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These Doctors Were Wrong About Fasting... and Why I Strongly Disagree
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These Doctors Were Wrong About Fasting... and Why I Strongly Disagree

Thomas DeLauer
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TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

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TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

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Thomas DeLauer argues that fasting does not inevitably cause muscle loss if combined with resistance training, citing Don Layman's view that 60–70% of muscle maintenance comes from the mechanical stimulus.

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He admits his previous advice to do cardio on fasting days was a mistake; newer research from Mike Ormsbee's lab shows resistance training during fasting preserves muscle and triggers prolonged fat oxidation, making fasted cardio risky.

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Protein timing is flexible: muscle protein synthesis remains elevated 24–48 hours post-workout, and large protein doses (100+ grams) can be assimilated slowly, so skipping a meal does not automatically create a protein deficit.

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Extended multi-day fasts likely cause muscle loss, but shorter fasts (16–22 hours) are safe with adequate resistance training and total protein intake, and he personally still uses fasting as a tool.

Protocols

Concrete recipes — what, when, how much, and why

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Resistance training on fasting days

WhatPerform resistance exercise during fasting days to signal muscle preservation and enhance daily fat oxidation.
WhenOn any fasting day, especially during intermittent fasts of 16–22 hours.
DoseNot specified, but a standard resistance session; DeLauer implies it should be part of the day's activity.
For whomIndividuals who fast (intermittent or time-restricted eating) and want to maintain or build muscle.
WhyMechanical tension tells the body the muscle is needed for survival, preserving lean mass. Additionally, resistance training triggers a signal that increases fat oxidation for the rest of the day.
CaveatsMust ensure adequate total protein intake within 24–48 hours after training. Extended multi-day fasts may still risk muscle loss even with training.

DeLauer positions resistance training as the missing element in the anti‑fasting narrative. He points out that both Attia and Patrick lost muscle not because of fasting per se but because they did not combine it with an adequate muscle stimulus. When muscles are loaded, the body maintains them even during calorie restriction. This is supported by the research from Mike Ormsbee showing that resistance training on fasting days not only protects muscle but also triggers a sustained increase in fat oxidation—potentially more beneficial than the acute fat burn of cardio. He stresses that the anabolic window is wide enough that post‑workout nutrition can be delayed, so one can train fasted and eat later without compromising the response.

Mechanism

Resistance exercise activates mechanotransduction pathways that upregulate muscle protein synthesis and suppress catabolic signalling. The body interprets the mechanical load as a survival necessity, preferentially sparing active muscle tissue. Additionally, a signalling cascade (identified by Ormsbee's lab) shifts substrate utilisation toward fat oxidation for hours post‑session.

Personal experience

DeLauer now incorporates resistance training on his fasting days and says he still fasts successfully after adjusting this element.

The resistance training that you do on a fasting day is probably a net positive in terms of muscle preservation, even though you might not get as much fat loss as you would with cardio.

Also said
“If those muscles are used, then the body is going to preferentially maintain it because it seems like it's necessary for survival.”— Distills the survival rationale.

Avoid fasted cardio if muscle preservation is a priority

WhatRefrain from endurance-style cardio on fasting days; replace it with resistance training.
WhenOn days when you are fasting (e.g., intermittent fasts).
For whomAnyone concerned with maintaining lean mass during fasting.
WhyFasted cardio does not provide the muscle-preserving stimulus and likely leads to a net loss of muscle, while the fat burned may not justify the risk.
CaveatsIf cardio is preferred for other reasons, consider doing it on fed days or after resistance training, though DeLauer does not specify this.

DeLauer acknowledges that fasted cardio was once a cornerstone of his approach. He now sees it as a mistake because it creates a calorie deficit that includes muscle protein alongside fat. He references research indicating that the fat loss from fasted cardio is unlikely to offset the muscle loss. Meanwhile, the signalling benefit of resistance training—both for muscle preservation and prolonged fat oxidation—makes it the superior choice during fasting. He frames this as a course correction for anyone following his older material.

Mechanism

Without a mechanical loading signal, the body perceives less need to preserve metabolically expensive muscle tissue during a fast, so catabolism rises. Cardio lacks the signal that resistance training provides for muscle survival and the signalling for sustained fat oxidation.

Personal experience

He explicitly regrets ‘falling on the sword’ for promoting fasted cardio, stating he did so for years before changing his mind.

If you are going to do cardio on the days that you're fasting, you do probably put yourself at risk for muscle loss.

Also said
“That's me looking at fasting from a fat loss perspective and that lens of fat loss only and not necessarily muscle preservation.”— Shows his previous bias that led to the flawed advice.

High-dose protein intake in the feeding window

WhatWhen breaking a fast, consume enough protein to reach daily target, even if it means 100+ grams in one sitting, because the body assimilates it over time.
WhenAt the meal(s) after training, within 24–48 hours of the workout; applicable for any eating window after a fast.
DoseExample of 100+ grams of protein in a single meal, but amount should total to individual needs (typically 1.6–2.2 g/kg daily).
For whomIndividuals who skip meals while fasting and worry about meeting protein requirements.
WhyMuscle protein synthesis remains elevated for 24–48 hours post‑exercise, and large protein doses are absorbed slowly without waste, so daily total matters more than meal frequency.
CaveatsTotal daily or weekly protein intake must still be sufficient; single large meals are not a licence to undereat overall. Very large doses may cause digestive discomfort for some.

DeLauer counters the concern that skipping a meal means permanently losing a protein opportunity. He explains that the body does not rigidly reset every 24 hours; it can compensate over longer periods. He points to literature demonstrating that even 100+ grams of protein in one meal is not wasted or converted to fat but is gradually released. Coupled with the 24–48‑hour synthesis window, this means a person can fast for 20 hours, train, then eat a large, protein-rich meal and still support muscle maintenance or growth.

Mechanism

Gastric emptying and gradual amino acid release provide a steady supply over many hours, preventing rapid oxidation or excretion. The sustained elevation of muscle protein synthetic machinery post‑workout allows effective utilisation of this slow release.

You can have 100-plus grams of protein in one sitting and still assimilate it over a period of time. It doesn't just go to waste and get pooped out or turned to fat.

Also said
“Protein synthesis stays elevated for 24 to 48 hours after a workout, indicating that you could fast, you could work out resistance train, and you don't need to eat protein right after your workout.”— Establishes the timing flexibility that allows delayed large meals.

Fast for 16–22 hours with resistance training

WhatUse a daily fasting window of 16–22 hours while performing resistance exercise during the fast, to maintain muscle.
WhenAs an intermittent fasting routine, up to daily, though he allows flexibility.
DoseFasting duration 16–22 hours; resistance training done during the fast.
For whomPeople aiming for metabolic benefits of fasting without sacrificing lean mass.
WhyShorter fasts minimise the risk of muscle loss seen with extended multi-day fasts, and the stimulus of resistance training signals muscle preservation.
CaveatsExtended fasts (24+ hours) likely cause muscle loss even with training; this protocol should not be extended to multi-day fasts. Adequate protein refeeding is still required.

DeLauer differentiates between the moderate intermittent fasts he recommends and the extended fasts that Attia and Patrick previously practiced. Attia’s quarterly 7–10‑day water fasts, for example, resulted in a cumulative 10‑pound lean mass loss over 3 years. DeLauer agrees that such prolonged fasts are detrimental to muscle. However, he contends that a 16–22‑hour fast, especially with resistance training, lies on a safe part of the curve. He draws on the principle that sufficient mechanical stimulus offsets the mild deprivation, making the practice viable for body composition and metabolic health.

Mechanism

Within 16–22 hours, catabolic signals are present but not severe enough to cause significant muscle atrophy if mechanical tension is provided. Resistance exercise maintains anabolic signalling, tipping the balance toward preservation.

Personal experience

DeLauer says he personally uses fasting windows in this range and still sees good results after adjusting his training approach.

Personally, I am from the belief that you can go probably more 18, 20, 22 hours without having a significant amount of muscle loss as long as resistance training is in play.

Also said
“Peter does make a very solid mention of these longer, more extended fasts. And if we talk about this, then yeah, that's going to be potentially problematic for losing muscle.”— Acknowledges that the real harm is with multi-day fasts, not the shorter protocol he advocates.

What's new

Personal practice updates, fresh positions, predictions

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Fasted cardio leads to muscle loss — a personal correction

DeLauer now considers fasted cardio a mistake because it risks muscle loss, and the fat-loss benefit does not outweigh that risk.

Why this matters: He publicly reverses his long-held recommendation, acknowledging he 'needs to fall on the sword' after years of advising fasted cardio.

Background

Earlier in his career he promoted cardio on fasting days to accelerate fat loss. New data from Dr. Mike Ormsbee’s lab and his own reflection made him change stance.

For many years DeLauer believed that doing cardio while fasting maximised fat burning. He now admits this view was narrow, focused only on fat loss and not muscle preservation. Research from Ormsbee’s lab suggests that fasted cardio indeed burns fat acutely but does not send the muscle-preserving stimulus of resistance training. Moreover, the net equation of fat lost versus muscle lost makes fasted cardio a poor choice for anyone concerned with lean mass. He explains that the 'afterburn' (EPOC) after cardio is less significant than the signaling change triggered by resistance training, which leads to greater fat oxidation throughout the rest of the day. This recognition forced him to completely pivot on what he recommends during fasting days.

Personal experience

DeLauer admits: 'For many years, I thought that doing cardio on a fasting day was going to be the best way to go because it would trigger more fat loss. … That’s me looking at fasting from a fat loss perspective and that lens of fat loss only and not necessarily muscle preservation.'

Where I made a big mistake and where I need to fall on the sword is for many years, I thought that doing cardio on a fasting day was going to be the best way to go because it would trigger more fat loss.

Also said
“If you are going to do cardio on the days that you're fasting, you do probably put yourself at risk for muscle loss. And the net equation with that, the fat that you do lose by doing cardio on a fasted day is probably not worth the risk of the potential muscle loss.”— Caps the cost–benefit analysis he now applies to fasted cardio.
“Newer research from Dr. Mike Ormsbee … helped me really pivot how I looked at this.”— Identifies the scientific trigger for his change of mind.

Resistance training triggers all-day fat oxidation, not just EPOC

Ormsbee’s lab discovered that resistance training changes signaling so that fat oxidation increases for hours after the session, beyond the classic afterburn effect.

Why this matters: Challenges the common assumption that cardio is superior for fat burning during fasting, providing a mechanistic reason to prioritise resistance work.

Background

The conventional view is that cardio raises post-exercise oxygen consumption (EPOC) and thus fat burning; DeLauer now reports a distinct signaling-based effect from resistance training.

DeLauer describes a nuanced finding from Ormsbee’s lab that goes beyond the well-known EPOC. While intense exercise of any kind can increase post-workout calorie burn, the lab found that resistance training specifically activates a signalling cascade that instructs the body to oxidise a greater percentage of fat throughout the remainder of the day. This is not merely an elevated metabolic rate; it is a shift in substrate utilisation. Thus, even though a bout of fasted cardio might burn more fat in the immediate moment, resistance training yields a sustained, signal-driven fat oxidation that could be more valuable during a fast.

Ormsbee's lab found something different. They found that resistance training itself actually triggered a signal to oxidize more fat throughout the rest of the day.

Also said
“Even though cardio during a fasting day might help you burn more fat in that moment, resistance training preserves the muscle and actually increases fat oxidation throughout the rest of the day, which might even be more beneficial for fat burning because you're going to get it extended throughout the length of your fast.”— Ties the finding directly to a practical fasting strategy.

Protein can be consumed in large single doses and still fully utilised

The body assimilates large protein meals (100+ grams) over time; protein consumed in one sitting is not wasted or converted to fat, and muscle protein synthesis remains elevated for 24–48 hours after training.

Why this matters: Directly counters the argument that meal skipping makes it impossible to meet protein needs, which underlies much of the anti-fasting shift by Attia and Patrick.

Background

Popular advice often limits protein to ~30–40 g per meal, fearing excess is oxidised or stored. DeLauer pushes back, citing literature that shows extended assimilation.

DeLauer argues that the body does not operate on a strict 24‑hour clock for calories or protein. While eating multiple small meals is common, the physiological reality is that a large bolus of protein can be absorbed slowly, with amino acids released over many hours. Combined with the fact that muscle protein synthesis stays elevated for 24 to 48 hours after resistance training, this means that a person can fast, train, then consume their daily protein target in a compressed window without compromising muscle repair. He emphasises that the body treats total intake over longer periods, not necessarily within a single day, so compensating with more food on other days can offset the deficit.

You can have 100-plus grams of protein in one sitting and still assimilate it over a period of time. It doesn't just go to waste and get pooped out or turned to fat.

Also said
“Protein synthesis stays elevated for 24 to 48 hours after a workout, indicating that you could fast, you could work out resistance train, and you don't need to eat protein right after your workout.”— Establishes the extended window that makes delayed feeding viable.
“We've seen other literature that shows that you can have 100-plus grams of protein in one sitting and still assimilate it over a period of time.”— Reinforces the claim with a direct reference to published research.

Fasting with resistance training can spare muscle — a contrarian stance to Attia and Patrick

DeLauer maintains that fasting does not inevitably cause muscle loss, because resistance exercise provides the survival signal to preserve muscle, contradicting the view that fasting and muscle retention are incompatible.

Why this matters: He directly challenges the recent public position of two highly respected figures, providing a focused counterargument backed by Don Layman’s principle and Ormsbee’s data.

Background

Attia and Patrick stopped recommending fasting after observing personal muscle loss and concerns about protein timing. DeLauer argues that the real issue was insufficient stimulus and protein, not fasting per se.

DeLauer acknowledges that Peter Attia and Rhonda Patrick changed their minds on fasting mainly because of lean mass loss. Attia reported losing 10 pounds of muscle over 3 years of extended fasts; Patrick noted she wasn’t making up protein when skipping meals. DeLauer counters that the variable missing from their experiences was adequate resistance training. He invokes Dr. Don Layman’s principle that 60–70% of muscle maintenance comes from the stimulus itself. When humans fast without using muscles, the body sees no reason to keep metabolically expensive tissue. If muscles are regularly challenged with resistance, however, the body preferentially preserves them because they are interpreted as necessary for survival. Therefore, the problem is not fasting but the lack of stimulus during fasting. He further supports this by noting that protein synthesis can be delayed and large protein meals can still meet needs.

Personal experience

He still fasts and has tweaked his approach to include resistance training, stating 'I still stand with it. I still do it. I have tweaked my approach a tiny bit, but it works great.'

Dr. Don Layman, who's like the pioneer of leucine research … has even gone on record saying 60 to 70% of building muscle and maintaining muscle is the stimulus itself.

Also said
“The body needs to know that this muscle is relevant for survival. So, if you were to just fast and not use your muscles, why would your body keep something that's metabolically expensive?”— Caps the survival argument that underpins his contrarian stance.
“I don't think that we need to throw the baby out with the bathwater here. It's a highly effective tool. I still stand with it.”— Reaffirms his position despite the criticism from peers.
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Personal experience

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Also said
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Notable quotes

Lines worth pulling out — contrarian, specific, or perfectly phrased

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The body needs to know that this muscle is relevant for survival. So, if you were to just fast and not use your muscles, why would your body keep something that's metabolically expensive?
Captures the core evolutionary rationale for why resistance training is essential when fasting.
Protein synthesis stays elevated for 24 to 48 hours after a workout, indicating that you could fast, you could work out resistance train, and you don't need to eat protein right after your workout.
Directly refutes the anabolic window myth that often discourages training while fasting.
You can have 100-plus grams of protein in one sitting and still assimilate it over a period of time. It doesn't just go to waste and get pooped out or turned to fat.
Challenges the common belief that large protein meals are wasted, which underpins the argument that meal skipping inevitably causes a deficit.
Resistance training actually changed signaling so the body oxidized more fat as a percentage later on.
Highlights a novel finding (from Ormsbee’s lab) that resistance training provides a sustained fat‑oxidation advantage beyond EPOC.
I don't think that we need to throw the baby out with the bathwater here. It's a highly effective tool. I still stand with it.
Summates his entire position: fasting remains valuable despite legitimate critiques.
Where I made a big mistake and where I need to fall on the sword is for many years, I thought that doing cardio on a fasting day was going to be the best way to go because it would trigger more fat loss.
A rare public admission of error by a health influencer, lending credibility to his updated guidance.

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