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Essential Kettlebell Movements | Lacee Lazoff & Melissa Paris
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Essential Kettlebell Movements | Lacee Lazoff & Melissa Paris

Gabrielle Lyon
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TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

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TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

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The three kettlebell movements everyone should master are the swing (explosive hip power), the Turkish Get Up (total-body stabilization and ground-to-standing), and the overhead press — in that order of priority.

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Hard-style kettlebell training — derived from martial arts, alternating between full-tension and full-relaxation — produces maximum muscle contraction and power output; it is fundamentally different from kettlebell sport, which emphasizes fluid endurance.

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The kettlebell swing mimics a broad jump or box jump with feet on the floor, making it a safe way to train explosive hip-extension power in postpartum women, people with disc fusions, and anyone who cannot tolerate true impact loading.

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A practical fitness standard: every person should be able to carry their own bodyweight in their hands for 60 seconds — a benchmark that reveals grip, shoulder stability, and core integration all at once.

Protocols

Concrete recipes — what, when, how much, and why

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Hard-style kettlebell swing technique (hip-hinge, stop at shoulder height)

WhatPerform the swing in hard style: hip-hinge back, explosive hip thrust forward, let the bell float to shoulder height with arms straight. At the top, achieve full-body tension — core braced, glutes squeezed, lats engaged, chin tucked. At the bottom of the swing, be completely relaxed. Do not throw the bell overhead.
WhenFoundation of any kettlebell program. Teach before snatch or clean. Also use as a power substitute for populations who cannot do impact loading.
DoseTypical hard-style sets are 10-20 reps with full tension on each rep, not continuous endurance sets. Rest until breathing returns before next set.
For whomMost people who want explosive hip power, strength, or athletic carryover. Safe modification for postpartum women, disc fusion patients, and anyone who cannot tolerate impact loading.
WhyThe alternation between maximum tension and complete relaxation at the bottom is what makes hard-style produce maximal muscle contraction and neuromuscular recruitment. Continuous fluid movement (as in kettlebell sport) trains a different quality — endurance — at the cost of peak force output.
CaveatsNot appropriate for everyone — people with certain disc fusions or severe back pathology should be screened first. Hip-hinge mechanics must be established before loading.

Lazoff describes the top position of the hard-style swing: arms at shoulder height, arms straight, body in the same tension as if you placed yourself in a plank on your fists on the ground. The chin is tucked, the bell is not going overhead. This creates a full-body irradiation effect — every muscle tightens to brace the ballistic load. Then in the backswing, the athlete releases completely into the hip hinge. This tension-relaxation cycle is the neurological driver of the training effect and is explicitly derived from martial arts training principles.

Mechanism

The explosive hip-extension pattern recruits the posterior chain (glutes, hamstrings, spinal erectors) through a rapid stretch-shortening cycle. The full-body tension at peak position creates irradiation — co-contraction throughout the kinetic chain — producing a training stimulus similar to Olympic lifting but with lower technical barriers.

Core is tight, booties tight, like legs are tight, like the whole thing, chin's tucked back. We're not looking about throwing the bell overhead. We're not — it's not a fluid movement. It is a hard style.

Also said
“When in hard style kettlebell training you're either very tense or you're very relaxed and this is one of the harder things to learn in the ballistic style of movement so swings snatches anything power cleaning the bell and we teach this because you get that maximum muscle contraction.”— Names the tension-relaxation alternation as the mechanism for maximum contraction — the defining characteristic of hard style.

Turkish Get Up as daily 'grease the grooves' practice

WhatPerform 1-3 Turkish Get Ups per side daily or several times per week at a manageable weight. Move slowly and deliberately through each phase of the movement — rolling to elbow, pressing to hand, sweeping the leg, kneeling, standing — with the kettlebell locked overhead throughout. Use it as a maintenance and movement-quality tool, not as a hypertrophy stimulus.
WhenAs part of a warm-up, as a stand-alone movement session on rest days, or as a daily practice for sedentary populations or postpartum recovery.
DoseLow volume, moderate weight. Not programmed to failure or high fatigue. Goal is movement quality and lubrication of the joint and neural patterns.
For whomSedentary desk workers who have lost thoracic mobility and rotational core function. Postpartum women rebuilding coordinated core recruitment. Older adults maintaining fall-prevention capability. Anyone using it as a daily movement maintenance tool.
WhyThe TGU is the one movement that trains the full ground-to-standing transition under load, rehearsing shoulder stability, thoracic rotation, hip transition, and anti-rotational core in a continuous integrated pattern. It is also the one movement that directly trains the capability that predicts fall risk in older adults.
CaveatsDoes not replace hypertrophy-focused pressing work for shoulder development. Light enough that technique is never compromised.

Lazoff describes the TGU as 'greasing up the machine' — the goal is not muscle gain but movement quality maintenance. For postpartum recovery, she positions it as the movement that rebuilds the coordinated core connection that pregnancy disrupts, specifically the rotational and anti-rotational stability, without creating intra-abdominal pressure that could worsen pelvic floor dysfunction. Lyon, who has trained with both guests for many years, uses the TGU primarily for grease-the-grooves purposes rather than shoulder building. Paris notes the shoulder stability demand — holding the bell overhead through the entire sequence — forces the athlete to stabilize in motion, not just in a fixed position.

The Turkish Get Up by far is I mean especially for postpartum recovery because it strengthens your core in a way that no other movement is going to strengthen. But I would do it to grease the grooves is what we like to say.

Kettlebell overhead press for shoulder health and upper body strength

WhatPress a kettlebell overhead from the rack position (bell resting against forearm, wrist straight, elbow tucked), extending fully at the top. The kettlebell's offset center of mass, resting against the body, creates a more natural arc of shoulder motion compared to a dumbbell. Progress to push-press and jerk variations as strength and endurance improve.
WhenAs a primary upper-body strength movement in the program. Also useful as an endurance substitute for people who cannot swing or snatch.
DoseStandard strength sets of 3-5 reps at heavier loads, or endurance sets of 10-20 reps at lighter loads for push-press/jerk variations.
For whomAny population seeking upper body strength. Particularly valuable for those who find dumbbell pressing uncomfortable due to shoulder mechanics. Can substitute for swinging/snatching when those are contraindicated.
WhyThe kettlebell's center of mass sits behind and below the handle in the rack position, which keeps the load hugged against the body and encourages a natural shoulder arc through pressing. A dumbbell held at the outside of the wrist creates more medial pull and can feel clunky. Kettlebell overhead work also builds the rack and overhead stability needed for more advanced movements like the jerk.

Lazoff explains the biomechanical advantage: the dumbbell looks like a mini-barbell with weight distributed on either side, whereas the kettlebell bell rests against the body, which keeps the load in a more natural plane for shoulder movement. She and Paris both prefer the kettlebell overhead press with clients for this ergonomic reason. Lyon notes that good overhead pressing strength opens the door to more complex endurance patterns — push press, jerk — making it a movement that scales across a wide fitness range.

An overhead press because of the natural movement of the shoulder and because the dumbbell I think it looks like a little mini barbell to wait throughout here versus hugged against your body — to us this feels like more of a natural position for your shoulder to move through.

Kettlebell carry as daily functional strength practice

WhatCarry a heavy kettlebell (or two) for 30-60 seconds while maintaining tall posture, level pelvis, and active lats. Use suitcase (one-sided), farmer (bilateral), rack (bell at shoulder), and overhead carry variations to target different stabilization demands.
WhenAs a training finisher, as a stand-alone conditioning session, or as daily practice. Lyon uses single-side heavy carries prescribed by her physical therapist as a tune-up for core asymmetries.
DoseTarget 60 seconds per set as the fitness standard. Single-side carries at a heavy enough load to challenge posture are more valuable than bilateral carries at a light load.
For whomEveryone. Especially desk workers who have lost core stability awareness, older adults maintaining functional independence, and people who want a simple self-assessment tool for their total-body strength.
WhyThe carry integrates grip, wrist, elbow, shoulder, thoracic, and core stability in a single loaded movement that directly mirrors real-world tasks. It also reveals asymmetries and stability deficits that isolated exercises mask.
CaveatsSingle-sided carries require adequate core strength to prevent lateral trunk flexion. Beginners should start bilateral and lighter.

Paris cites a benchmark from a physician on a podcast: every person should be able to carry their own bodyweight in their hands for 60 seconds. She endorses this as a global fitness test. Lyon describes her own recent experience: her PT in New York put her through single-side heavy carries and she discovered core engagement asymmetries she had not noticed — sitting at a computer had quietly eroded what training had built. The carry also teaches body awareness: Paris describes the micro-win of standing taller and balancing her center of mass while carrying a grocery bag upstairs, and how that single habit over time protects knees and hips.

Personal experience

Paris: 'I just went in actually for a tune-up — I have a physical therapist here in New York that I see who's amazing and he had me doing single-side heavy carries and he was like you know touch your back here — are you tight right there, can you feel your muscles working — because I sit a lot now, I have like more time than ever on a computer.'

Every person should be able to carry their body weight for 60 seconds in their hands. Like you should be able to take one kettlebell — grip strength, all of that indicator of overall fitness — you should be able to hold your own body weight whatever you are.

Align training choices with daily life difficulty (functional needs assessment)

WhatBefore designing a training program, inventory the physical tasks you find difficult or uncomfortable in daily life. Make those deficits the primary targets of your training selection — not a preset program template.
WhenAt the start of any new training block. Revisit quarterly as life demands and fitness levels change.
DoseThe assessment itself takes 5-10 minutes of honest reflection. The output is a shortlist of 1-3 functional deficits to address in the next training block.
For whomGeneral population, especially people who are not competitive athletes and struggle with program adherence.
WhyTraining toward real-life deficits is more motivating, more functional, and better at identifying structural weaknesses than following a generic program. It also makes the training directly meaningful — you see carry-over into daily life within weeks.

Paris frames this as 'looking at your life and being like what's difficult for me — where are the areas for opportunity.' The carry example is the clearest: if grocery bags make you hunch and compensate, your training should include carries. She contrasts this with the default mindset of fixating on sets and reps toward arbitrary numbers. The functional lens also makes carry and get-up work legible to non-gym people — they don't need to care about 'training carries' per se, but they understand 'I want carrying heavy things to feel easy.'

What's difficult for you physically in your life — it could be mentally — and get that into your training. Bring that up, use it as an area of opportunity.

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Hard-style vs. kettlebell sport: two completely different training systems

~08 min

Most people see a kettlebell and assume it is one tool with one technique. Guests Lacee Lazoff and Melissa Paris clarify there are two distinct schools: hard style (stop at shoulder height, maximum tension, derived from martial arts) and kettlebell sport (girevoy, fluid and relaxed, designed for 10-minute continuous sets at competition). The goals, bells, and body mechanics differ entirely.

Why this matters: The confusion between these two systems causes people to train inefficiently — using an endurance style when they want power, or injuring wrists using sport bells for hard-style ballistics.

Background

Kettlebell sport (girevoy) uses color-coded competition bells that are larger but the same size regardless of weight, with metal handles. Hard-style bells vary in size with weight. Girevoy competitors train for long continuous sets (10+ minutes) at lighter loads; hard-style athletes work in short, explosive sets at heavier loads.

Lazoff draws the analogy cleanly: girevoy is the marathon runner; hard-style is the sprinter. The competition bells are engineered to sit differently on the wrist for prolonged rack position — a position that would be agonizing in a hard-style set. Using the wrong bell for the wrong system is not just inefficient, it sets you up for wrist and forearm overuse injuries. Lyon notes that people on Instagram throwing around large bells may actually be moving an 8-kilo — the size of the bell is not the tell, which further blurs the distinction for casual observers.

Hard style so it comes it's derived from martial arts training so it's a blend of tension and relaxation so when in hard style kettlebell training you're either very tense or you're very relaxed and this is one of the harder things to learn in the ballistic style of movement.

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“Those ones are meant for endurance kettlebell work which we're not trained in that. They do long form movements like you might have 10 minutes of doing a kettlebell snatch or like a jerk and those are meant to be done — they do competitions for it actually — for endurance.”— Distinguishes girevoy kettlebell sport from hard-style — entirely different goals, entirely different technique.

Kettlebell swing as a safe proxy for jumping and explosive hip power

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The swing is biomechanically equivalent to a broad jump or box jump — the hip-extension force and power output are similar — but feet stay on the floor. This makes it the key tool for postpartum women, people with pelvic floor issues, those with spinal fusions, and anyone who cannot tolerate true impact yet needs to train explosive power.

Why this matters: Most coaches prescribe impact (jumping) for power training and then simply tell postpartum or injured populations to skip it. The swing offers the same stimulus without the landing forces.

Background

After childbirth, many women are eager to return to running or jumping but have compromised pelvic floor function. Traditional power programming has no good substitute. Lazoff specializes in postpartum fitness and developed this framing through years of clinical coaching.

The snatch is compared to a box jump where the feet never leave the ground — you generate the upward acceleration through the same hip-extension chain but transfer it to the bell rather than the body's center of mass. This means a woman rehabbing her pelvic floor can train the entire neuromuscular pattern of explosive hip extension, including the reactive bracing that protects the floor, without the downward landing force that causes leaking or prolapse symptoms. Paris adds that for the majority of people — not just postpartum — swing variations should be the first movement taught because they build the hip-hinge pattern that underlies deadlifts, jumps, and sprints.

I could take a woman that loves running and I could actually train her with the force of a jump — essentially when you're kettlebell swinging think of it almost like doing a broad jump like your feet are on the ground — you would propel yourself across the floor if you were doing a body weight. The kettlebell you're throwing the weight in front of you essentially through that powerful hip thrust.

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“Think of like a snatch is sort of like doing a box jump without your feet leaving so you do this all with kettlebells.”— The snatch-as-box-jump analogy — same neuromuscular demand, no impact.

Turkish Get Up: not a strength builder, a 'grease the grooves' stability tool

~12 min

The Turkish Get Up is commonly marketed as a shoulder strength exercise. Lazoff and Paris reframe it: it does not build hypertrophy, it 'greases the machine' — it is a movement-quality and stabilization tool, specifically for the thoracic rotation, hip transition, and shoulder stability pattern that desk workers and sedentary populations lose first.

Why this matters: Programming it expecting muscle growth is wasted effort. Programming it as daily movement maintenance — low load, deliberate, 'not trying to get a pump' — is where it delivers outsized returns for general population.

Background

Most strength coaches use the TGU as a warm-up or assessment tool. Paris and Lazoff use it as a primary movement for postpartum recovery because it rebuilds coordinated core recruitment from the ground up — literally, since the movement progresses from lying to standing.

Paris frames the value in terms of aging: getting up and down off the floor is a fundamental human movement that degrades sharply after middle age, and the TGU rehearses every phase of that transition under a modest load overhead. The overhead weight creates irradiation — neurological co-contraction throughout the chain — that no crunch or plank replicates. For postpartum recovery specifically, the TGU builds the rotational core connection that pregnancy disrupts, without compression or excessive intra-abdominal pressure. Lyon, who has trained with Lazoff for many years, describes using the TGU to grease the grooves rather than build her shoulders.

The Turkish Get Up by far is I mean especially for postpartum recovery because it strengthens your core in a way that no other movement is going to strengthen if you're focused on core specific movements. I use the Turkish Get Up and this would not be a movement we would program for hypertrophy — we're not like you're gonna get jack shoulders from the Turkish Get Up but for someone that sits a lot it's greasing up the machine.

Carry as total-body fitness test: hold your bodyweight for 60 seconds

~18 min

A doctor on a podcast Melissa Paris recently heard proposed a benchmark: every person should be able to carry their own bodyweight in their hands for 60 seconds. Paris and Lazoff endorse this as a legitimate overall fitness standard because it integrates grip, wrist, shoulder, thoracic, and core function simultaneously.

Why this matters: Most fitness tests are modality-specific (bench press, mile run). This one test reveals the entire proximal-to-distal kinetic chain. Failure at any link — grip, shoulder, core — is immediately visible.

Background

Grip strength is one of the strongest predictors of all-cause mortality in epidemiological studies, and carry variations directly train the grip-to-core integration chain that grip-test machines do not.

Paris recounts her own experience: despite being an advanced kettlebell practitioner, she recently had a physical therapist in New York put her through heavy single-side carries and she discovered asymmetries in her core engagement she had not noticed because she spends more time at a computer than ever before. The carry exposed what desk posture had silently eroded. The 60-second bodyweight benchmark is also useful because it scales automatically — a 200 lb person must carry 200 lbs, making it appropriately harder for larger bodies. Lyon notes the downstream cascade when the carry fails: fingers lose grip, shoulders rotate forward, face contorts, the whole structure collapses — and that same pattern is what causes falls and injury in older adults.

Every person should be able to carry their body weight for 60 seconds in their hands. Like you should be able to take one kettlebell — you know grip strength, all of that indicator of overall fitness — you should be able to hold your own body weight whatever you are.

Also said
“If you can't hold something what's going to happen right — your fingers start to lose grip, your shoulders start to rotate forward, your face is crunching like I can't hold this thing right. But if you have strong hands you're gonna have strong shoulders — it's just kind of obvious.”— Describes the kinetic chain collapse when carry capacity is lacking — and the simple truth in the reverse direction.

Program training to fix what is actually hard in your life

~20 min

Rather than defaulting to preset volume schemes (sets, reps, XYZ), Paris proposes a self-assessment principle: identify what physical tasks are difficult or uncomfortable in your daily life and make those the input for your training design.

Why this matters: This functional frame reorients training from aesthetic or performance goals to life-quality goals — which is a more durable motivation for general population and better predicts long-term adherence.

Background

Most programming frameworks start from modality (I want to do kettlebells) or outcome (I want to get stronger). The 'what is hard for me in daily life' lens inverts this and is particularly powerful for people who are not competitive athletes but want real-world strength.

Paris uses the carry as her primary example: if carrying grocery bags upstairs leaves you winded or makes you compensate posture, that is a training target. She frames it as looking at your life and identifying 'areas of opportunity' — not framing weakness as failure, but as signal. This connects to Lyon's broader muscle-centric longevity thesis: functional strength is not about gym metrics, it is about maintaining capacity for the tasks that define quality of life. Paris also gives the example of standing up taller while carrying the Whole Foods bag as a micro-dose of that functional intention: the gym teaches a pattern, everyday life reinforces it.

That's the biggest thing I think — looking at your life and being like what's difficult for me, where are the areas for opportunity for me to put that into my training, and not always think I need to get this amount of sets and reps in XYZ. What's difficult for you physically in your life — it could be mentally — and get that into your training.

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Hard-style kettlebell system (RKC / StrongFirst methodology)

Practice

The hard-style kettlebell system taught by Lacee Lazoff and Melissa Paris, derived from RKC (Russian Kettlebell Challenge) and now associated with StrongFirst. Emphasizes ballistic movements (swing, snatch, clean) with maximum tension at peak, complete relaxation at the bottom.

Lazoff and Paris teach hard-style as their primary methodology at their facility. They distinguish it from kettlebell sport explicitly: hard-style targets strength, power, and athleticism; kettlebell sport targets endurance. Lyon has trained with both coaches for many years and uses this system herself. The key technique cues — tension-relaxation cycling, stopping at shoulder height, full-body bracing — are hallmarks of the RKC lineage founded by Pavel Tsatsouline.

We train hard style which means like we stop at the shoulders. Hard style so we stop at the shoulders so when your kettlebell stops at the shoulders your arms are straight. If you were to place yourself down on the ground you'd be in a plank position on your fists.

Also said
“It comes it's derived from martial arts training so it's a blend of tension and relaxation.”— The martial arts lineage explains the tension-relaxation principle — it is not arbitrary but rooted in combat sports conditioning.
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Single-side kettlebell carries as physical therapy tune-up

Practice

Paris's physical therapist in New York prescribed heavy single-side carries as a corrective and assessment tool. She describes it as a tune-up that revealed core engagement asymmetries she had accumulated from increased computer use.

The single-side carry is both a diagnostic and a corrective: the lateral challenge reveals which side of the core is not engaging, while the exercise itself directly trains that engagement. Paris's PT had her touch specific areas of her back mid-carry to feel whether the muscles were activating — a tactile cuing technique that builds proprioceptive awareness of core function that most gym exercises do not develop. For desk workers especially, carries can reveal and correct the silent degradation of postural stability that seated work creates.

I just went in actually for a tune-up — I have a physical therapist here in New York that I see who's amazing and he had me doing single-side heavy carries and he was like you know touch your back here — are you tight right there, can you feel your muscles working — because I sit a lot now, I have like more time than ever on a computer.

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Postpartum kettlebell training (TGU + swing as foundation)

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Lazoff's framework for postpartum women uses the Turkish Get Up and kettlebell swing as the two foundational movements before returning to impact or barbell work. The swing provides hip-extension power training with feet on the floor; the TGU rebuilds coordinated core function from the ground up.

DisclosureLacee Lazoff specializes in postpartum kettlebell training — this represents her professional service offering.

The postpartum progression Lazoff describes starts with TGU for core reconnection and shoulder stability, then introduces the swing once the hip-hinge pattern is clean and pelvic floor function is assessed. This sequence is driven by the biomechanical reality that many postpartum women want to return to running (high impact, continuous pelvic floor loading) but are not ready — the swing provides the athletic hip-extension stimulus without the vertical loading of running or jumping. Lazoff is described by Lyon as 'sensational with working with mothers and women that have had babies,' which signals a deep specialization rather than a casual observation.

Something we can touch on — Missy is sensational with working with mothers and women that have had babies. You know we talk about the pelvic floor a lot and a lot of women want to come back to running or doing high impact stuff right away. Kettlebells — you can get that explosivity and power with your feet on the floor.

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Notable quotes

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When in hard style kettlebell training you're either very tense or you're very relaxed and this is one of the harder things to learn in the ballistic style of movement so swings snatches anything power cleaning the bell and we teach this because you get that maximum muscle contraction.
Names the fundamental principle of hard-style training — tension-relaxation alternation — that distinguishes it from all other kettlebell systems and from most gym training in general.
I could take a woman that loves running and I could actually train her with the force of a jump — essentially when you're kettlebell swinging think of it almost like doing a broad jump like your feet are on the ground.
The swing-as-broad-jump framing is the most useful clinical reframe in the episode — it solves the postpartum and injury-rehab problem of 'no impact allowed but needs explosive training.'
The Turkish Get Up by far is especially for postpartum recovery because it strengthens your core in a way that no other movement is going to strengthen. I would do it to grease the grooves.
Repositions the TGU from a shoulder exercise to a postpartum core rehabilitation and daily maintenance tool — a very different clinical use case.
Every person should be able to carry their body weight for 60 seconds in their hands. You should be able to hold your own body weight whatever you are.
A crisp, scalable, practical fitness benchmark that integrates grip, shoulder, and core in a single test — more comprehensive than most standard assessments.
What's difficult for you physically in your life — it could be mentally — and get that into your training. Bring that up, use it as an area of opportunity.
A memorable frame for program design that inverts the usual modality-first approach and anchors training to real-life function.

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