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How to Control Your Cortisol & Overcome Burnout
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How to Control Your Cortisol & Overcome Burnout

Andrew Huberman
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TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

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TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

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Cortisol is not a stress hormone but an energy-deployment hormone that follows a 24-hour rhythm: you need a sharp spike in the morning (waking to ~90 min after) and the lowest possible levels from 4 hours before sleep through the first 2 hours of sleep. Getting this rhythm right reinforces everything else — mood, focus, immune function, sleep.

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Morning cortisol can be boosted by viewing bright light (ideally sunlight) within 30–60 min of waking, hydrating immediately, and, for non-habitual caffeine users, consuming caffeine; habitual users should delay caffeine 60–90 min post-waking to extend the morning cortisol surge and prevent afternoon crashes. Consistent morning exercise also entrains the cortisol rhythm.

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Evening cortisol must be actively lowered: dim all lights, avoid short-wavelength (blue/white) light, use red/amber bulbs or blue-blocking glasses, do exhale-emphasized breathing (physiological sigh) to rapidly engage the parasympathetic nervous system, and consume starchy carbohydrates at dinner to raise blood glucose and suppress cortisol release.

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Two distinct burnout patterns exist: Type 1 (morning anxiety, afternoon crash) requires NSDR/yoga nidra upon waking, light exposure, hydration, and delayed caffeine; Type 2 (morning fatigue, night-time wired) requires stacked evening wind-downs — melatonin-protecting light, physiological sighs, hot shower/sauna, starchy carbs, and ashwagandha/apigenin to lower cortisol. Fix the timing of interventions to match your pattern.

Protocols

Concrete recipes — what, when, how much, and why

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morning-hydration

WhatDrink 16–32 oz of water, ideally with electrolytes, immediately upon waking.
WhenFirst thing after waking, even before caffeine.
Dose16–32 oz (approx 500–1000 ml). Huberman usually adds electrolytes (sodium, magnesium, potassium).
For whomEveryone; especially those who feel sluggish despite other morning habits.
WhyEven mild dehydration impairs cognitive and physical performance. Proper hydration modestly boosts cortisol and epinephrine release via the adrenals, supporting alertness.
CaveatsNone mentioned beyond ensuring adequate fluid intake.

Huberman calls hydration the most underrated protocol in mental and physical health. Literature shows cellular and organ function decline with mild dehydration. The rise in cortisol from hydration is pulsatile and modest, not a spike, but it contributes to the overall morning energy profile. He combines hydration with the bright light protocol by drinking water while outside, stacking both tools.

Mechanism

Low blood volume/dehydration is registered by the brain and triggers a stress-like compensatory response. Adequate hydration normalizes blood volume, reducing the need for a stress-driven cortisol release, but also supports the optimal release of epinephrine and cortisol to meet morning energy demands. The adrenals are involved, but the effect is not a massive spike.

Personal experience

For me, that's 16 to 32 ounces of water with some electrolytes in it.

Of all the protocols in the realm of mental health, physical health and performance, I think the most underrated one, believe it or not, is hydration.

Also said
“Hydrate first thing in the morning. It's going to increase your levels of energy then and throughout the morning and into the afternoon.”— Emphasizes the persistent energy benefit.

caffeine-timing-strategy

WhatIf you are a habitual caffeine user, delay caffeine intake by 60–90 minutes after waking to extend the cortisol pulse and prevent an afternoon energy crash. If you are not caffeine-adapted, caffeine will substantially spike cortisol and can be used acutely for that purpose.
WhenFor habitual users: wait 60–90 min after waking. For non-habitual users: use only when needing a large cortisol/energy surge, not daily.
DoseTypical individual doses (coffee, yerba mate, etc.) — no mg specified. Huberman's personal preference is yerba mate.
For whomCaffeine-adapted individuals who crash in the afternoon; non-caffeine users who need an occasional wakefulness aid.
WhyIn caffeine-adapted individuals, caffeine does not significantly spike cortisol but prolongs the half-life of circulating cortisol. Delaying intake smooths the afternoon decline, preventing an energy crash. In non-adapted individuals, caffeine causes a true cortisol spike, making it a potent occasional tool.
CaveatsIf you love your caffeine first thing and don't crash, keep doing it but ensure you're doing other morning cortisol-boosting behaviors. Late-afternoon caffeine intake should be avoided (cutoff around 2–3 pm) to not disrupt sleep.

Huberman clarifies that the popular advice to always delay caffeine stems from the desire to avoid a sharp post-caffeine cortisol drop. He outlines two listener profiles: those who can drink immediately because they have robust morning routines (light, hydration, exercise) that lift cortisol high enough, and those who crash hard. For the latter, shifting caffeine later reduces the steepness of the cortisol decline, making energy more even. He notes thousands of people have reported this single change eliminated their afternoon slump. For occasional users, he notes caffeine is a very effective cortisol-spiking tool, but you lose that with daily use.

Mechanism

Caffeine, in non-habitual users, stimulates the HPA axis to release CRH → ACTH → cortisol. In habitual users, tolerance downregulates that pathway, so cortisol does not spike significantly. However, caffeine inhibits phosphodiesterases and blocks adenosine receptors, indirectly prolonging the action of existing cortisol by slowing its clearance and extending the cellular signals. Thus the timing of intake shapes the slope of the morning cortisol decline.

Personal experience

I tend to drink a lot of caffeine early in the day for reasons you now understand. … Most other days I delay my caffeine a bit.

If you drink your caffeine not immediately after waking but let's say an hour after waking or 90 minutes after waking, it's going to flatten out a bit the downs slope of that cortisol as you transition from late morning into the early afternoon.

Also said
“I can't tell you how many thousands of people have contacted me and said, 'Oh my goodness, I can't believe it.' Simply by pushing out my caffeine intake by 60 minutes … I've been able to not experience that crash in energy in the afternoon.”— Provides real-world social proof of the protocol.

deliberate-cold-exposure-cortisol-strategy

WhatUse deliberate cold exposure (cold showers, ice baths) occasionally (1–2 times per week) to spike cortisol. If done more than twice per week, the cortisol response habituates, but catecholamine (dopamine, norepinephrine, epinephrine) boosts persist.
WhenMorning, to contribute to the cortisol spike. Can be done after waking.
DoseCold enough to be uncomfortable; typical cold plunges of 1–5 min. Frequency: keep to ≤2 times/week for cortisol benefits; daily is fine if you want the dopamine/adrenaline effects without cortisol.
For whomThose wanting an additional morning cortisol boost without chronic elevation; also those concerned about cortisol dysregulation from frequent cold plunging.
WhyNovel or infrequent cold exposure triggers a stress response that includes cortisol release. With habituation, the cortisol piece goes away, preventing chronic cortisol elevation. The continued dopamine and norepinephrine release still provides mood and alertness benefits.
CaveatsIf you dislike cold, don't force it. The catecholamine effect never saturates, so you still benefit even without cortisol. Huberman dismisses claims that cold exposure is differentially bad for women; data shows no significant cortisol increase in regular practitioners regardless of sex.

Huberman tackles the controversy around cold exposure, metabolism, and cortisol. He states that while the perfect experiment hasn't been done, the aggregate literature shows that if you put people into uncomfortably cold water, they release cortisol; but if they do this habitually, the cortisol increase becomes non-significant. However, the long arc of dopamine release— which changes mood for hours—remains. This dual outcome allows people to use cold exposure strategically: infrequently for a cortisol and catecholamine spike, or regularly for catecholamines alone without cortisol worries. He also addresses the online narrative that cold exposure is bad for women's hormones, saying evidence doesn't support that.

If you want to use deliberate cold exposure as a way to increase cortisol, great, do that. But probably don't do it more than say one or two times per week. Otherwise, it will lose its effectiveness for that purpose.

Also said
“Deliberate cold exposure definitely wakes you up and it wakes you up very fast. And it does that because it causes the release of epinephrine and norepinephrine and then you get this long arc of dopamine release.”— Explains why people continue even without a cortisol hit.

black-licorice-for-cortisol-boost

WhatConsume a small amount of black licorice or licorice root (glycyrrhizin) to potently increase cortisol. Start with the lowest possible dose if using capsules; if eating licorice candy, be very cautious.
WhenOnly in the morning, on days when cortisol needs a significant boost and other methods are unavailable.
DoseNo specific mg given; must be approached with minimal effective dose and not used habitually.
For whomThose with severely blunted morning cortisol who have already optimized light, hydration, exercise, etc., and still lack energy. Not for general daily use.
WhyGlycyrrhizin inhibits 11β-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase (11β-HSD), the enzyme that converts active cortisol to inactive cortisone. This leads to higher circulating cortisol.
CaveatsAbsolutely contraindicated in pregnancy, breastfeeding, and hypertension (high blood pressure) due to cortisol's potent effect on blood pressure. Can cause excessive cortisol elevation if overused.

Huberman frames licorice as an emergency or occasional tool, not a staple. He references clinical advice where patients on cortisol-altering medications are told to avoid licorice, demonstrating its real potency. Because cortisol increases blood pressure, the risk profile is serious. He advises against kids using it and underscores that this is not alternative medicine fluff but a well-documented pharmacological effect.

Mechanism

11β-HSD type 2 normally oxidizes cortisol to cortisone, rendering it inactive at mineralocorticoid receptors. Glycyrrhizin inhibits 11β-HSD, allowing cortisol levels to rise and, because cortisol can then bind mineralocorticoid receptors, it also raises blood pressure. This dual effect makes it powerful and potentially dangerous in susceptible individuals.

Licorise significantly boosts your cortisol levels. And it does so by inhibiting the enzyme 11 beta hydroxy dehydrogenase or 11 beta HSD for short.

Also said
“If you suffer from hypertension or high blood pressure or if you are pregnant or breastfeeding, you absolutely do not want to eat black licorice.”— Critical safety warning.

evening-starchy-carbohydrates

WhatInclude starchy carbohydrates (rice, potatoes, yams, pasta, oats) in your last meal of the day — ideally dinner, finishing 2–3 hours before bed — to help sustain low cortisol levels.
WhenAt the final meal, typically dinner (e.g., 6:30–8:30 pm for Huberman).
DoseNo specific grams; a moderate serving within your typical caloric plan.
For whomAnyone struggling with evening anxiety or difficulty falling asleep; those on low-carb diets who notice sleep disruption.
WhyElevated blood glucose signals the hypothalamus that energy is abundant, reducing the need for cortisol-driven glucose mobilization. This reciprocal relationship helps keep cortisol low in the critical pre-sleep window.
CaveatsIf you have insulin resistance or metabolic syndrome, work with a doctor to balance carbohydrate intake. Eating too close to sleep (within 2 hours) can impair growth hormone release and sleep quality; strike a balance. For those on established low-carb diets, cortisol normalizes after 3 weeks, so only adjust if sleep remains poor after that adaptation.

Huberman notes that 'comfort foods' are often carbohydrate-rich precisely because they increase blood glucose and suppress cortisol. He references studies showing that switching to a low-carb diet (<30% calories from carbs) transiently increases cortisol across the 24-h cycle for about 3 weeks, after which it normalizes. He advises people to evaluate their sleep quality on low-carb diets and, if sleep is poor, to experiment with reintroducing starches at dinner. He himself eats moderate-to-low carbs during the day and purposefully eats starches at his last meal around 7–7:30 pm.

Mechanism

The PVN neurons that release CRH are paraventricular; they can sense blood glucose levels (likely via adjacent glial cells and insulin-dependent glucose-sensing neurons). When postprandial glucose is elevated, the PVN reduces CRH output, thereby lowering ACTH and adrenal cortisol synthesis. Starchy carbs provide a sustained glucose rise that outlasts the meal, creating a window of low cortisol conducive to sleep onset.

Personal experience

I tend to eat pretty moderate to low carb throughout the day. And then in the evening for my last meal … I make sure that I have some starches. I have some rice or I have some potatoes or yams …

When your blood glucose levels are elevated, your cortisol levels tend to stay low as well because it's not as readily released.

Also said
“There's a reason why people find that carbohydrates kind of calm them down, that they're comfort foods, and that they relax them.”— Links a common observation to the cortisol mechanism.

physiological-sigh-for-stress-reduction

WhatPerform a double-inhale through the nose followed by a long, complete exhale through the mouth. Repeat for 1–3 breaths to rapidly calm acute stress, or for 3–5 minutes as an evening practice to lower cortisol.
WhenIn moments of acute stress (especially in the evening/night) or as a dedicated 3–5 min session after a late workout or before bed.
Dose1–3 sighs for immediate calm; 3–5 minutes of cyclical physiological sighing for deeper autonomic reset.
For whomEveryone; crucial for those with Type 2 burnout, late-day exercisers, or anyone struggling to transition from high alertness to sleep.
WhyThe double inhale maximally inflates the alveoli, and the long exhale offloads CO2 and engages the diaphragm. This shifts the autonomic nervous system from sympathetic (stress) to parasympathetic (calm) via respiratory sinus arrhythmia.
CaveatsNone; can be done anywhere. If you are very stressed, you may need to consciously remind yourself to do it.

Huberman cites his own clinical trial with David Spiegel at Stanford where participants practiced this breathing for 5 minutes daily. Results showed reduced heart rate, increased heart rate variability (a marker of parasympathetic activation), improved mood, and better sleep — benefits that extended beyond the practice window. He emphasizes that this is the fastest known way to calm down in real time, superior to meditation or massage in moments when those aren't feasible. The process is demonstrated verbally on the podcast.

Mechanism

The double inhale via the nose expands collapsed alveolar sacs, increasing surface area for gas exchange. The prolonged, unforced exhale stimulates the vagus nerve through diaphragmatic movement and slows the heart via respiratory sinus arrhythmia. CO2 offloading reduces chemoreceptor-driven sympathetic outflow, while the rhythmic breathing entrains the brainstem respiratory centers into a parasympathetic-dominant pattern.

The fastest way to calm down in real time is going to be the so-called physiological sigh which is just a big deep inhale through your nose then a second sharp inhale to try and maximally inflate your lungs and then a long exhale until your lungs are empty.

Also said
“I ran a clinical trial with my colleague David Spiegel at Stanford … what we found is it not only calms them in those five minutes … it improves sleep, it improves mood at times outside of that five minutes.”— Provides experimental backing and broad benefit claim.

nsdr-yoga-nidra-for-morning-anxiety-burnout

WhatUpon waking (or when waking too early with anxiety), do a 10–30 minute Non-Sleep Deep Rest (NSDR) / yoga nidra session to deliberately activate the parasympathetic nervous system and reduce the steep morning cortisol rise.
WhenFirst thing upon waking, especially if you wake up feeling anxious or hours before intended. Can be done in bed.
Dose10–30 minutes. Studies mentioned used as little as 11 minutes to significantly reduce cortisol.
For whomType 1 burnout (morning anxiety, early waking, afternoon crash). Also useful for anyone with general morning anxiety.
WhyIn Type 1 burnout, cortisol is rising too fast too early. NSDR/yoga nidra uses body scans and long exhale breathing to slow heart rate and engage relaxation, blunting the excess cortisol slope and allowing a more gradual, appropriately timed morning peak.
CaveatsIf you're at high risk of oversleeping, set an alarm. It's okay if you fall back asleep during NSDR. The practice is intended to keep you awake but deeply relaxed, but sleep is acceptable.

Huberman explains that the goal in Type 1 burnout is to shift the acrophase (peak) later, not eliminate it. NSDR sits between the fast cortisol climb and the desired wake-up time, acting as a dampener. He provides free NSDR scripts of 10, 20, and 30 minutes (some read by him, others by Kelly Boys) and emphasizes that the practice teaches self-directed relaxation, which is a skill that transfers to other times of day.

Mechanism

NSDR mimics aspects of sleep without the loss of consciousness. Guided body scans and exhale-focused breathing activate the prefrontal and insular cortices' top-down control over the amygdala and brainstem, reducing sympathetic tone. The prolonged relaxation suppresses CRH release from the PVN, lowering ACTH and cortisol production. This resets the gain on the HPA axis so that the subsequent morning light/hydration protocols can produce a healthier cortisol spike instead of an exaggerated one.

There are great data now showing that NSDR and yoga nidra done regularly for durations of anywhere from 10 minutes … to 30 minutes can significantly reduce cortisol levels.

Also said
“I highly recommend that you use a practice I've talked about before in this podcast, which is non-sleep deep rest, aka yoga nidra.”— Directly prescribes it for burnout.

ashwagandha-for-evening-cortisol-reduction

WhatTake 300–600 mg of ashwagandha in the evening or after dinner to significantly reduce cortisol levels and support sleep.
WhenAfter dinner, any time in the evening. Avoid morning ingestion of doses ≥300 mg.
Dose300–600 mg evening dose. Start at 300 mg to find minimal effective dose.
For whomThose struggling to lower evening cortisol despite behavioral tools; those with Type 2 burnout; generally supportive for sleep.
WhyAshwagandha has been shown to reduce cortisol by 11–29%. Taken in the evening, it augments the natural decline in cortisol needed for sleep.
CaveatsDo not take high-dose ashwagandha in the morning (>50–100 mg) as it will blunt the needed morning cortisol spike. Low doses (e.g., under 100 mg) found in multi-ingredient formulas are fine in the AM. Behavioral tools should be in place first. Not recommended for individuals under 18 without medical guidance.

Huberman cautions that ashwagandha is only an adjunct to the behavioral evening protocols. It has a meaningful dose-dependent effect on cortisol, but it cannot override bright light exposure or high stress. He references the literature's 11–29% reduction range and explains that timing matters because the goal is to reinforce, not disrupt, the circadian rhythm. He personally takes 300 mg in the evening.

Mechanism

Ashwagandha's withanolides modulate the HPA axis, likely by reducing CRH and ACTH release and by acting as a GABA-mimetic, thereby lowering the stress-induced drive on cortisol synthesis. The effect is gradual and sustained, fitting the evening cortisol nadir window.

Personal experience

I do take ashwagandha at a dosage of 300 milligrams. I take it of course in the evening and at night.

If you're going to experiment with ashwagandha … you would explore lower dosages somewhere in the neighborhood of 300 milligrams at least to start … and that you restrict your intake … to the late afternoon and evening and nighttime hours to keep your cortisol levels low.

Also said
“Ashwagandha can be effective in reducing cortisol levels by anywhere from about 11% to 29%.”— Quantifies the expected reduction for informed use.

apigenin-and-magnesium-threonate-for-sleep-cortisol

WhatTake 50 mg apigenin and magnesium threonate (or bisglycinate) 30–60 minutes before bed to reduce cortisol and improve sleep. Optionally add theanine, forming the 'Huberman Lab sleep stack'.
When30–60 minutes before intended sleep time, every night.
DoseApigenin: 50 mg. Magnesium threonate: dose not specified in this episode (typically 145 mg elemental magnesium). Theanine: dose not specified here (typically 100–200 mg).
For whomThose seeking to optimize sleep, particularly if evening cortisol is still elevated after behavioral protocols. Huberman's daily use for 8+ years.
WhyApigenin acts on GABA and chloride channels to mildly lower cortisol and promote sleep. Magnesium threonate indirectly reduces cortisol by supporting parasympathetic tone and sleep architecture. Together they help secure the low-cortisol window during the first phase of sleep.
CaveatsNot explicitly mentioned for children. Supplement quality varies; source from reputable manufacturers. Magnesium threonate is preferred over bisglycinate for sleep but can be interchanged.

Huberman describes this stack as his long-standing nightly routine. He notes that while apigenin's cortisol-lowering effect is smaller than ashwagandha's, it synergizes with the light-dimming and breathing practices. The stack is not a soporific but a facilitator of the natural cortisol decline. He reinforces that supplementation should come after behavior is optimized.

Mechanism

Apigenin, a flavonoid found in chamomile, binds to benzodiazepine sites on GABA-A receptors and inhibits certain chloride channels, producing anxiolysis and mild cortisol suppression. Magnesium threonate crosses the blood-brain barrier, raising brain magnesium, which antagonizes NMDA receptors and supports GABAergic tone, indirectly lowering HPA axis drive. Theanine increases alpha brain waves and may blunt excitatory signaling, further promoting a low-arousal state.

Personal experience

I take 50 milligrams of apagenine in capsule form every night before I go to sleep. I've been doing that for well over eight years now.

Appenine because it works on both the GABA pathway and some chloride channel pathways has been shown to decrease cortisol.

Also said
“I've talked about apagenine before in the context of the so-called hubberman lab sleep stack which is a stack of apagenine magnesium 3 and8 … and theanine.”— Names the full stack and confirms personal use.

What's new

Personal practice updates, fresh positions, predictions

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cortisol-is-an-energy-hormone-not-a-stress-hormone

early in episode, after intro

Huberman reframes cortisol away from the public narrative of 'stress hormone' to its core function: it deploys glucose and directs energy to tissues, especially the brain, during any demand — waking up, focusing, exercise — not just stressors.

Why this matters: This redefinition upends common cortisol anxiety and forms the basis of every timing-based protocol in the episode. It pushes listeners to stop fearing cortisol and instead manage its rhythm.

Background

Mainstream wellness often treats cortisol as something to be lowered universally. Huberman points out that cortisol is a corticosteroid, lipophilic, crosses the blood-brain barrier, and has receptors in the hippocampus, making it central to cognition and memory.

Huberman builds the case that cortisol's release from the adrenals is slow (about 10 minutes after a stressor) and long-lasting, which explains why we stay stressed after an event is over. The cortisol awakening response (CAR) is a peak that normally occurs in the last hours of sleep and the first hour after waking; it's the single most important energy surge of the day. He explains that cortisol releases glucose into the blood mainly from liver and muscle glycogen, and because of its lipophilic nature, it readily enters the brain, particularly the hippocampus. This energy-deployment role is why cortisol is needed not just for emergencies but for any cognitive or physical effort. The reframe leads directly to the conclusion that we should spike cortisol early and let it fall low at night — a complete inversion of the 'keep cortisol low' mantra.

Cortisol is not a stress hormone per se. Cortisol should be thought of as a hormone that causes the deployment of energy into the body and helps direct that energy to particular tissues, especially your brain, in order to deal with, yes, stressors, but all sorts of other things that demand your energy.

Also said
“You need cortisol released in order to get glucose, blood sugar into the bloodstream.”— Distills the mechanism to a single sentence.
“One of my biggest wishes for today is that you and hopefully the rest of the world will eventually come to adopt the understanding that cortisol is not a stress hormone.”— Emphasizes the urgency of the reframe as a core mission of the episode.

two-distinct-burnout-phenotypes-with-opposite-cortisol-patterns

last quarter of episode, burnout section

Burnout is not monolithic; it presents as Type 1 (waking with high anxiety/stress, crashing in afternoon) vs Type 2 (morning fatigue/brain fog, wired at night). Each requires different timing of cortisol interventions to correct the cortisol slope.

Why this matters: This replaces the vague 'burnout' label with actionable diagnostics based on the cortisol rhythm, giving listeners a clear decision tree for which protocols to apply and when.

Background

Most generic burnout advice treats everyone the same. Huberman draws on endocrine literature on the 24-h cortisol profile in chronic stress to show that the acrophase (peak) and nadir (trough) shift differently in these two patterns.

Huberman characterizes Type 1 burnout: cortisol rises too fast before waking, causing early-morning anxiety and truncated sleep; then there's a crash in the afternoon. The fix is to blunt that pre-waking spike and shift the peak later. He prescribes NSDR/yoga nidra upon waking (or when waking too early) to engage the parasympathetic system, hydration, bright light to anchor the acrophase at the correct clock time, and delayed caffeine to make the cortisol drop more gradual. Type 2 burnout: cortisol is blunted in the morning (can't get going) and fails to drop at night (mind racing, can't sleep). The fix is to aggressively suppress evening cortisol so the morning spike can be restored. That means an evening routine: avoid bright/blue light, use red/amber lighting, take a 5-min physiological sigh session, perhaps hot shower/sauna, and consume starchy carbs at the last meal. He notes that for Type 2, ashwagandha (300–600 mg) and apigenin in the evening can augment the behavioral tools.

There really two patterns of burnout. … The first pattern of burnout is super stressed in the morning, exhausted in the afternoon, evening, and at night. Second pattern of burnout, stressed at night, exhausted in the morning.

Also said
“For the first pattern of burnout… you need to do something to try and bring down or to reduce the angle on that rising cortisol first thing in the morning… I highly recommend that you use a practice I've talked about before in this podcast, which is non-sleep deep rest, aka yoga nidra.”— Concrete tool for Type 1.
“If you are waking up tired, dragging through the morning… and then come nighttime your levels of energy and certain mental ruminations… are just really high — if this is you, you really need to start thinking about the 6 hours before you would like to fall asleep.”— Actionable anchor for Type 2 evening prep.

Recommendations

Products, supplements, and tools mentioned in the episode

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10,000 lux artificial light panel

Tool

A portable light source for mornings when sunlight is unavailable; used to trigger the cortisol spike via SCN activation.

Huberman recommends this as an alternative for early risers in darkness, those in latitudes with low winter light, or when travel prevents outdoor sun exposure. Cost is approximately $100. It must be used within the first hour after waking for the cortisol effect.

vs alternatives

Standard indoor artificial lights (overhead or phone) are insufficient; a 10,000 lux light is necessary to approximate the retinal signal of daylight.

If you don't have access to sunlight for whatever reason … you could use a 10,000 lux artificial light. These are available online for usually about $100 or so.

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Apigenin

Supplement

Chamomile-derived compound used at 50 mg before bed as part of a sleep stack to mildly reduce cortisol and support GABA pathways.

Huberman has taken it nightly for over 8 years. He sometimes combines it with magnesium threonate and theanine. The effect on cortisol is milder than ashwagandha but synergistic with other evening protocols.

Personal experience

I take 50 milligrams of apagenine in capsule form every night before I go to sleep. I've been doing that for well over eight years now.

Appenine because it works on both the GABA pathway and some chloride channel pathways has been shown to decrease cortisol.

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Magnesium threonate (or bisglycinate)

Supplement

Part of the Huberman Lab sleep stack; magnesium threonate is taken before bed to indirectly aid sleep and potentially lower cortisol. Bisglycinate is an acceptable substitute.

While no specific dose is given in this episode, Huberman notes that magnesium threonate is 'better for a variety of reasons' and suggests its cortisol-lowering effect is indirect via improved sleep and parasympathetic activation. He says it can be interchanged with magnesium bisglycinate.

Personal experience

It's actually in the sleep stack that I've taken for years … apagenine magnesium 3 and8 which by the way is interchangeable with bislycinate for sleep but 38 is going to be better for a variety of reasons.

There's evidence that mag 3 and8 can indirectly activate pathways that might further help suppress cortisol.

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Personal experience

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Personal experience

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Element electrolyte drink mix

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Element provides sodium, magnesium, and potassium without sugar. Proper hydration and electrolytes are critical for neuronal and cellular function. Limited-edition flavors available.

DisclosureToday's episode sponsor. Huberman drinks Element first thing in the morning and during exercise, especially on hot days.

Huberman discusses the importance of electrolytes for neuron function and hydration. He dissolves one packet in 16–32 oz water upon waking and also uses it during physical exercise. He praises the new lemonade flavor. A free sample pack is offered with purchase.

Personal experience

To make sure that I'm getting proper amounts of hydration and electrolytes, I dissolve one packet of element in about 16 to 32 ounces of water when I first wake up in the morning.

Element is an electrolyte drink that has everything you need and nothing you don't. That means the electrolytes, sodium, magnesium, and potassium in the correct amounts, but no sugar.

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ROA windown glasses (blue/short-wavelength blockers)

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Glasses designed for evening use to block the wavelengths that stimulate melanopsin cells, thus preventing cortisol spikes and melatonin suppression from artificial light.

DisclosureHuberman collaborated with ROA to develop these glasses, which filter all short-wavelength light, not just blue.

Huberman explains that these glasses are not typical blue-blockers; they remove the entire range of short-wavelength light that can trigger cortisol increases. They are especially useful when you cannot dim the lights in your environment (e.g., hotel, gym, restaurant). He notes that they can reduce contrast perception, so safety must be prioritized during activities like walking.

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Unlike standard blue-blockers that only filter the ~450–495 nm range, these cut out all short wavelengths that impact melanopsin, making them more effective for cortisol/melatonin control.

Personal experience

As some of you probably know I worked in collaboration with ROA glasses to develop what we call the windown glasses. They're not just blue blockers.

They're not just blue blockers. They don't just cut out the blue wavelengths of the visual spectrum. They cut out all the short wavelength light that can stimulate the cells that can increase cortisol.

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Notable quotes

Lines worth pulling out — contrarian, specific, or perfectly phrased

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You want your cortisol high early in the day, shortly after waking, and you want your cortisol low in the hours right before sleep and in the first hours of sleep. If you remember nothing else from this episode, please remember that.
The single most important operational principle of the entire episode.
Cortisol is not a stress hormone per se. Cortisol should be thought of as a hormone that causes the deployment of energy into the body and helps direct that energy to particular tissues, especially your brain.
Complete reframe that underpins every protocol and changes how the listener relates to cortisol.
The higher that first peak in cortisol is early in the day, the better you're setting yourself up for low levels of cortisol later in the evening and at night, which will allow you to fall asleep easily, to stay asleep easily.
Links the morning spike directly to sleep quality, which is counterintuitive for many.
If you were to eat a grapefruit, you're going to extend the life of cortisol in your bloodstream by anywhere from 25 to 50%.
A highly specific and surprising food-based tool quantified in precise percentages.
The fastest way to calm down in real time is going to be the so-called physiological sigh which is just a big deep inhale through your nose then a second sharp inhale to try and maximally inflate your lungs and then a long exhale until your lungs are empty.
Synthesizes the go-to real-time stress-intervention tool with exact mechanics.
There really two patterns of burnout. … The first pattern of burnout is super stressed in the morning, exhausted in the afternoon, evening, and at night. Second pattern of burnout, stressed at night, exhausted in the morning.
Clinically practical taxonomy that determines the entire burnout recovery strategy.

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