the constant pressure. He remembers the water and shocks and the internal question "what the hell do I need this for", but the goal to pass the course was clear.

I had training and you behave you have to work out and work so that the contact who interrogates you so that you don't give counter because if you give counter then they won't see that they have a chance to get information

Also said
“they put a so-called bag over our heads and took us somewhere ... the element of electric shock I remember to this day”— Describes hood and shock.

Operational reflex for breacher: no hesitation

WhatWhen given signal, immediately execute entry without overthinking; act on trained automatism: approach door, place charge or ladder, move in.
WhenDuring direct action raids, hostage rescue, any assault where breaching is required.
DosePer entry.
For whomAssault team members, especially the point man (rider).
WhyHesitation can cost lives; roles are pre‑assigned and drilled; overthinking breaks synchronization.
CaveatsRequires rigorous rehearsal; if not fully trained, can lead to fatal mistakes.

Laskowski explains that as "rider" (the first man in), he never had a second thought. When the signal came, he acted automatically. He compares it to being photographed from the side – he just did his job. He describes situations hanging from a rope, waiting on roof edge for the explosive charge to blow the window, and the team enters. There was no moment of "should I do this?", just pure reflex. This level of automaticity came from countless repetitions and trust in the plan.

Mechanism

Overlearning and procedural memory: through repetitive drills, the motor sequence becomes automatic, bypassing conscious deliberation.

Personal experience

He shares examples: on a ladder that swayed, he just climbed; in the car, when contact happened, he grabbed his minimi and mask. Once he forgot his helmet because he was relaxed, but when ambush came he acted instinctively.

there wasn't too much thinking PR it was simply a reflex you enter and do it

Also said
“I was a rider in the company meaning I opened I made those passages there was no such thing that I won't approach the door that I will hesitate”— His role as entry man.
“the guys were just waiting on the edge of the roof to simply fire that charge and to ride into that window so now wait Okay I still need a moment to think whether I'll actually do it — that was simply so automatic”— Illustrates the automatic, no‑think action.

Adrenaline compensation rituals

WhatTo manage post‑service adrenaline craving, engage in high‑intensity solo activities: motorcycle touring without fixed plans, skiing, tactical shooting training.
WhenOngoing, as needed.
DoseIndividually; spontaneous trips.
For whomEx‑special forces, but applicable to anyone with high sensation‑seeking.
WhyProvides controlled adrenaline release, mimics uncertainty and physical challenge, reduces frustration from mundane life.
CaveatsRisk of injury; legal risks if involving firearms.

He admits being addicted to the action and that it’s hard to stop. He constantly seeks situations that give a rush. He rides motorcycles on long solo trips with minimal planning, embracing problems like flat tires as part of the adventure. He runs a shooting school where he stands in front of shooting lines (safely). He also skis aggressively. This serves as a substitute for combat operations, keeping the mind engaged.

Mechanism

Sensation‑seeking behaviors raise dopamine and norepinephrine, partially replacing the neurochemical ‘high’ of combat; uncertainty re‑engages the orienting response.

Personal experience

He and his wife go on motorcycle trips where they pack up, take risks, and solve problems on the go. He says it’s "na żywca" – live, not planned. He also enjoys standing at the front during shooting training.

I am addicted to it ... every moment that appears to be able to have that shot again a person would use

Also said
“I ride a motorcycle I tear it up on skis I like I run a shooting school I like standing frontally when someone is shooting”— List of compensatory activities.
“this is optimal I ride a motorcycle ... we ride solo what will happen will not happen”— Embrace of unplanned adventure.

What's new

Personal practice updates, fresh positions, predictions

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training-deaths-exceed-combat-deaths

Laskowski reveals that more GROM operators died during training and preparation for missions than in actual combat, underscoring the lethal risk of realistic preparation.

Why this matters: Contradicts public perception that combat is the most dangerous part; highlights the extreme risk accepted in training.

Background

Typically special forces are thought to face the highest risk on deployment, but the unit’s high-fidelity training simulates real threats including drowning, falls, and explosive mishaps, resulting in fatalities.

He explains that during the combat diver course, a young soldier died after panicking during an emergency ascent drill in an 8‑m‑deep pool with old‑style dry suits and helmets. The trainee inhaled water, developed an embolism, and died the next day after not reporting symptoms. This incident shook the group but reinforced that training is not a game. He states that across his career, many colleagues died in training, not on missions, which shows how serious the preparation is.

Personal experience

He personally chose not to dive that day after the fatality, needing time to process, but continued the course and completed it with distinction.

more of us left during training and preparation for missions than in the tasks themselves

Also said
“there was a fatal case during training (...) he drank that water swallowed quite a lot in panic violently surfaced from that depth ... An embolism attack occurred which reached the brain”— Details the exact mechanism of the training death.
“I also didn't dive that day ... we had to sort it all out in our heads as young people”— Shows personal shock and coping.

internal-peer-elimination-system

During the 13‑month basic course, candidates anonymously nominated teammates who weren’t carrying their weight; multiple nominations led to removal, creating a brutal internal vetting process beyond instructor oversight.

Why this matters: Reveals how unit cohesion and trust were enforced from within, not just by top‑down selection.

Background

Most people think selection ends after a physical and psychological test, but the year‑long basic course had a hidden layer where peers could vote out those they deemed unreliable or lazy.

He explains that after initial months of living together, they worked in teams and could observe if someone was shirking duties, lacking engagement, or exploiting others. Through a system of anonymous nominations, a candidate would receive a warning ("yellow card"), and if the behavior continued, they’d be eliminated. This system ensured only those who truly integrated and worked hard remained, because in a real operation you need absolute trust. He says it was "ultra interesting" and that instructors alone couldn’t catch such subtle failures.

Personal experience

He describes being in teams with older, experienced operators and feeling pressure to prove himself; he knew that if he didn’t perform, he’d be voted out.

if someone got several nominations then simply ... if someone somewhere wasn't performing well then they got so-called several nominations they were counted ... because it was crucial things

Also said
“get to work or get engaged or finally stop slacking ... then they were simply eliminated”— The direct consequence of not pulling weight.

no-swimming-before-combat-diver-course

He passed the demanding combat diver course with distinction despite not knowing how to swim when he arrived, only after an instructor gave an ultimatum to learn or fail.

Why this matters: Illustrates extreme determination and the unit’s willingness to give a chance if the mental will is there; also shows that diving does not require traditional swimming technique.

Background

The course began with a swimming test; he couldn’t swim more than 10 m and had to be rescued. The instructor offered a final chance if he could handle subsequent deep‑pool exercises without major errors and learn to swim in parallel.

He describes being a "simple guy from a village" with no swimming experience and a fear of water due to lack of exposure. The ultimatum made him work relentlessly, and he mastered swimming while completing the course. He finished with distinction, proving that the will to succeed can overcome initial deficiencies. This personal story became a foundation of his career mindset.

Personal experience

Full first‑person account of the swimming test failure, the "wilczy bilet" last chance, and learning to swim during the course. He says "I learned to swim in the meantime."

I went to the course without swimming skills ... I finished that course with distinction And I learned to swim in the meantime

Also said
“I swam about 10 meters where the pool was 50 m and then I had to be rescued”— Quantifies initial poor performance.

women-in-special-forces-conservative-stance

Laskowski believes women should not be in assault units due to biological differences, but if a woman passes selection, she must be treated identically to men with no leniency, and he would trust her if she proves herself.

Why this matters: Direct, unfiltered opinion from an elite operator, challenging current diversity pushes.

Background

The host asked about a female candidate (a doctor) going through selection. Laskowski acknowledges her, saying she is treated like a classic candidate with the same pull‑up and push‑up limits, no shortened time. He states his conservative view but admits that if she makes it and performs, he’d trust her in a team, though initially skeptical.

He elaborates that if a woman were in a team and someone hesitated in a critical moment (like not pulling the trigger), it could lead to death for all. He argues that in such a situation, he would not hesitate to shoot a threatening woman if needed. He uses the analogy of a knifeman scenario: would you shield your wife or step aside? He says nature hasn’t changed in thousands of years; gender roles exist for survival. He applauds the candidate’s motivation but remains conservative.

Personal experience

He references his own daughter’s emotional needs and his wife’s care.

I am quite conservative I think ... that it shouldn't be exactly in this dimension ... if an extreme situation occurred ... the consequence of that is death

gun-ownership-rights-for-ex-special-forces

He advocates that ex‑military, especially special operators, should have an obligatory pathway to own firearms for self‑defense without going through sports‑shooting licenses, and he would use lethal force to protect family regardless of legal consequences.

Why this matters: Outspoken policy position from an insider, criticizing Polish gun laws as restrictive and illogical for trained professionals.

Background

Currently he must maintain collector and sport licenses to possess weapons, despite having used them professionally 24/7. He finds it absurd that he must demonstrate sport‑shooting proficiency when his real‑world expertise is far deeper.

He details how he obtained a personal protection permit that only allows defending himself, not others nearby, which contradicts the purpose. He says if he saw a mass stabbing, he’d use his gun and later face jail, because protecting innocent life is the priority. He calls society "disarmed" by laws that treat everyone equally, ignoring that some are highly trained. He believes the rules should be changed to recognize proven service records.

Personal experience

He takes weapons to trainings, often traveling with a car full of firearms and ammunition; police generally recognize his permits and don’t cause problems, but the system is fragile.

we as people former soldiers or Soldiers who are in reserve should have obligatory access to weapons ... not for sport but simply for personal purposes

Also said
“I didn't get a permit before ... I go through the stages of sportsman collector ... what sense does that make after so many years of working with weapons”— Absurdity of license tiers.

Recommendations

Products, supplements, and tools mentioned in the episode

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Solo adventure motorcycling for mental reset

Practice

He and his wife ride without fixed plans, embracing mechanical breakdowns and uncertainty; he recommends it as a way to live "na żywca" and satisfy the need for challenge.

He describes a recent trip where they had a flat tire, had to fix it themselves, and felt alive. This practice replaces the operational uncertainty and tests resilience.

vs alternatives

Compared to planned, safe travel, this offers real unpredictability and adrenaline.

Personal experience

He goes on such trips with his wife (Gośka), just the two of them, and they solve problems as they arise.

we ride with Gośka alone we get on the motorcycle and there without any prep there is some preparation but we ride solo ... what will happen will not happen

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Immediate lethal force for family defense

Practice

He states that if a gang attacked his family, he would shoot them all without hesitation and accept jail; he considers it instinct and morally correct.

He believes the legal system is stacked against self‑defense, but he would still act because protection of loved ones outweighs consequences. He critiques Poland’s gun laws but would not let them stop him.

Personal experience

He hasn’t needed to do it, but he is mentally prepared.

if something threatened my family ... I wouldn't even hesitate I would simply repel them and later go to jail

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Notable quotes

Lines worth pulling out — contrarian, specific, or perfectly phrased

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there is no such thing as a human reflex
Stark description of Taliban’s lack of empathy, setting the moral frame of the conflict.
more of us left during training and preparation for missions than in the tasks themselves
Counter‑intuitive statistic that reframes the public’s understanding of special forces’ risk.
if the head works in the so-called good direction then even that pain over time became something that you could simply accept
Encapsulates his mental endurance philosophy that got him through selection.

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