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Scientists Compared Butter vs Seed Oil Head-to-Head (the results surprised me)
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Scientists Compared Butter vs Seed Oil Head-to-Head (the results surprised me)

Thomas DeLauer
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TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

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TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

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Short-term replacement of saturated fats with polyunsaturated fats (vegetable oils) can reduce liver fat and inflammatory markers, but long-term accumulation of linoleic acid in body fat is a risk factor for coronary artery disease.

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Oxidized LDL, initiated by oxidation of linoleic acid within the LDL particle, is a key driver of atherosclerosis; seed oils in their oxidized form are particularly harmful.

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Overfeeding saturated fat increases liver fat by 55% (mostly from fat redistribution, not new fat creation), while sugar overfeeding leads to 98% new fat creation; saturated fat in a surplus is problematic, but for active, metabolically healthy individuals it can be beneficial.

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The speaker recommends consuming polyunsaturated fats from whole food sources (nuts, seeds), using olive oil sparingly, and getting saturated fat from non-hyperpalatable dairy and meat, while maintaining caloric balance and physical activity.

Protocols

Concrete recipes — what, when, how much, and why

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maintain-caloric-balance

WhatAvoid a caloric surplus, especially when consuming saturated fats.
WhenOngoing.
For whomEveryone, especially those consuming saturated fats.
WhyIn a surplus, saturated fat can lead to increased liver fat and fat redistribution.
CaveatsBeing in a surplus with any fat can be problematic, but saturated fat may be particularly harmful.

The speaker emphasizes that the negative effects of saturated fat are largely seen in overfeeding studies. He advises that to safely include saturated fats, one should be in a reasonable caloric range and not in a surplus. This is based on the overfeeding study where saturated fat caused a 55% increase in liver fat, largely from fat redistribution.

Mechanism

In a surplus, excess saturated fat leads to increased lipolysis and redeposition of fat in the liver.

If you are in an overfed state, yes, saturated fat becomes exponentially problematic.

Also said
“You should also, and you're going to laugh at me for saying this, be in a reasonable caloric range and not in a surplus.”— Direct advice.

be-physically-active

WhatEngage in regular physical activity to oxidize mobilized fats.
WhenRegularly.
For whomAnyone consuming saturated fats.
WhyActive individuals can oxidize the fats that are mobilized by saturated fat intake, preventing liver deposition.
CaveatsIf you are sedentary, saturated fat may be more harmful.

The speaker notes that the negative effects of saturated fat on liver fat are mitigated if the individual is active and can use the mobilized fat. He suggests that for metabolically healthy, active people, saturated fat can be beneficial.

Mechanism

Physical activity increases fat oxidation, using mobilized fatty acids for energy instead of depositing them in the liver.

If you are active and you actually use the fat that is mobilized, saturated fat could be quite beneficial.

whole-food-polyunsaturated-fats

WhatGet polyunsaturated fats from whole foods like nuts and seeds, not oxidized oils.
WhenAs part of a balanced diet.
For whomEveryone.
WhyWhole food sources are stable and not oxidized, providing the benefits without the risks of oxidized seed oils.
CaveatsAvoid oxidized oils found in processed foods.

The speaker argues that the Mediterranean diet, rich in whole food polyunsaturated fats, is healthy. The problem arises when these fats are extracted and oxidized in processed foods. He recommends consuming nuts, seeds, and using olive oil sparingly.

Mechanism

Whole food polyunsaturated fats are less likely to be oxidized and can improve insulin sensitivity and reduce inflammation.

Whole solid foods, polyunsaturated fats from nuts and from seeds and from sparing olive oil use.

Also said
“We took a good thing and we bastardized it is what we did.”— Summarizes the issue with processed seed oils.

choose-quality-saturated-fats

WhatConsume saturated fat from non-hyperpalatable, whole food sources like aged cheeses, good cuts of meat, and dairy.
WhenWhen including saturated fats in the diet.
For whomThose who include saturated fats.
WhyDairy saturated fats have different fatty acid profiles that are less harmful, and non-hyperpalatable forms prevent overconsumption.
CaveatsAvoid hyperpalatable processed foods high in saturated fat.

The speaker notes that saturated fat from dairy has significantly better effects than from other sources, likely due to its unique fatty acid composition. He recommends aged cheeses and good cuts of meat.

Mechanism

Dairy fats contain specific fatty acids that may have neutral or beneficial effects on health.

Saturated fat coming from dairy has significantly better effects in so many ways because there's different fatty acid profiles that are really good.

dont-add-saturated-fat-to-poor-diet

WhatIf you're eating a standard American diet, do not add extra saturated fat (like bulletproof coffee) without improving overall diet quality.
WhenWhen considering adding saturated fat supplements.
For whomPeople on a standard American diet.
WhyAdding saturated fat to a poor diet can exacerbate negative effects.
CaveatsThis is especially important for those who are sedentary or metabolically unhealthy.

The speaker warns against simply adding bulletproof coffee or extra butter to a diet without addressing overall dietary quality. He explains that in the context of a poor diet, the additional saturated fat can be harmful.

Mechanism

In a surplus, saturated fat leads to liver fat accumulation.

It would not be a good idea to add extra saturated fat. That is part of the problem when people don't change their diet, but then they suddenly add like a bulletproof coffee to their diet.

What's new

Personal practice updates, fresh positions, predictions

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butter-vs-vegetable-oil-short-term

A 10-week study in people with abdominal obesity found that replacing fats with vegetable oil reduced liver fat and inflammatory markers compared to butter, but the speaker cautions that short-term benefits may not reflect long-term risks.

Why this matters: Challenges the simplistic 'seed oils are always bad' narrative by showing short-term metabolic improvements.

Background

The study was published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition with 67 participants with abdominal obesity.

The speaker presents this study as a counterpoint to the popular anti-seed-oil stance. He explains that in the short term, polyunsaturated fats oxidize faster and can inhibit fatty acid synthesis in the liver, leading to lower liver fat. However, he emphasizes that this is a short-term intervention and that the metabolic health of the individual matters. He also notes that the study used whole food sources of polyunsaturated fats, not oxidized oils. The speaker uses this to argue that we need to look at the whole picture, not live in an echo chamber.

After 10 weeks what they found is that the polyunsaturated fatty acid group the group that had the vegetable oils in this case they had lower levels of liver fat.

Also said
“Inflammatory markers in the polyunsaturated fatty acid group went down.”— Adds that inflammation also improved.
“Short term, if you take someone off of a bunch of saturated fats, you will probably see improvements in some of these things.”— Explains the short-term effect.

linoleic-acid-accumulation-risk

The linoleic acid content of human subcutaneous fat has risen from 9% in 1959 to 22% in 2008, and high linoleic acid in fat tissue is an independent risk factor for coronary artery disease.

Why this matters: Provides a mechanistic link between seed oil consumption and heart disease risk, independent of cholesterol.

Background

From a systematic review published in Open Heart.

The speaker cites a large systematic review showing that the fatty acid composition of our body fat has changed dramatically, paralleling the obesity epidemic. He notes that this correlation doesn't equal causation, but the review identifies high linoleic acid in subcutaneous fat as a literal risk factor for coronary artery disease. This suggests that long-term accumulation of linoleic acid from seed oils could be harmful, even if short-term metabolic markers improve.

The overall amount of linoleic acid in our fat tissue, the composition of linoleic acid in our fat tissue is a literal associated risk factor for coronary artery disease.

Also said
“In 1959, the linoleic acid content of our subcutaneous fat was about 9%... In 2008, that was all the way up to almost 22% linoleic acid.”— Quantifies the change.

oxidized-ldl-linoleic-acid

Oxidized LDL is a major driver of atherosclerosis, and it is initiated by the oxidation of linoleic acid within the LDL particle itself.

Why this matters: Explains why oxidized seed oils are particularly atherogenic.

Background

From the same systematic review.

The speaker explains that when linoleic acid within LDL is oxidized, it forms aldehydes and ketones that bind to ApoB, altering the LDL particle so it can no longer dock with its normal receptor in the liver. Instead, it is taken up by scavenger receptors, initiating the atherosclerotic process. This mechanism underscores why the oxidation state of polyunsaturated fats matters more than just the type of fat.

Oxidized LDL is huge and it is initiated by the oxidation of the linoleic acid within the LDL particle itself.

Also said
“Once it is oxidized, then aldehydes and even ketones can actually bind to the APOB and this makes it so that the LDL can no longer dock in its receptor.”— Details the mechanism.
“Scavenger receptors will pick it up and thus begins the cycle.”— Completes the pathway.

overfeeding-saturated-fat-vs-sugar

Overfeeding saturated fat increased liver fat by 55% (mostly from fat redistribution), while sugar overfeeding increased it by 33% but with 98% new fat creation via de novo lipogenesis.

Why this matters: Reveals that saturated fat overfeeding causes fat to be pulled from adipose tissue and deposited in the liver, while sugar creates new fat.

Background

Study published in Diabetes Care with 38 subjects overfed 1000 calories of either saturated fat, unsaturated fat, or sugar.

The speaker breaks down the study to show that saturated fat overfeeding led to increased lipolysis, mobilizing fat from adipose tissue and redepositing it in the liver. Only 26% of the liver fat came from new fat formation, compared to 98% for sugar. This suggests that saturated fat in excess can be particularly harmful for liver health by redistributing existing fat to the liver, while sugar creates new fat. However, he notes that this was in an overfed state, and for active individuals who can oxidize the mobilized fat, saturated fat may not be problematic.

The saturated fat group increased lipolysis... a majority of the fat that was stored in the liver was actually from adipose tissue lipolysis.

Also said
“With saturated fat, only 26% of the fat that deposited was from new fat formation. Again, you compare that to sugar, where 98% of it was new fat formation.”— Quantifies the difference.
“If you are active and you actually use the fat that is mobilized, saturated fat could be quite beneficial.”— Adds context for active individuals.

Recommendations

Products, supplements, and tools mentioned in the episode

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Mediterranean diet

Practice

The speaker endorses the Mediterranean diet as a healthy eating pattern rich in whole food polyunsaturated fats.

He mentions that the Mediterranean diet is a really good diet with a lot of good properties, and that it uses wholesome polyunsaturated fats, not oxidized oils. He suggests that the benefits seen in the short-term study with vegetable oils are akin to the Mediterranean diet pattern.

vs alternatives

Compared to a standard American diet, the Mediterranean diet provides polyunsaturated fats in their whole food form, which are not oxidized.

We do know that the Mediterranean diet is a really good diet. Like it has a lot of good properties to it.

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The speaker describes Seed as a prebiotic and probiotic in one capsule with a multi-stage delivery system that protects the probiotic through digestion. He mentions clinical trials backing their product. He personally uses it and notices improvements in digestion, mood, and sleep. The sponsorship is clearly disclosed.

Personal experience

I notice it with mood. I notice it with sleep. The gut biome plays a lot bigger role than a lot of us give it credit for.

Seed is a prebiotic and a probiotic in one capsule. And they've been a sponsor on this channel for a very long time.

Also said
“I notice a pretty big difference in digestion, but also I notice it with mood. I notice it with sleep.”— Personal testimony.
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Notable quotes

Lines worth pulling out — contrarian, specific, or perfectly phrased

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The evidence is resounding that oxidized LDL is important in the formation of atherosclerosis.
Emphasizes the central role of oxidized LDL in heart disease.
The overall amount of linoleic acid in our fat tissue, the composition of linoleic acid in our fat tissue is a literal associated risk factor for coronary artery disease.
Directly links linoleic acid accumulation to heart disease risk.
We took a good thing and we bastardized it is what we did.
Memorable summary of how whole food polyunsaturated fats were turned into harmful oxidized seed oils.
If you are active and you actually use the fat that is mobilized, saturated fat could be quite beneficial.
Key insight that the harm of saturated fat depends on activity level.
Saturated fat in a surplus is going to be very problematic.
Concise warning about saturated fat in overfeeding.
Oxidized LDL is huge and it is initiated by the oxidation of the linoleic acid within the LDL particle itself.
Clear statement of the mechanism linking seed oils to atherosclerosis.

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Topics covered

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