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AI Investor Panel: Where Smart Money Is Actually Going in AI | EP 219
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AI Investor Panel: Where Smart Money Is Actually Going in AI | EP 219

Peter Diamandis
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TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

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TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

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AI capital spending in the U.S. is $1B/day, projected to hit $3B/day by 2030, far exceeding the $200B/year U.S. venture industry; corporate and strategic investors are filling the gap.

2

Energy is the binding constraint on AI infrastructure: data center buildouts stall on permitting and electricity shortages, triggering a rush for energy contracts.

3

Frontier AI wealth is locked in private markets and a small talent pool, risking public backlash; sovereign wealth and pension funds are urged to invest directly on cap tables.

4

Early-stage vertical AI application companies from MIT/Harvard are showing near-100% success rates, with valuations rocketing from $30M to $10B in two years, while speculative peripheral plays like fusion energy risk a 2001-style confidence collapse.

Protocols

Concrete recipes — what, when, how much, and why

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Get into the AI investment loop early and secure pro-rata rights

WhatInvestors must place capital in early-stage AI startups, particularly through top networks (MIT, Stanford, Y Combinator), to gain pro-rata rights for enormous follow-on rounds.
WhenNow, before the window narrows; specific entry can be at seed or Series A of high-potential vertical AI companies.
DoseNo fixed check size; the key is to be part of the initial institutional or angel round that grants ongoing pro-rata allocation.
For whomInstitutional investors, family offices, sovereign wealth funds, and accredited angels with access to top deal flow.
WhyEarly participation unlocks the ability to invest billions in later stages, as demonstrated by Anthropic's trajectory from $100M to $183B in 48 months.
CaveatsRequires connectivity to elite university/VC ecosystems; retail investors without access may need to rely on funds that provide this exposure. High valuations early on can compress returns if the company fails to execute.

David Blundin stressed that the amount of capital needed by AI companies far exceeds the $200B/year U.S. venture industry, creating a vacuum that can be filled by anyone who shows up early. He used the Anthropic seed round as the ultimate cautionary tale: 21 established VCs said no, yet the few who invested gained pro-rata rights that would have allowed them to pour in billions of follow-on capital and capture a massive share of the wealth creation. The Mercor example—valuation rocketing from $30M to $10B in two years—showed that even non-foundation-model companies can deliver historic returns. David's core message: ‘It's just not that hard. You just need to get into the loops, get into the places that are making these investments and get in the game.’ The failure to do so isn't about lack of capital, but about lack of presence in the right networks.

the pro rata rights on that deal alone would have allowed you to invest a follow on of probably what four five ten billion dollars of follow on. But you just had to be there in the game at the outset.

Also said
“The amount of capital going into the sector way outstrips the venture funds.”— Highlights the structural gap that early movers can exploit.
“Just need to get into the loops get into the places that are making these investments and get in the game.”— Crystallizes the advice in the simplest terms.

Focus investment on vertical AI use cases; avoid speculative peripherals

WhatDirect capital to proven AI application companies (customer support, sales, drug discovery) and shun expensive, unproven AI-adjacent bets like fusion energy or quantum computing until they demonstrate commercial viability.
WhenThroughout the current AI investment cycle, but especially when hype leads investors to fund capital-intensive moonshots under the AI umbrella.
For whomAll AI investors, from angels to sovereign funds.
WhyVertical AI companies show near-100% success rates among elite teams and are not capital-intensive, whereas peripheral failures could trigger a systemic confidence crisis akin to the 2001 internet bust.
CaveatsSome peripheral bets may eventually pan out; the risk is not that they fail individually but that a wave of failures scare capital away from the entire sector. Investors must distinguish between real, immediate value and future memes.

David drew a direct parallel to the internet era: the technology was real and eventually delivered, but overinvestment in non-core, capital-intensive ideas caused a crash that left the whole sector frozen for years. Today, AI voice automation for sales alone represents a $500 billion global payroll market where AI already outperforms humans—deploying that is a near-certain winner. On the other hand, he sees money pouring into fusion energy and robotics under the guise of 'AI-related,' which are far more speculative and could consume capital without returns. Bonnie added that the opaque price discovery of AI valuations means public investors entering late could be the bag-holders when the bubble deflates. The protocol is to stay disciplined: overweight vertical AI applications with clear ROI, underweight capital-intensive moonshots unless you have the risk appetite and horizon to tolerate a bust.

If you invest in that [AI vertical], you cannot go wrong. But if you get sold an investment in something that's kind of like, well, quantum computing also might work... much more speculative and very very capital-intensive.

Also said
“the AI does it better than anyone on the phone already. Like it existing We just need to deploy that half trillion. If you invest in that, you cannot go wrong.”— Quantifies the immediate, low-risk vertical opportunity.
“some things like robotics is very capital-intensive, fusion energy is very capital-intensive. It's not the obvious win of AI. It's a peripheral investment. Some of those will be good. Some of them are going to consume a ton of money and turn into losses, and that may scare off the entire investment community.”— Explains the systemic risk of peripheral hype.

Sovereign wealth and pension funds must aggressively invest on AI cap tables

WhatPublic stewards of capital (sovereign wealth funds, pension funds, state funds) should allocate a meaningful portion of their portfolios directly to AI startups, not just late-stage rounds, to capture the wealth creation and mitigate future social unrest.
WhenImmediately—before the public backlash from AI-induced job displacement grows.
DoseNo specific allocation percentage, but the call is to move from near-zero exposure to significant direct investment.
For whomSovereign wealth funds, pension funds, state investment arms, and other institutional stewards of public money.
WhyThe vast majority of AI wealth is being created inside private capital; if public institutions don't participate, the public will be left with job losses and no upside, potentially leading to civil unrest.
CaveatsRequires overcoming bureaucratic risk aversion and education about AI's trajectory. High private valuations pose near-term risk, but missing the entire wealth-creation window is the larger threat.

Anjan framed the AI transition as a societal time bomb: productivity gains will vaporize large portions of sectors like IT services (e.g., double-digit percentages of India's GDP), yet the gains are concentrated in a handful of private companies and their early backers. He noted that tech leaders already receive death threats, and the Sam Altman $1M retention bonus backlash signaled public anger. To avoid a ‘where's my piece?’ crisis, sovereign and pension funds must become active on cap tables. He contrasted this with current reality—most of his outreach to such funds was met with passivity, despite the Anthropic case demonstrating the opportunity. He sees these institutions as the proper vehicle to democratize AI wealth, far better than directly listing for retail investors who may buy at inflated prices. His call: ‘it's our job to educate them and make them more aggressively take a position.’

Why aren't they investing on the cap tables? Why is it family offices? Why is it high net worth individuals? ... I'm still shocked at how often today traditional venture sovereign funds, traditional pension funds are not being aggressive enough in managing in the steward taking their job as a steward of public capital and exposing it to frontier AI wealth creation.

Also said
“The vast majority of wealth being created by frontier AI is locked up inside of private capital like our funds. It's locked up inside a small group of talent... I don't think we've really figured out what happens when the rest of the public goes, well, where's my piece of the future?”— Provides the moral and social rationale for the protocol.

Use Hong Kong as a listing venue for AI companies seeking Asian liquidity

WhatAI companies, especially those with operations or market exposure in China and Asia, should consider an IPO on HKEX, which now leads global IPO volumes and has a deep pipeline of AI names.
WhenWhen the company is ready for public markets and wants to tap Asian retail and institutional capital.
For whomAI companies, particularly those from mainland China or those targeting Asian investor demand.
WhyHKEX offers deep liquidity, a large base of tech-savvy retail investors, and a regulatory environment that is actively courting AI listings, with half of its 300+ pending IPOs related to AI.
CaveatsPublic market valuations may be more conservative than private ones. Retail investors entering at high valuations could be the last in if a bubble deflates, so companies must price responsibly.

Bonnie Chan highlighted that Hong Kong has become the world's top IPO market by deal volume, with a pipeline of 300 deals, half tied to AI. Chinese companies are embedding AI across sectors—from manufacturing to drug discovery—and need public capital to scale. The exchange's investor base has evolved from simple retail to ‘protel’ investors using algorithmic strategies, creating a sophisticated demand pool. However, she acknowledged the tension between democratizing AI wealth and protecting retail investors from inflated valuations. Her solution is to use the exchange as a platform to match capital with opportunity, bringing in diverse pockets of demand worldwide, while ensuring pricing transparency. For AI founders, a HKEX listing provides an alternative to US exchanges, with the benefit of tapping into the immense Asian savings pool.

We've done quite well this year in the IPO space. In fact, Hong Kong is now number one on the global IPO league table this year. We have 300 deals in the pipeline... about probably half of it has something to do with AI.

Also said
“I think really um just given how much capital is needed to support the growth, whether it's private, whether it's public ... our common challenge will be to make sure that we find as many ways as possible that we match the capital with the opportunities.”— Frames HKEX's role in solving the capital-allocation problem.

What's new

Personal practice updates, fresh positions, predictions

5 items

venture-funds-become-ai-funds

Early in the panel

All investment sectors at a16z (infrastructure, applications, healthcare) are now de facto AI funds because AI is a cross-stack technology.

Why this matters: Demonstrates that AI is not a niche but a horizontal layer forcing every fund to retool. This shift consolidates capital into AI at the expense of other tech sectors.

Background

Historically, VCs operated distinct vertical funds (healthcare, infra, applications). The blurring lines mean traditional sector expertise is being subsumed by AI fluency, and generalist investors risk irrelevance.

Anjan explained that a16z was founded as a verticalized firm, but those labels have collapsed. Whether teams train foundation models or build applications, every investment is now an AI investment. This mirrors how the internet ate all other software; investors who don't see that all sectors will be AI-reliant will miss the wave. The implication is that capital is being funneled almost exclusively into AI, to the detriment of non-AI startups. David reinforced that the volume of deals coming out of MIT and Harvard has quadrupled, with success rates near 100%, suggesting that the opportunity set has expanded so much that almost any talented team tackling a real use case will win. The shift is structural and permanent, not a hype cycle.

all of those are now AI funds, right? Because AI is a cross-stack thing, whether you're you're working with teams that it we're training foundation models or building applications.

Also said
“The number of startups coming out of MIT and Harvard in the AI world is like quadrupled in the last few years.”— Quantifies the talent pipeline explosion that is feeding the all-AI fund thesis.

tokens-become-scarce-input

Middle of the panel

The capital stack now flows from cash to GPUs to tokens; high-quality tokens from foundation models (especially reasoning models that generate 10x more tokens) are a scarcer input than raw GPUs.

Why this matters: Adds a new layer of scarcity on top of hardware, changing how application-layer companies budget and scale.

Background

Previously, AI startups just needed cash to buy compute. Now they depend on API access to foundation models, and the latest reasoning models consume vastly more tokens per query, making token supply the bottleneck.

Anjan described the 'pref stack' of compute: raw cash converts to GPUs, GPUs convert to tokens, and tokens become an input for application developers. The emergence of reasoning models that generate 10x more tokens than earlier gen AI models has intensified demand, creating a Jevons paradox where algorithmic efficiency gains only increase the appetite for compute. Even with massive infrastructure buildout, we 'somehow just need more compute, more infrastructure.' This means application developers aren't just competing for funding; they're competing for token allocations from foundation model providers, which may force them to vertically integrate or pay premiums. The scarcity shifts bargaining power toward model providers like OpenAI, Anthropic, and Mistral.

We're living through Jevons paradox every day where, no matter how much infrastructure buildout we do, no matter how many algorithmic efficiencies there are, we somehow just need more compute, more infrastructure.

Also said
“the capital stack was just raw cash, then came you'd you'd convert raw cash to GPUs and then the the foundation model teams converted the GPUs to tokens and that's an input now into application developers.”— Articulates the full resource conversion chain.

hong-kong-ipo-leader

Mid-panel

Hong Kong Exchange & Clearing (HKEX) is now the world's top IPO venue by volume, with 300 deals in the pipeline and about half related to AI, driven by Chinese companies embedding AI to stay competitive.

Why this matters: Shifts the public-market AI narrative from the US to Asia, highlighting a new liquidity hub for AI companies.

Background

For years, the US exchanges dominated tech IPOs. HKEX's rise reflects China's push into AI across manufacturing, drug discovery, and energy, and the emergence of sophisticated Asian retail investors ("protel" investors).

Bonnie noted that mainland Chinese companies that aren't doing it at the core of AI development 'probably quite unable to compete.' Her pipeline includes not only infrastructure plays but also data-intensive sectors like drug discovery, where AI is dramatically shortening discovery cycles. The retail investor base in Asia has evolved; they now have algorithmic trading strategies and a deep appetite for tech. However, she cautioned that opening public markets to retail at sky-high private valuations creates the risk of the public being the last to participate before a correction. Her solution is to find ways to match capital with opportunities through multiple avenues: private, public, credit, equity—anything that broadens participation while managing price discovery transparency.

Hong Kong is now number one on the global IPO league table this year. We have 300 deals in the pipeline waiting to get done. We have already done about 80 year-to-date, and I would say of the 80 which has been completed and the 300 which is still waiting in line, about probably half of it has something to do with AI.

Also said
“with the companies in the Chinese mainland, these days if you are not already doing something with AI or being, you know, at the very center of the AI development, you probably quite unable to compete and be successful in your business.”— Shows the competitive necessity of AI in China, fueling the IPO pipeline.

anthropic-seed-round-rejection

Second half of the panel

Anthropic's seed round received 21 'no's from Sand Hill Road VCs, forcing a $100M raise from angels and high-net-worth individuals, yet the same institutions later missed the follow-on wealth.

Why this matters: A concrete, shocking example of how mainstream VC failed to capture the biggest AI opportunity, and why capital must be more aggressive.

Background

Before the current AI mania, most VCs saw Anthropic as too risky. Four years later it's valued at $183B, and early backers could have participated in billions more via pro-rata rights.

Anjan personally made 22 introductions to VCs up and down Sand Hill Road; 21 declined. The round was pieced together from angels. He remains 'shocked at how often today traditional venture sovereign funds, traditional pension funds are not being aggressive enough' despite this clear lesson. David Blundin hammered home the opportunity: anyone who invested at the seed got pro-rata rights, potentially allowing them to pour in 'what four five ten billion dollars of follow on.' The asymmetry was enormous, yet many institutional investors stayed on the sidelines. This episode is a case study in the gap between AI wealth creation and institutional participation—a gap that, if not closed, will leave the public angry and excluded.

Personal experience

Anjan described making 22 introductions for Anthropic's seed round and securing only one yes; the rest came from angels.

When we went out to raise the seed round for Anthropic, I made 22 introductions to them up and down Sand Hill Road. They got 21 no's.

Also said
“I'm still shocked at how often today traditional venture sovereign funds, traditional pension funds are not being aggressive enough in managing the steward taking their job as a steward of public capital and exposing it to frontier AI wealth creation.”— Emphasizes the ongoing institutional failure.

peripheral-ai-risk-2001-style-bust

Late in the panel

Massive capital is flowing into AI-adjacent moonshots like fusion energy and robotics, which could consume billions and fail, triggering a loss of confidence that tarnishes the whole sector—much like the 2001 internet bust.

Why this matters: A veteran VC draws a direct historical parallel and warns investors to distinguish between core value and speculative froth.

Background

The internet in 2000 was a real transformative technology, but overinvestment in peripheral, capital-intensive ideas caused a crash that delayed its broader realization. David sees the same pattern emerging in AI.

David argued that companies applying AI to voice-driven sales and customer support represent a half-trillion-dollar payroll market where AI already outperforms humans—investment here 'you cannot go wrong.' In contrast, pitches for fusion energy or quantum computing are being sold as AI plays because energy and compute support AI, but they are much more speculative and capital-intensive. If those bets fail, they could scare off the entire investment community, mirroring the 2001 aftermath. Bonnie added that valuation discovery is currently opaque and driven by a small group, so retail investors entering late at inflated prices could be the greatest losers. The solution: pour capital into proven vertical AI wins while being cautious about hype-adjacent peripherals.

If you invest in that [AI verticals like sales/customer support], you cannot go wrong. But if you get sold an investment in something that's kind of like, well, quantum computing also might work... much more speculative and very very capital-intensive.

Also said
“the internet was very real, and if you waited long enough, it came roaring back, but everybody lost confidence in 2001. Why? Because of some really bad peripheral investments.”— Explicitly maps the risk onto the AI ecosystem today.

Recommendations

Products, supplements, and tools mentioned in the episode

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Vertical AI application investing

Practice

David Blundin recommends focusing capital on companies that apply AI to specific verticals like sales, customer support, and drug discovery, where success rates among elite teams are near 100% and capital intensity is low.

This approach contrasts with funding capital-intensive AI infrastructure plays or speculative adjacent fields like quantum computing and fusion. David argues that the use cases are so abundant relative to the talent pool that any competent team from MIT or Harvard targeting a real vertical will likely succeed. He cites the example of AI voice automation for sales and customer support—a $500 billion payroll market where AI already outperforms humans—as a sure bet. By concentrating on these verticals, investors avoid the risk of a 2001-style bust triggered by failed peripheral bets, while capturing rapid valuation growth (unicorn status in two years).

vs alternatives

Compared to investing in infrastructure (energy, chips) or long-shot moonshots (fusion, quantum), vertical applications require less capital, have clearer near-term revenue, and carry lower risk of total loss, while still offering massive upside.

the companies coming out of MIT and Harvard are overwhelmingly going in into vertical use cases... the success rate of those is near 100%... If you invest in that, you cannot go wrong.

Also said
“if you look at AI voices doing sales and customer support, that's half a trillion dollars of payroll worldwide today. The AI does it better than anyone on the phone already. Like it existing We just need to deploy that half trillion.”— Quantifies the immediate market for vertical AI applications.
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DisclosureBonnie Chan is CEO of HKEX; she appeared on the panel.

Bonnie detailed that of the 300 deals in the pipeline, roughly half are AI-related, spanning infrastructure, applications, and data-intensive fields like drug discovery. The exchange has cultivated a sophisticated retail investor base ('protel' investors) and benefits from China's massive push to embed AI into all sectors. For AI startups seeking liquidity and a broad investor base, HKEX presents a credible alternative to US exchanges, especially for companies with Asian market exposure. However, she cautioned that public valuations might re-calibrate from private froth, and companies must be mindful of protecting retail investors.

vs alternatives

Compared to US exchanges, HKEX offers deeper integration with Asian capital pools and a regulatory environment actively seeking tech listings, but may face lower valuations for some tech companies accustomed to US multiples.

Hong Kong is now number one on the global IPO league table this year. We have 300 deals in the pipeline waiting to get done... about probably half of it has something to do with AI.

Also said
“I think really um just given how much capital is needed to support the growth, whether it's private, whether it's public ... our common challenge will be to make sure that we find as many ways as possible that we match the capital with the opportunities.”— Positions HKEX as a key bridge between capital and AI opportunities.
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Notable quotes

Lines worth pulling out — contrarian, specific, or perfectly phrased

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All the rules are being rewritten about how you fund growth because we just need all the capital we can get.
Encapsulates the magnitude of the capital shift and the breakdown of traditional venture funding models.
We're living through Jevons paradox every day where, no matter how much infrastructure buildout we do, no matter how many algorithmic efficiencies there are, we somehow just need more compute, more infrastructure.
Perfectly distills the insatiable demand loop that defines the AI infrastructure boom.
The vast majority of wealth being created by frontier AI is locked up inside of private capital like our funds. It's locked up inside a small group of talent... I don't think we've really figured out what happens when the rest of the public goes, well, where's my piece of the future?
Highlights the societal risk of concentrated AI wealth that the panel returned to repeatedly.
If you invest in that [AI vertical], you cannot go wrong. But if you get sold an investment in something that's kind of like, well, quantum computing also might work... much more speculative and very very capital-intensive.
A veteran investor draws a bright line between sure bets and dangerous hype, with a 2001 internet bust analogy in the background.
I'm still shocked at how often today traditional venture sovereign funds, traditional pension funds are not being aggressive enough in exposing it to frontier AI wealth creation.
Shows that even insiders are frustrated by institutional inertia at a time of unprecedented opportunity.

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