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Neuroscientist Reveals Diet that Doubles Autophagy More than Fasting
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Neuroscientist Reveals Diet that Doubles Autophagy More than Fasting

Thomas DeLauer
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TL;DR

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TL;DR

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Dr. Dom D'Agostino details a 5-day modified fasting-mimicking protocol of ~500 kcal/day (low-carb, moderate protein from fish) that amplifies autophagy without total starvation and yields sustained cardiometabolic improvements.

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A 3-5 day energy deficit in therapeutic ketosis can match or exceed the autophagic benefits of a 72-hour fast while avoiding the hormonal disruptions (testosterone halved) seen with longer fasts.

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He personally uses 1-2 mg nicotine lozenges intermittently during fasting windows to suppress appetite and boost focus, emphasizing that the slow dissolution avoids addiction and he's never felt dependent.

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Caloric restriction, by giving the gut a rest, strengthens gut barrier integrity and may prevent viral reactivation (e.g., shingles, HSV) — linking fasting to infection-driven neuroinflammation and psychiatric disease.

Protocols

Concrete recipes — what, when, how much, and why

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5-Day Modified Fasting Mimicking Diet (MFMD)

WhatConsume ~500 calories per day for 3-5 days, split into two 250-calorie meals, with low-carb, moderate-protein foods (e.g., sardines, mackerel, egg yolks, broccoli) to achieve an energy deficit and therapeutic ketosis.
WhenOnce every month or every 2-3 months as a periodic reset.
Dose3-5 days; 3 days sufficient for autophagic and cardiometabolic benefits, 5 days may amplify but slight hormonal impact starts. Daily intake: ~500 kcal, ~25g protein per meal (50g total).
For whomPeople with insulin resistance, elevated cardiometabolic markers, those seeking autophagy and longevity benefits without complete food deprivation; not for those with very low BMI (19-20) or who are underweight.
WhyEnergy deficit + low insulin + elevated ketones amplifies autophagic flux, improving cardiometabolic biomarkers (triglycerides, hsCRP, fasting insulin, glucose) that persist for weeks after returning to normal diet, while avoiding the counterregulatory hormone crashes of a full fast.
CaveatsDon't extend beyond 5 days; testosterone can drop ~50% and LH/FSH disruption emerges. Avoid heavy resistance training; brisk walking, sprints, push-ups okay. Get adequate electrolytes. Monitor energy and orthostatic hypotension. Best done when workload is high but not physically demanding. If you're very lean, may not be appropriate.

Dom describes that to achieve a glucose-ketone index (low glucose, high ketones) comparable to a 72-hour fast, you need to hold an energy deficit and low insulin for 3-5 days. He uses a 500-kcal daily intake, emphasizing high nutrient density: he consumes sardines or mackerel (canned) for omega-3s which are anti-catabolic and anti-inflammatory, along with maybe broccoli. Protein is kept moderate to restrict mTOR but supply essential amino acids to spare skeletal muscle. By not completely fasting, he finds it easier psychologically and avoids the 'off the rails' rebound eating. The protocol also incorporates brisk walking 1-2 hours to further deepen the calorie deficit, potentially exceeding the deficit of pure fasting. After finishing, he returns to maintenance calories, but remains more vigilant with macronutrients for the following week to maintain benefits. He's seen through DEXA that this protocol doesn't cause muscle loss if protein is included and training is light.

Mechanism

Energy deficit + low carbohydrate → suppression of insulin and insulin signaling → lower blood glucose, elevated ketones (therapeutic ketosis). This combination amplifies autophagic flux (measured by LC3-II, p62) beyond either caloric restriction or ketogenic diet alone. The autophagy clears damaged proteins and organelles, and the metabolic shift improves insulin sensitivity and reduces systemic inflammation. Even after stopping, favorable gene expression changes from beta-hydroxybutyrate and lactate can persist for weeks.

Personal experience

Dom has been doing this method recently, after suffering muscle loss on long-term keto/fasting. He now maintains his weight and body composition year over year. He feels high energy, sleeps well, and doesn't feel deprived. He aims to do this monthly as a lifestyle habit.

I do this periodically, say once every month or two or every 3 months, that can achieve a state of therapeutic ketosis, which would correlate with markers that are part of what's called the autophagosome or autophagy.

Also said
“If you achieve and maintain therapeutic ketosis in the context of an energy deficit, then you get an amplification of the autophagic flux.”— Core mechanistic claim: energy deficit + ketosis amplifies autophagy.
“I ended up splitting it in two meals so 50 g of protein is only 200 calories right? So... and what you can do... amounts to like a can of sardines right?”— Practical example of how easily 500 kcal with high-quality protein is achieved.
“The benefits are such that you have long-term benefits in cardiometabolic biomarkers after you achieve this state, even after going back to a standard diet.”— Highlights the carryover effect that makes periodic cycling feasible.

Low-intensity exercise during modified fast

WhatInclude 1-2 hours of brisk walking or light activity (sprints, pull-ups, push-ups) during the 5-day protocol to deepen the energy deficit and stimulate autophagy, but avoid heavy resistance training.
WhenDuring the 3-5 day calorie-restricted period.
Dose1-2 hours of walking per day, or short high-intensity intervals like sprints, but no heavy deadlifts/squats.
For whomAnyone tolerating the fast, especially those wanting to offset muscle loss or enhance fat loss.
WhyExercise adds to the energy deficit beyond dietary restriction, increases catecholamines and AMPK signaling, and further promotes autophagic flux while preserving muscle with minimal mechanical load.
CaveatsAvoid heavy lifting due to compromised recovery and potential for muscle damage on very low calories. Listen to body if feeling faint.

Dom notes that even a little bit of exercise goes a long way in inducing autophagy. Walking for an hour or two could burn off the 500 calories consumed, creating a theoretical energy deficit larger than total fasting. He also does some sprints, pull-ups, push-ups, but warns against heavy deadlifts or squats when protein synthesis is low, as recovery is compromised. He previously deadlifted heavy after a 7-day fast and found strength intact but recovery suffered, and his testosterone halved. So he keeps intensity moderate. The host mentions G flux and coupling activity with intake, and Dom agrees this is intuitive and should be studied.

Personal experience

Dom says he'll go for a brisk walk or do some light calisthenics, but will not do heavy lifting. He previously tested max lifts after 7-day fast: 500 lbs x10 then 585 for reps, but the days after he felt crashed and hormones suffered.

Exercise is probably one of the biggest levers for inducing autophagy, but not everybody's going to do it. But even a little bit goes a long way...

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“I just wouldn't be doing heavy deadlifts or squats and is and having that part of it.”— Clear contraindication for heavy resistance training.
“If you do 500 calories per day and then just go for a brisk walk, you know, for an hour or two, then those calories are gone, right? And so, you can actually in theory achieve a greater energy caloric deficit by doing this and just coupling it with a little bit of exercise that would be an energy deficit above and beyond what you could get with pure fasting.”— Demonstrates how light activity can surpass the deficit of zero-calorie fasting.

Intermittent low-dose nicotine lozenge for fasting (optional, personal)

WhatUse 1-2 mg nicotine lozenges (slow dissolve) up to 2 times a day during calorie restriction to curb appetite and enhance focus, then discontinue for weeks.
WhenDuring the fasting window (3-5 days), as needed for hunger or low energy, not daily as a habit.
Dose1-2 mg per dose, max 4 mg per day, lozenge dissolved over 30-60 minutes.
For whomExperimentally, for individuals without predisposition to addiction, who tolerate low-dose nicotine and have no blood pressure concerns. Not recommended generally.
WhyNicotine releases norepinephrine, suppressing appetite and boosting energy, making calorie restriction easier without the addiction risk of rapid-delivery forms.
CaveatsNicotine can cause nausea, may raise blood pressure in some, and theoretically cause insulin resistance at high doses. Not addictive in this form for the speaker, but individual sensitivity varies. Only use OTC lozenges, not vaping or smoking.

Dom shared that during his 5-day fasts, a 1 mg lozenge curbs hunger pangs and provides a motivational buzz. He finds the slow dissolve crucial — the gradual entry avoids the dependency seen with inhaled nicotine. He took a month off without craving, confirming no addiction. He believes that the metabolic cost-benefit can favor a small amount of nicotine if it helps shed inflammatory adipose tissue, but emphasizes caution.

Mechanism

Nicotine stimulates sympathetic nervous system, increasing norepinephrine and dopamine, which suppresses appetite and raises energy expenditure via lipolysis. The slow release prevents the rapid spike that causes addiction.

Personal experience

He once took 4 mg initially and felt sick; now uses 1 mg quarters. He uses it when writing or doing desk work during fasting, and sometimes before a motorcycle ride for enjoyment, but mainly reserves it for dietary restriction periods.

I reserve that for that fasting window, that five-day fasting and I have found that... using the small doses of nicotine ideally like in a lozenge... it's a trickle in and that has an appetite suppressing effect.

Also said
“I've ran out multiple times when on vacation for 2 weeks and didn't bring it and didn't never crave nicotine, but I... use the nicotine tool during periods of fasting.”— Confirms absence of withdrawal and intentional intermittent use.
“A lozenge that dissolves over 60 minutes is not going to do that [cause addiction].”— Directly explains the addiction-prevention mechanism.

What's new

Personal practice updates, fresh positions, predictions

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Dom now uses a 5-day energy-deficit protocol (~500 kcal/day) with low-carb, moderate-protein whole foods instead of complete fasts, to achieve therapeutic ketosis and autophagy while preserving muscle and hormonal balance.

Why this matters: Contrasts with his past decade of full fasting and classic keto; he reports better muscle retention, less counterregulatory hormone disruption, and easier adherence.

Background

Traditional autophagy induction relies on 3-7 day water-only fasts, which can cause orthostatic hypotension, electrolyte issues, and dramatic drops in testosterone and LH/FSH. Dom previously lost significant lean mass during long-term keto and fasting.

Dom explains that the typical 72-hour fast achieves a glucose-ketone index (low glucose, high ketones) that correlates with autophagy markers, but going beyond 3-5 days leads to diminishing returns for body composition and endocrine disruption. He now employs a 'modified ketogenic diet' idea: consume 500 calories per day from nutrient-dense foods like sardines, mackerel, egg yolks, and broccoli, split into two 250-calorie meals. The carbohydrate restriction suppresses insulin, lowering blood glucose and raising ketones (therapeutic ketosis). He holds this state for 3-5 days. In his experience, this achieves autophagy without the intense deprivation of zero calories, and he feels higher energy and less post-fast rebound. He does this once every 2-3 months, aiming to make it monthly. He cites Valter Longo's fasting-mimicking diet but says this version is more practical with real food and lower protein to avoid mTOR activation while getting essential amino acids to spare muscle. The protocol also allows light exercise (walking, some sprints, push-ups) to further amplify autophagy and create a larger energy deficit without heavy lifting.

Personal experience

Dom shared that after 10 years of ketogenic dieting and fasting, DEXA scans showed significant muscle loss. In the last 5-6 years, since turning 50, he shifted to this modified fasting approach and his DEXA scans have remained almost identical year over year, with body fat unchanged and muscle mass varying by less than half a pound. He also noted that on his farm, his strength is sufficient for tasks that normally require two people, attributing it to vigilance with muscle maintenance.

Essentially, just putting myself into an energy deficit with a modified fasting. It could maybe be called a version of a modified ketogenic diet since ketosis is part of the equation here.

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“I was like uh my energy level is I don't feel deprived at all and the pro the protein and the fat obviously have a satiating effect and I feel like my energy level my overall energy and vitality is higher.”— Shows the subjective ease and energy on this protocol vs full fasting.
“I did a lot of ketogenic dieting and fasting for about 10 years and I saw a remarkable reduction in my lean body mass through Dexa.”— Personal evidence of muscle loss on previous methods, motivating the switch.
“For 3 days, I see no impact, and 5 days, it starts to impact a little bit. So, somewhere about 3 to 5 days, you can achieve autophagy, and and if you just look at some of the basic cardiometabolic biomarkers, it's it's amazing how fast they can improve.”— Establishes the 3-5 day sweet spot and rapid biomarker improvement.

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Dom uses 1-2 mg nicotine lozenges (slow-dissolving) during fasting to suppress hunger, enhance focus, and provide a mild energy lift, noting that this route of administration avoids addiction.

Why this matters: Nicotine, often demonized, is repurposed as a targeted nootropic for fasting windows when delivered as a slow-release lozenge; Dom shares his personal non-addictive pattern.

Background

Nicotine is known for appetite suppression and catecholamine release, but rapid delivery (cigarettes) causes addiction. Dom's prior video on nicotine vs. Ozempic sparked controversy but he clarified he does not endorse smoking.

Dom details that during his 5-day calorie restriction, he reserves low-dose nicotine (1-2 mg lozenges) for moments of craving or low energy. The lozenges dissolve over 30-60 minutes, providing a gradual trickle of nicotine that avoids the sharp spike responsible for addiction. He uses it intermittently — maybe a couple times a day during the fast, never exceeding 4 mg total, and often takes a month or more off without cravings. He acknowledges that it stimulates norepinephrine and can act as a fat burner; he also uses 1 mg before long runs for an energy boost. He stresses that the rate of entry into circulation dictates dependence: slow lozenges are much less addictive. He has tested his blood work and found no increase in blood pressure or insulin resistance, and his insulin stays at the low end of normal. However, he does not formally recommend it, only shares his n=1.

Personal experience

He ran out of lozenges for a month and felt no craving, then reordered from Amazon. He first tried 4 mg and got sick, then broke them into quarters. He now uses 1-2 mg as needed, especially when writing or doing desk work, and finds it helps motivation.

I will use the nicotine tool during periods of fasting to attenuate that mild hunger pang that I get, but at the same time I'm also stimulating, you know, it gives a little bit of a small bit of a buzz that helps me get through it, so.

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“I think the rate at which nicotine spikes in your blood will play a big role in your addiction to it and and the pattern at which you use it.”— Key mechanism differentiating addictive vs. non-addictive use.
“I ran out of it for a month. I didn't crave it. So I guess I'm not addicted to it.”— Personal evidence that slow-release lozenge use does not lead to dependence.
“I've tested that it does not raise blood pressure in me and I think there's some data to indicate that if at least if you take a substantial amount of nicotine it can cause insulin resistance. I don't know, my insulin's always like low end of normal.”— Addresses safety concerns; his biomarkers remain optimal.

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Dom argues that simply dialing down calories — even without full fasting — gives the gut a rest, reduces intestinal permeability, and may explain some mental health benefits of fasting.

Why this matters: Shifts the focus from ketones as the key to gut health toward the mechanical and biochemical rest from food processing, with implications for infection-triggered neuroinflammation.

Background

Ketogenic diets and fasting have been associated with reduced inflammation, but the exact mechanism for gut benefits was unclear.

Dom explains that eating food places mechanical, enzymatic, and metabolic stress on the gut. Caloric restriction reduces that stress, allowing the gut's barrier function to strengthen and perhaps increase mucus-producing Akkermansia. He notes that many people with herpes, shingles, or other latent infections report that fasting prevents full outbreaks. The virus often initially causes gut symptoms (diarrhea, cramps) before systemic inflammation, suggesting a permeability link. The same tight junctions in the gut are present at the blood-brain barrier, so gut leakiness can contribute to neuroinflammation. This concept ties into psychiatric disorders and even Alzheimer's, where infections like Borrelia and HSV are found in the brain. He brings up the viral hypothesis of schizophrenia and the emerging field of metabolic psychiatry, where ketosis is being studied for bipolar, depression, and schizophrenia.

Personal experience

He mentioned that when he gives his gut a break, he feels more energetic and suspects gut barrier repair. He also receives emails from people who abort shingles outbreaks by fasting and using lysine, and recounts his own cold sores being prevented with immediate fasting, lysine, vitamin C.

Yeah, I think for the average person if they dial back their calories for a period of time, it's giving their gut a rest and it's going to decrease the potential for greater intestinal permeability, right?

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“Those tight junctions are intimately sensitive to inflammatory states that are triggered by various infections, including viral infections.”— Links gut permeability to viral inflammation, explaining the gut-brain axis.
“The large majority of Alzheimer's patients where they look at the the brain, they have neuroborreliosis.”— Supports the infectious hypothesis of neurodegeneration, tying back to gut/immune health.
“I think one thing that ties into what we're talking about is that fasting and therapeutic ketosis uh is a very powerful therapy for that.”— Positions fasting/ketosis as a tool for these infection-related conditions.

Recommendations

Products, supplements, and tools mentioned in the episode

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Exogenous ketones (ketone salts or esters)

Supplement

Dom mentions that exogenous ketones can be used to elevate ketones and potentially lower blood glucose without affecting insulin, helping to attenuate fatigue during the modified fasting period.

vs alternatives

Compared to relying solely on endogenous ketosis, exogenous ketones provide an immediate metabolic boost, but he doesn't specify a particular brand or form.

Exogenous ketones because those things are a way to elevate ketones, maybe even lower glucose a little bit, and also it doesn't... if you choose the right ketones, it doesn't have any effect on insulin.

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DEXA body composition scan

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Dom strongly recommends getting a yearly DEXA scan to track muscle mass, fat distribution, and bone density, especially for those over 50 or who practice extended fasting/keto, as he lost muscle unknowingly until he started measuring.

He recounted losing significant muscle and even some bone density during his decade of keto/fasting, which only became apparent with DEXA. Now, his yearly scans show near-identical results, giving him confidence in his current protocol. He prefers DEXA over bioimpedance (InBody) for accuracy, particularly bone density assessment for women.

vs alternatives

Versus bioimpedance scales (InBody), DEXA is more precise and provides bone density data, crucial for aging populations.

Personal experience

Dom lost muscle and bone density earlier in his journey without realizing it until a DEXA scan. Now he gets scanned annually; his last three scans have been nearly identical, with less than half a pound variation in muscle mass, confirming his protocol works.

I do prefer that over like the in body to look at bone density especially for women... to do that now just so you can longitudinally look at that over time every year.

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Coconut oil (virgin, high lauric acid)

Product

Dom mentions coconut oil as a source of lauric acid, which has antimicrobial and antiviral properties; he suggests it may help mitigate viral load and was a therapy pointed out by Dr. Mary Newport for brain health.

Coconut oil has a large percentage... I think it's a 14-carbon fatty acid that's a very potent antimicrobial effect. So, one way to sort of mitigate your viral load or to have an antiviral effect is is coconut oil.

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Metabolic Health Initiative (MHI)

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Dom points listeners to the Metabolic Health Initiative and the Metabolic Link podcast as ACCME-accredited educational resources for practitioners and the public on metabolic therapies.

KetoNutrition is my information website. I don't sell anything... I would also point people to the Metabolic Health Initiative and the Metabolic Link podcast.

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Create Creatine Gummies

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DisclosureHost Thomas DeLauer's sponsored link; up to 54% off with code. Expert Dom D'Agostino had no involvement.

vs alternatives

Compared to standard creatine powders, these gummies use allulose to offset sugar's negative effects while aiding absorption, and were among the few gummies to pass third-party potency tests.

Create was one of the only ones that actually had the amount of creatine that they said they had.

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Notable quotes

Lines worth pulling out — contrarian, specific, or perfectly phrased

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You do not have to go on a restrictive zero-calorie, you know, fasting state. You simply need to achieve an energy deficit.
Reframes the entire fasting conversation; emphasizes that calorie restriction alone, not total food absence, triggers the desired state.
If you achieve and maintain therapeutic ketosis in the context of an energy deficit, then you get an amplification of the autophagic flux.
Concise mechanistic core of the whole protocol — the synergy that 'doubles autophagy more than fasting'.
I think the rate at which nicotine spikes in your blood will play a big role in your addiction to it and and the pattern at which you use it.
Important nuance that declares slow-release lozenges fundamentally different from smoking, challenging common assumptions about nicotine.
The large majority of Alzheimer's patients where they look at the the brain, they have neuroborreliosis.
Striking claim that ties Lyme bacteria to Alzheimer's, underlining the infection-neuroinflammation link he connects back to fasting benefits.
I tell you after three or four days I was like uh my energy level is I don't feel deprived at all and the protein and the fat obviously have a satiating effect and I feel like my energy level my overall energy and vitality is higher.
Personal testimony that the protocol is not miserable but actually energizing, countering the expected fatigue of calorie restriction.

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