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Protein Scientist Reveals New Study on High Protein Diets & Resistance Training for Fat Loss
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Protein Scientist Reveals New Study on High Protein Diets & Resistance Training for Fat Loss

Thomas DeLauer
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TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

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TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

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Resistance training preserves muscle during severe calorie restriction: in a study with bariatric surgery candidates on 800–1,200 kcal/day, adding resistance training reduced muscle loss from 25% to just 4% of total weight lost.

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Resistance training directly stimulates fat loss through multiple mechanisms: catecholamine surge, growth hormone-driven lipolysis, and muscle-to-fat signaling via myokines and extracellular vesicles carrying miR-1 that releases the brake on fat breakdown.

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For maximum fat oxidation, do cardio within 20 minutes after resistance training rather than waiting 2 hours; the shorter window capitalizes on the elevated metabolic state.

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Obese individuals face a blunted lipolytic response to exercise due to higher insulin and lower growth hormone, but resistance training still provides a fat-loss stimulus and early strength gains can boost motivation.

Protocols

Concrete recipes — what, when, how much, and why

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Resistance training as a primary fat-loss tool

WhatIncorporate resistance training regularly to directly stimulate fat loss, not just to build muscle.
WhenAt least 2-3 times per week, as part of a fat-loss program.
DoseNot specified; 12-week programs were used in studies.
For whomEveryone, especially those who dislike or cannot perform aerobic exercise, and individuals with obesity.
WhyResistance training increases catecholamines, growth hormone, and myokine release, which enhance lipolysis and fat oxidation; it also preserves muscle during calorie deficits.
CaveatsNone mentioned, but proper form and progression are implied.

Dr. Ormsby argues that resistance training is underutilized for fat loss because people associate it only with muscle gain and think cardio is the only way to burn fat. He cites multiple lines of evidence: their microdialysis studies showing increased glycerol (lipolysis) after resistance training in both lean and obese individuals; the bariatric surgery study where resistance training preserved muscle and shifted weight loss to almost entirely fat; and the emerging muscle-fat crosstalk mechanisms. He emphasizes that resistance training provides early 'wins' through strength gains, which can motivate people who are discouraged by slow scale weight changes. For those carrying excess weight, resistance training can be safer and more enjoyable than high-impact cardio, and it reshapes the body rather than just creating a smaller version of the same shape.

Mechanism

Resistance training elevates norepinephrine and epinephrine, which stimulate beta-adrenergic receptors on fat cells to accelerate lipolysis. It also spikes growth hormone, which is lipolytic. Muscle damage releases myokines (IL-6, TNF-alpha) and extracellular vesicles carrying miR-1 that remove the alpha-adrenergic brake on fat breakdown. Additionally, EPOC increases energy expenditure for up to 48 hours.

Personal experience

Dr. Ormsby's early work involved using microdialysis to measure glycerol during resistance training, replicating what had been done with aerobic exercise. He found the same lipolytic response, which launched his lab's focus on resistance training for fat metabolism.

resistance training is a fat loss tool that uh we've got to take advantage of.

Also said
“If you want to change your body composition to be more muscular, change the shape, resistance training is your tool. If you'd want to be a smaller version of your current shape, aerobic training would be your tool.”— Clarifies the body composition outcome difference between modalities.
“we've actually seen a lot of success where we had um individuals with obesity um do things like the leg press and it's safe and it's structured and we have spotters, but they're good at it. And so immediately you get a win.”— Highlights the motivational and safety benefits for obese individuals.

High protein intake with resistance training during very low calorie diets

WhatWhen on a severe calorie deficit (e.g., 800-1,200 kcal/day), increase protein intake and perform resistance training to preserve muscle mass.
WhenDuring medically supervised very low calorie diets or aggressive fat-loss phases.
DoseProtein intake should be kept high (exact grams not specified, but they increased it from ~0.55 g/kg to a higher level); resistance training for 12 weeks.
For whomIndividuals on very low calorie diets, particularly those preparing for or avoiding bariatric surgery.
WhyPrevents the loss of lean body mass; in the study, muscle loss was only 4% of total weight lost with resistance training vs. 25% without.
CaveatsShould be done under medical supervision; the diet was extremely low calorie and not suitable for self-prescription.

Dr. Ormsby describes a study where they recruited individuals scheduled for bariatric surgery. The standard pre-surgery diet was 800 kcal/day with very low protein (about 0.55 g/kg). Concerned this would cause excessive muscle loss, the research team convinced the medical staff to increase protein in both groups, bringing total calories to around 1,200. One group did resistance training, the other did basic calisthenics. After 12 weeks, both groups lost significant weight, but the resistance training group lost only 4% of that weight as muscle, compared to 25% in the calisthenics group. This demonstrated the power of combining protein and resistance training to spare muscle even under extreme calorie restriction. He stresses that when cutting calories, protein should remain high while other macronutrients are reduced.

Mechanism

Protein provides amino acids for muscle protein synthesis, while resistance training provides the anabolic stimulus to retain muscle. Together, they shift weight loss composition toward fat.

Personal experience

Dr. Ormsby was directly involved in this study, convincing the medical team to increase protein and designing the resistance training intervention.

you need to keep you need to put protein high and reduce everything else to drop it and then add in the training piece if you want to save muscle.

Also said
“the group that did resistance training only lost 4% of the weight they lost was muscle. The group that did not resistance train lost 25% it was 24 so call it 25% of their um weight loss came from their muscle.”— The key quantitative outcome demonstrating muscle sparing.

Cardio within 20 minutes after resistance training for fat oxidation

WhatPerform aerobic exercise shortly after resistance training, ideally within 20 minutes, without eating in between.
WhenImmediately after a resistance training session.
Dose20-minute wait before cardio; duration of cardio not specified.
For whomIndividuals aiming to maximize fat loss from combined training.
WhyCapitalizes on the elevated metabolic state and muscle-to-fat signaling; studies show better fat oxidation with a 20-minute gap than a 120-minute gap.
CaveatsStudies were done fasted; real-world application may vary. Eating between sessions would blunt the effect.

Dr. Ormsby discusses two studies that specifically tested the timing of cardio after resistance training. One group waited 20 minutes, the other 120 minutes, before an aerobic session. Fat oxidation was higher in the 20-minute group. He explains that waiting 120 minutes is not only less effective but also impractical—most people would eat during that time, which would further reduce fat oxidation. The 20-minute window keeps you in a fasted, metabolically activated state, taking advantage of the 'double hit' on metabolism. This protocol is especially useful for those who want to combine both modalities in one gym visit.

Mechanism

The muscle is still in a 'revved up' state with elevated catecholamines and active myokine/extracellular vesicle signaling, enhancing lipolysis during subsequent aerobic work.

the shorter duration the shorter time the 20 minutes instead of 120 minutes was more beneficial for that fat ox piece.

Also said
“in real world too if you had that long of a weight 120 minutes you'd probably eat. Yeah. So yeah, the the this whole piece is interesting because most of the studies are done in um a space where you are fasted because you have to control all these metabolic fererals, but in real life a lot of people don't show up to work out that way.”— Acknowledges the real-world practicality of the shorter window.

Periodic strength testing to maintain motivation during fat loss

WhatTest strength metrics every 4-8 weeks to demonstrate progress when scale weight isn't changing.
WhenAt regular intervals (e.g., 4, 6, 8 weeks) during a resistance training program.
DoseCheck-ins at 4, 6, and 8 weeks as examples.
For whomAnyone on a fat-loss program, especially those who are scale-weight focused.
WhyStrength gains occur before visible body composition changes; seeing these wins keeps people engaged and prevents dropout.
CaveatsNone mentioned.

Dr. Ormsby shares an anecdote from his early studies (around 1999-2000) where participants dropped out despite improvements in body composition (clothes fitting better, belts tighter) because their body weight didn't change. This taught him that people are heavily driven by the scale. To combat this, his team now builds in periodic strength testing. When participants see their strength numbers going up, it provides a tangible win and momentum to continue. This is especially important because resistance training may not cause immediate weight loss due to muscle gain offsetting fat loss, but strength improvements are rapid and motivating.

Mechanism

Neuromuscular adaptations and early muscle protein synthesis increase strength before significant hypertrophy or fat loss occurs.

Personal experience

Dr. Ormsby witnessed participants dropping out of his early studies despite positive body composition changes, which led him to implement strength check-ins.

we built in wins with some of these where we do periodic testing for strength because that's going to go up. Yep. Before you see other things.

Also said
“we had people that would literally drop out of the study even though they're saying my my clothes fit better, my belts another notch tighter, but their body weight didn't change.”— Illustrates the problem that periodic strength testing solves.

Structured diet breaks instead of cheat days

WhatPeriodically increase calories to maintenance for a few days as a planned break, rather than unstructured cheat days.
WhenDuring prolonged dieting phases; frequency and duration vary (e.g., a few days every several weeks).
DoseBill Campbell's research includes breaks of a few days to longer; exact protocol not specified by Dr. Ormsby.
For whomDieters who struggle with adherence or experience weight-loss plateaus.
WhyPrevents metabolic adaptation and psychological burnout; unstructured cheat days tend to expand and undermine progress.
CaveatsMust be calculated and planned; not a free-for-all. Dr. Ormsby notes that when they gave a full day off, some people did well, but others started expanding it to two days, leading to derailment.

Dr. Ormsby references Bill Campbell's work on diet breaks, noting that weight loss is not linear and breaks can actually improve long-term success. In one of his own studies, they gave participants one full day off per week. For some, it was a helpful psychological reset without overeating. However, for others, it led to 'creep'—starting the break earlier or extending it, eventually turning one day into two and causing them to fall off track. He advocates for a sustainable approach where breaks are woven into the plan as part of the strategy, not as a reaction to deprivation. This prevents the feeling of making a mistake and keeps the overall trajectory positive.

Mechanism

Diet breaks may help reset hormones like leptin and thyroid, and reduce the psychological stress of constant restriction.

Personal experience

Dr. Ormsby's lab ran a study with a full day off, observing both the benefits and the pitfalls of unstructured breaks.

I am of more of the philosophy of like let's try to make this sustainable you know let's make this sustainable so if you just weave that into your plan is part of your plan.

Also said
“where it didn't work was and you you would start to say okay well instead of just doing let's just pick Sunday off and you do eat what you want. It was like well can I do Saturday at noon to Sunday at noon so that I get Saturday night. And then that morphed into well I want to do brunch on Saturday too. So I'm going to start that at 10. And then it kind of creeped up.”— Illustrates the real-world failure mode of unstructured cheat days.

What's new

Personal practice updates, fresh positions, predictions

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Muscle-fat crosstalk via extracellular vesicles and miR-1

Resistance training causes muscle to release extracellular vesicles containing miR-1, which travels to fat tissue and removes the brake on lipolysis, directly accelerating fat breakdown.

Why this matters: Provides a direct molecular mechanism for how resistance training burns fat independent of calorie expenditure, overturning the old view that fat tissue is inert.

Background

Previously, fat was considered a passive energy store with little communication with muscle. Over the last four years, research has revealed that muscle and fat actively signal each other.

Dr. Ormsby explains that for a long time, fat was thought to be almost inert, but now we know it's highly active and communicates with many tissues. However, it wasn't solidified that muscle and fat directly communicate to enhance lipolysis. In the last couple of years, studies have shown that muscle damage from resistance training releases myokines and cytokines like IL-6 and TNF-alpha, which stimulate lipolysis. More recently, a paper demonstrated that extracellular vesicles from muscle carry a molecule called miR-1. This miR-1 acts as a brake on lipolysis; when it reaches fat cells, it stops that brake, allowing lipolysis to accelerate. This ongoing communication means resistance training is directly influencing what happens in fat tissue. The research is still early, but it confirms that these tissues are talking, and resistance training is a direct fat-loss stimulus.

Personal experience

Dr. Ormsby mentions seeing a really cool paper in the last four years that looked at these extracellular vesicles, which inspired his lab's current direction.

MIR1 is a break um it stops the break on lipolysis. So it comes out of the muscle, it goes to the fat, it stops the break on lipolysis allowing it to accelerate.

Also said
“there's been an uptick in research looking at this space and um you know for a while fat was considered to be almost inert like no activity and then now we know it's highly active and it communicates with a lot of different places.”— Highlights the paradigm shift from fat as inert to an active endocrine organ.

Growth hormone's primary role in resistance training is lipolysis, not hypertrophy

The acute spike in growth hormone after resistance training is now thought to mainly drive fat breakdown rather than muscle growth, reframing its purpose.

Why this matters: Challenges the traditional bodybuilding belief that post-workout growth hormone is for building muscle, redirecting its importance to fat loss.

Background

Growth hormone was long believed to be a key anabolic signal for muscle hypertrophy after training, but that role has been largely dismissed in recent years.

Dr. Ormsby notes that growth hormone's role in muscle growth has been 'sort of shut down' acutely. However, growth hormone is also lipolytic. In their microdialysis studies, they saw growth hormone rise significantly after resistance training in both lean and obese individuals. They hypothesized that this spike was stimulating the lipolytic response. To test this, another group perfused growth hormone directly into subcutaneous belly fat via a microdialysis probe and observed a much greater increase in glycerol, indicating heightened lipolysis. This suggests that the well-known growth hormone elevation from resistance training is actually a fat-loss signal, not a muscle-building one. This reframes how we interpret the hormonal response to training.

Personal experience

Dr. Ormsby's lab measured growth hormone in their own studies and saw it go 'way up' in both lean and obese groups, leading them to investigate its lipolytic role.

growth hormone is also lipolytic. So maybe that elevation that we see acutely in um growth hormone is really more something to aid in the lipolysis side.

Also said
“when they perused growth hormone in straight into the belly fat, they saw that that particular group had a much greater increase in glycerol meaning it had a heightened lipolysis.”— Direct experimental evidence that growth hormone applied locally increases fat breakdown.
“we don't necessarily think is really involved in that hypertrophy response acutely anymore. But we have um now I think it's on the lipolytic side and that's what's driving the change in fat metabolism.”— Explicitly states the shift in thinking from hypertrophy to lipolysis.

Obese individuals have a larger 'brake' on lipolysis due to higher insulin and blunted growth hormone

People with obesity show a blunted lipolytic response to resistance training because of chronically elevated insulin and a weaker growth hormone surge, making fat loss physiologically harder.

Why this matters: Provides a mechanistic explanation for why losing fat is more difficult once obese, beyond just willpower, and highlights the need for tailored strategies.

Background

It's commonly observed that obese individuals struggle more to lose fat, but the specific physiological brakes were not well characterized in the context of resistance training.

Dr. Ormsby's lab compared lean and obese sedentary individuals during resistance training using microdialysis to measure glycerol (a marker of lipolysis). Both groups increased lipolysis, but the obese group's response was significantly blunted. They explored why by looking at insulin and growth hormone. Insulin, a potent inhibitor of lipolysis, was higher in the obese group at every time point. Additionally, the growth hormone response was blunted—it rose, but not nearly as much as in the lean group. In earlier aerobic studies, giving phentolamine (an alpha-receptor blocker) normalized the lipolytic response in obese individuals, suggesting a larger alpha-adrenergic 'brake.' However, in their resistance training study, phentolamine only increased lipolysis in the lean group, not the obese, indicating that the alpha-receptors are involved but not the main player. The combination of high insulin and low growth hormone appears to create a double brake on fat mobilization in obesity. This means that once someone becomes obese, their body actively resists fat loss, making the initial phase of weight loss particularly challenging.

Personal experience

Dr. Ormsby was part of these studies and describes the surprising finding that phentolamine didn't work the same in resistance training as it did in aerobic studies.

insulin was higher in the people with obesity at every single time point, which is a another break on lipolysis.

Also said
“the obese phenotype had a much just a blunted response all over the place. They had lipolysis but it was much lower than the lean group.”— Directly states the blunted lipolysis in obesity.
“the growth hormone response was also blunted. It went up, but not nearly as much as the lean group.”— Identifies a second brake—impaired growth hormone response.

Optimal cardio timing after resistance training: 20 minutes vs. 120 minutes

Two studies show that performing aerobic exercise 20 minutes after resistance training yields greater fat oxidation than waiting 120 minutes, likely due to sustained metabolic elevation and muscle-fat signaling.

Why this matters: Provides a practical, evidence-based strategy for combining modalities to maximize fat loss, challenging the common practice of separating sessions or doing cardio first.

Background

Many people wonder whether to do cardio before or after weights, and if after, how long to wait. Previous data only suggested a general EPOC effect lasting up to 48 hours.

Dr. Ormsby explains that while the exact duration of the lipolytic window after resistance training isn't directly measured, older data on fat oxidation suggests it lasts 24-48 hours. Two specific papers compared doing an aerobic session either 20 minutes or 120 minutes after resistance training. The 20-minute interval resulted in better fat oxidation. He reasons that at 20 minutes, you're still 'revved up' from the first session, taking advantage of a double hit on metabolism and the muscle-to-fat signaling (like miR-1). Waiting 120 minutes is not only less effective but also impractical for most people, who would likely eat during that gap, further blunting the response. This suggests that for those aiming to maximize fat loss, a short transition from weights to cardio is ideal, and it should be done fasted or without feeding in between.

the shorter duration the shorter time the 20 minutes instead of 120 minutes was more beneficial for that fat ox piece.

Also said
“you're still kind of revved up from that first one you're in a state to use it you probably uh are you know taking advantage of sort of the double hit on metabolism through that space and you're potentially using this mechanism coming from the muscle to the um to the atapost tissue itself.”— Explains the rationale for the shorter window being more effective.
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resistance training is a fat loss tool that uh we've got to take advantage of.
Succinctly reframes resistance training as a direct fat-loss strategy, not just for building muscle.
the group that did resistance training only lost 4% of the weight they lost was muscle. The group that did not resistance train lost 25%.
Stark, memorable statistic demonstrating the muscle-sparing effect of resistance training during extreme dieting.
If you want to change your body composition to be more muscular, change the shape, resistance training is your tool. If you'd want to be a smaller version of your current shape, aerobic training would be your tool.
A clear, practical heuristic for choosing exercise modality based on aesthetic goals.
growth hormone is also lipolytic. So maybe that elevation that we see acutely in um growth hormone is really more something to aid in the lipolysis side.
Challenges the entrenched belief that post-exercise growth hormone is for muscle growth, redirecting it to fat metabolism.
the leaner you get, the more you're going to be able to tap into these resources. It almost seems unfair.
Captures the frustrating reality that fat loss becomes easier as you get leaner, while it's hardest at the start.
we had people that would literally drop out of the study even though they're saying my my clothes fit better, my belts another notch tighter, but their body weight didn't change.
Illustrates the psychological power of the scale and the importance of non-scale victories.

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