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How AI and TikTok Are Breaking the Music Industry - Rick Beato
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How AI and TikTok Are Breaking the Music Industry - Rick Beato

Chris Williamson
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TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

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TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

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Pop music is now largely producer-driven, with artists like Sabrina Carpenter often just singing over pre-written tracks from teams of writers, while Nashville operates like a 'Chinese sweat shop' of song production.

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TikTok virality has replaced traditional radio promotion as the make-or-break factor for hits, forcing artists to craft songs with deliberately viral hooks.

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AI-generated music is already being stealth-tested on Spotify with fake artists like 'Velvet Sundown' amassing 600k followers in a week, with no real people coming forward.

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Rick Beato, a 63-year-old producer and YouTuber, now uses AI tools like 11 Labs for voice cloning and Gemini for title generation, while advising musicians to build a diversified income 'recipe' to survive.

Protocols

Concrete recipes — what, when, how much, and why

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Build a multi-revenue recipe as a musician

WhatDiversify income beyond streaming and record sales by combining touring, merchandise, online courses, VIP meet-and-greets, gear endorsements, and other entrepreneurial streams.
WhenAs soon as you have any audience; continuously develop multiple channels.
DoseOngoing effort; the specific mix depends on your strengths and audience.
For whomAny professional or aspiring musician who wants to make a full-time living.
WhyStreaming royalties alone are insufficient for most artists; live performance is now the most reliable income, but supplementing with merch, lessons, and branded products creates a stable living.
CaveatsRequires significant business acumen and time away from pure music creation; success depends on building a loyal fanbase first.

Rick emphasizes that the old model of selling millions of CDs is gone, and even million-stream songs yield relatively small payouts. He points to his friend Tosen Abasi (Animals as Leaders) who has a guitar company, plugin sales, and several income pillars, and Polifia's Tim Henson with a signature Yamaha strap and Neural DSP model. He also mentions VIP meet-and-greets before shows and group lessons as profitable add-ons. The key is to treat your career like a small business, constantly testing and adding revenue streams. He frames this not as optional but mandatory: 'You have to figure out what your recipe is for making a living.' Even a 63-year-old like himself learned to navigate this new landscape, so younger artists have no excuse.

Personal experience

Rick shares that many of his interviewees are 'heritage' artists who made money in the old system, but his younger friends all survive by combining these various streams. He says he himself had to figure out YouTube and modern promotion, implying the adaptability applies to everyone.

The people that do well nowadays are people that don't just write songs and go out and tour with their band. They have to figure out what their recipe is for making a living and it takes a lot of work to do that.

Also said
“Everybody that I interview are people that are pro musicians that… they've all got their own recipe of all the different income streams, whether it's some people have the money from Spotify, they have a YouTube channel, they have a pedal that they that's their thing.”— Lists concrete examples of diversified income.
“When people complain to me, younger musicians, about stuff, I'm like, 'Hey, I'm 63 and I figured out how to do this stuff.' Come on.”— Motivational pushback against learned helplessness.

Use 11 Labs AI voice cloning for content production

WhatTrain a custom voice model in 11 Labs using your own recordings, then use it to generate speech for B-roll, punch-ins, or listening back to your written ideas.
WhenWhen you need to add a spare line to a video without access to your usual microphone, or want to hear audio versions of your notes.
DoseOnce trained, use as needed; verification process takes a few seconds per session.
For whomContent creators, podcasters, YouTubers, or anyone who produces spoken content regularly.
WhyIt saves time and allows you to maintain vocal consistency across different recording setups; also enables you to 'listen back' to your own ideas in a different way to spark creativity.
CaveatsThe generated voice may not perfectly capture your natural cadence and registers; it works best when trained on consistent audio (close mic vs. distant mic profiles needed separately). Also, ensure voice verification to avoid impersonation issues.

Rick explains that he trained two separate voice profiles — one for his shotgun condenser mic (4 feet away) and one for his SM7B close mic — because the AI initially gave him a close-mic voice for a video that used the distant mic, ruining the blend. He has used it to secretly replace lines in B-roll and reports that no one noticed. He also uses it non-publicly: this morning he had some written ideas he wanted to review, so he asked his assistant to feed them into 11 Labs so he could listen to them read aloud. He notes the voice verification step is smart: after training, you must read a paragraph in real-time to prove it's your voice, preventing theft.

Personal experience

He says, 'I have used 11 Labs as an experiment where I'll go to some B-roll and I'll put 11 Labs line in there. See if anyone notices. No one ever notices. I've done it a few times.' He also described the assistant fetching him audio to listen to instead of reading, demonstrating practical integration.

I have used 11 Labs as an experiment where I'll go to some B-roll and I'll put 11 Labs line in there. See if no one if anyone notices. No one ever notices.

Also said
“I talk to 11 Labs and they're going to do a two different voice profiles for me. One with a close mic and one with a distant mic.”— Shows the nuance needed to make the tool work well in different recording scenarios.

Leverage AI for audio mastering and mixing style emulation

WhatUse AI tools to master your music automatically or experiment with mixing in the style of famous engineers like Serban Ghenea or Andy Wallace.
WhenDuring the post-production phase of recording; as an alternative to hiring a professional mastering engineer or for quick iterations.
DoseOne-time processing per track; 15 seconds to generate a mix style variation.
For whomIndependent musicians and producers who can't afford top-tier mastering engineers.
WhyAI can handle mastering's more formulaic tasks effectively, and stylized mixing could give artists instant access to high-level sonic references without the cost.
CaveatsMixing involves subjective taste; AI emulation may lack the human nuance that makes a great mix. This is for experimentation, not a full replacement for professional engineers on important releases.

Rick suggested that mastering is an area where AI can genuinely add value because it's more technical and less creative than mixing. He went further: if you could prompt an AI to mix your song like Chris Lord-Alge or Brendan O'Brien, you could get a useful starting point in seconds. He acknowledges mixing has 'taste' but sees this as a tool for exploration rather than a threat.

To me that seems like a great use of AI is to learn how to master songs, right? I think mixing yes mixing there's taste… but I sure love to be able to say, 'Hey, could you mix it in the style of this guy' and have instantly your thing or in 15 seconds have a completely different take of your song mixed by a different mixer.

What's new

Personal practice updates, fresh positions, predictions

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Pop songs are producer-driven, not artist-written

Most pop hits are created by professional songwriting teams and producers, with the artist often only contributing small lyrical changes or just performing the vocal.

Why this matters: Reveals the gap between audience perception (that the singer is the primary creative) and the reality of commercial pop music.

Background

Historically, rock bands wrote their own songs, and pop stars might have one co-writer. Now, songs can have 15+ writers, and the artist's role is often limited to singing and promoting.

Rick explains that in today's pop and country music, tracks are often built first by producers ("track guys") who program drums, guitars, and other instruments. They bring near-complete backing tracks to writing sessions where multiple songwriters from different publishing companies contribute lines, melodies, and lyrics. The artist may come in at the end to sing, sometimes with zero involvement in the writing. He contrasts this with the 1980s when even artists who worked with co-writers had a more hands-on role. The shift towards producer-driven music means the producer's sonic signature often matters more than the artist's creative voice, leading to a homogenized sound across radio. He gives the example of Kelly Clarkson's 'Since U Been Gone', which was entirely written and produced by Max Martin and Dr. Luke before Clarkson sang it.

Personal experience

Rick spent three months in 2014 writing songs in Nashville as a 'track guy'. He describes entering a room with two other writers, playing five pre-made tracks from his laptop, and then watching everyone open their own laptops to pull lines from other sessions, requiring more people to be added to the writer credits. This process was so mechanical that he compares Nashville to a 'Chinese sweat shop of music production' where writers crank out five songs a week.

Most pop songwriters, not all, but most, have very little to do with their songs other than choosing them.

Also said
“The thing now about pop music is that you have to be your own promotion department basically to be really successful.”— Shows how the artist's role has shifted from creator to promoter, amplifying the disconnect between music and marketing.
“I don't think people and I certainly didn't I don't think people understand just how much of a music factory Nashville is. It is a Chinese sweat shop of music production.”— Direct personal description of the assembly-line nature of modern songwriting.

TikTok virality defines hit songs, not radio promotion

A song needs a 'TikTokable' moment to become a hit; traditional label-driven promotion and radio campaigns are no longer the primary gatekeepers.

Why this matters: Marks a fundamental shift in how the music industry discovers and amplifies talent, with algorithmic platforms completely replacing human curation.

Background

Previously, a label would spend $500,000 on promotion, using independent promoters to get songs on key radio stations. Now, even a record with no momentum can explode if a short clip goes viral on TikTok.

Rick observes that the old system of record labels building a career through radio is dead. He describes the chain: a song has to have a viral 'moment' (like the memes around Bring Me the Horizon's 'Can You Feel My Heart' or Fleetwood Mac's 'Dreams' with the Ocean Spray skateboarder) to break through. This two-way dynamic means artists now intentionally design songs with short, high-impact sections suitable for TikTok clips. He cites the song 'Headlock' by Imogen Heap (released 2005), which resurfaced in 2024 after multiple anime edits used different parts of the song, causing a massive spike. He's actively studying apps like ChartMetrics to reverse-engineer what makes a song TikTok-viral, concluding that the formula is still partly unpredictable but heavily data-driven.

Personal experience

He recounts using ChartMetrics to track his daughter Leila's discovery of 'Headlock': she recognized only the 2-minute-47-second bridge where it speeds up, showing that a single segment can reignite a song. This led him to investigate how multiple spikes over six months built the new popularity.

The days of the record labels creating your career are pretty much over.

Also said
“You can have the greatest record in the world, the most different sounding record, revolutionary new trend in music, and if you don't have those tick-tockable moments… it doesn't.”— Emphasizes that even revolutionary music is powerless without platform virality.
“I'm trying to figure that out right now. So I don't I'm not sure yet. I'm not sure what makes people want to use things.”— Admits even a decades-long industry veteran is still studying TikTok's unpredictable dynamics.

AI-generated music is being stealth-tested on Spotify

Spotify is already pushing AI-generated tracks and entire fake artists like 'Velvet Sundown', which gained 600,000 followers in a week with no real people claiming ownership.

Why this matters: Direct evidence that major streaming platforms are integrating AI music, raising urgent questions about artist compensation and the future of human-made music.

Background

In 2023, Rick testified at a Senate hearing on AI, arguing that fully generative AI music should not be copyrightable to remove the financial incentive to replace human artists. Since then, AI music has advanced from novelty deepfakes to Spotify playlists.

Rick details a current case: a band called Velvet Sundown appeared on Spotify with a verified checkmark, AI-looking images, and a full album. Despite zero history or public identity, it skyrocketed to over 600,000 followers. A second album is already announced. The music doesn't sound good to him, but the quiet integration suggests Spotify is testing audience tolerance. He fears the scenario where labels and platforms bypass artists entirely: if Spotify owns both distribution and AI artist creation, it can keep all revenue. The legal gray area is huge — if someone prompts an AI song, then re-records it with human musicians, who holds any copyright? He predicts eventual market segmentation: some listeners won't care if music is AI, much like graphic design was disrupted by Midjourney.

Personal experience

He tells the Senate story: as one of 19 people in a closed-door AI hearing (alongside Elon Musk, Bill Gates, and others in earlier sessions), he was the music-industry voice insisting on no copyright for pure AI output. He also reveals he now uses AI daily for video titles and voice cloning, showing the technology is already embedded in his workflow.

I don't think that anything that's completely fully generative AI should be able to be copyrighted.

Also said
“There will be people that say, 'You know what? I like Michael Jackson AI better than Michael Jackson.' That's going to happen.”— Foresees a future where AI clones of legendary artists outperform the originals in popularity.
“If Spotify can put out AI fake artists and people stream it and they're perfectly okay with it and then not pay artists that are getting streamed as well… then it just increases the incentive for them to fill their playlist with fake artists.”— Articulates the dangerous economic spiral that could squeeze out human musicians.

Country music has been 'popified' and now dominates the charts

Country music adopted pop and rock production techniques, leading to massive crossover success and attracting former rock fans who no longer connect with mainstream rock.

Why this matters: Explains the recent explosion of country in the Top 40 and why even rock artists (Post Malone, Jelly Roll) are pivoting to country.

Background

In the 2010s, rock music lost its connection to the blues, which Rick identifies as the core ingredient that once made it appealing. At the same time, country began using the same drum loops, synth beds, and polished production as pop.

Rick notes that many country producers are former rock/metal engineers. Joey Moi, who engineered Nickelback, moved to Nashville and became one of its biggest hitmakers. Bands like Jelly Roll's crew were originally in death metal acts. This influx brought rock energy and production values to country, resulting in a sound that feels familiar to rock listeners. He contrasts this with the modern rock scene, which suffers from sonic sameness due to digital amp modelers and sample replacement, making it less emotionally dynamic. Country's live scene and authentic storytelling (even when factory-produced) filled the void. He points to Morgan Wallen's songs as examples of music that sounds more like pop than classic country.

Personal experience

He recounts hearing a live band on Broadway playing Dan + Shay's 'Tequila' for the first time and being so moved by the crowd reaction that he decided to move to America. He also personally knows many of the session players in Nashville and has witnessed the transition from Bro Country to the current pop-country hybrid.

Once rock music became disconnected from the blues, it started losing its appeal to people. And then people moved to listening to country music.

Also said
“The production style has changed and it sounds like pop music and so it connects with more people because it doesn't sound like country music anymore.”— Directly ties the popification of country to its mass appeal.
“I think a lot of the bands, the Pearl Jam, Sound Gardens, the bands of the '90s had a lot of blues elements in them, but a lot of new metal does not.”— Provides historical context for why rock lost its audience.

Musical homogenization from digital modeling and samples

The widespread use of digital amp simulators (Kemper, Axe-FX, Helix) and sample replacement has created a sonic sameness across rock and metal records.

Why this matters: Connects the dots between technology adoption and the death of distinct, organic guitar tones that defined earlier eras.

Background

In the past, producers captured unique sounds by experimenting with mic placements, room acoustics, and analog gear, leading to signature tones. Now, everyone uses the same algorithms, making records sound interchangeable.

Rick argues that because most guitarists now use digital modeling units, they are painting from the same sonic palette. This erases the happy accidents that came from physical amps and mics — like a mic falling to the floor and creating a new tone. Combined with drum samples and autotune, the result is a smooth but lifeless sound. He contrasts this with records mixed by legendary engineers like Andy Wallace and Brendan O'Brien in the '90s and early 2000s, which still sound massive and punchy because of the human touch and room dynamics. The loss of dedicated professional producers and mixers in rock music (due to shrinking budgets) exacerbates the problem, leaving bands to self-produce using YouTube tutorials.

Personal experience

He references his own studio filled with 50+ guitar amps, and how he recently listened to a Chevelle record from 2003 mixed by Andy Wallace, noticing how much bigger and more dynamic it sounds compared to modern releases. He also mentions his friend Tom Bukovac, a top Nashville session guitarist, who can play a part perfectly in one or two takes in a real room, something digital can't fully replicate.

If everybody's using the same pallet to to paint on the on the canvas, then you're going to have these records that sound similar.

Also said
“I hear drum samples, I hear guitars that are recorded digitally with the same amp simulators and there's a sameness with the music.”— Specifics on what sonic elements cause the homogeneity.
“When I go back and listen to records from the early 2000s and they just have… it's mixed by a guy Andy Wallace. Amazing mixer. And it sounds massive, so punchy. And I was like, why don't records sound like that now?”— Concrete comparison between an older professionally mixed record and current sound.

Recommendations

Products, supplements, and tools mentioned in the episode

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11 Labs

Tool

AI voice cloning tool used to generate speech that mimics the user's voice. Rick uses it for B-roll voiceovers and to listen to his own written ideas.

Rick praised its verification system and the ability to train multiple voice profiles for different microphone setups. He successfully tested it on his audience without detection and now incorporates it into his workflow for efficiency.

Personal experience

He trained two vocal models (close and distant mic) and uses it to replace dialogue in B-roll footage, and had an assistant generate audio of his notes for listening.

I was using 11 Labs this morning actually for um I had some ideas that I wrote down and I wanted to listen to them back.

Also said
“I talk to 11 Labs and they're going to do a two different voice profiles for me.”— Shows the tool accommodates professional nuance.
Find 11

ChartMetrics

Tool

App that provides detailed metrics on artists' social media and streaming performance, helping users track when and how songs blow up on TikTok and other platforms.

Rick uses it to analyze viral trends. He demonstrated how he traced the Imogen Heap 'Headlock' resurgence, showing multiple spikes over six months from different TikTok videos, and how that correlated with increased Instagram followers.

Personal experience

He specifically mentions opening the app to verify his daughter's claim about the song, which led to his deep dive into TikTok-driven rediscovery.

I have different apps. There's an app called chart metrics that that will show you met give you metrics of artists, Instagram, Tik Tok, YouTube. It'll show you when something blew up.

Find ChartMetrics

Gemini (Google AI)

Tool

Google's AI assistant, which Rick uses to generate multiple variations of YouTube video titles because it has access to YouTube's data.

He feeds it a base title, asks for 10 variations tailored to his channel, and then refines them by combining parts he likes. He considers it the best title generator because of its integration with YouTube's dataset.

Personal experience

He uses it regularly for his video publishing process.

To me, the best title generator is Gemini because they have all YouTube's data in it. It's Google. So, I'll be like, 'Okay, here's a title for my video. Gemini, I want you to create 10 variations of this title for a Rick Bat YouTube.'

Find Gemini

Notable quotes

Lines worth pulling out — contrarian, specific, or perfectly phrased

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The days of the record labels creating your career are pretty much over.
Crystallizes the death of the old music industry model and the new reality where artists must build their own momentum on social platforms.
You have to be famous in order to be a big pop star. You need to be famous prior to being a big pop star.
Highlights the perverse logic that success in pop now requires pre-existing fame, often from Disney, TikTok, or reality TV, rather than raw musical talent.
Music is too easy to make and too easy to consume.
A concise diagnosis of why modern music lacks depth and scenes don't coalesce — the barrier to creation and access is so low that nothing has time to become culturally significant.
I don't think that anything that's completely fully generative AI should be able to be copyrighted.
Rick's key policy stance from testifying before the U.S. Senate, tying legal protection to human authorship.
Once rock music became disconnected from the blues, it started losing its appeal to people.
A memorable, timeless-sounding explanation for rock's decline that distills musical history into a single cause.
Figure it the [ __ ] out.
Blunt, no-nonsense advice to whining musicians, encapsulating his self-reliant, entrepreneurial ethos.

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