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Why Does The Female Orgasm Exist? - Dr Robert King
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Why Does The Female Orgasm Exist? - Dr Robert King

Chris Williamson
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TL;DR

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TL;DR

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Female orgasm is not a functionless byproduct; it has an adaptive reproductive role via oxytocin-mediated peristalsis that reduces sperm backflow by 15–20%, increasing fertility.

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The strongest predictors of female orgasm are partner scent (genetic compatibility), sexual dominance combined with considerateness, and deep penetrative vigor—not height, wealth, or muscularity.

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Female intra‑sexual competition operates through subtle signals like venting, fake orgasms, and the recurring ‘dark romance’ genre, challenging the view of women as sexually passive.

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The orgasm gap and women’s orgasm variability are expressions of female choice and pickiness, not a design flaw; hormonal contraception likely suppresses orgasm but this remains critically under‑studied.

Protocols

Concrete recipes — what, when, how much, and why

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Screen partners via natural scent

WhatUse a partner’s natural body odour as a proxy for genetic compatibility, especially in early courtship.
WhenBefore committing to a sexual relationship; ideally before artificial fragrances mask natural scent.
For whomWomen seeking a sexually satisfying and possibly reproductive relationship.
WhyAttractive partner smell was the single largest predictor of female orgasm in King’s studies, likely reflecting MHC immune‑gene compatibility.
CaveatsSubjective; cultural norms around washing and perfumes can obscure the cue. Also not the sole factor—dominance and consideration matter independently.

King’s team asked women to compare different sexual partners and rate predictors of orgasm. Smell had the largest effect size, surpassing muscularity, height, or conventional good looks. This aligns with a large body of research on olfactory cues in mate choice across species. The finding suggests that women’s orgasms are not purely about technique or emotional connection but about deep biological matching. He interprets this as evidence that the orgasm is an evolved mechanism to detect genetic quality, and that ignoring smell in modern dating misses a critical channel of information.

Mechanism

Major histocompatibility complex (MHC) genes produce unique body odours that, when dissimilar, signal complementary immune systems. Orgasm may act as an unconscious assay of this compatibility, reinforcing pair choices that produce healthier offspring.

The biggest one we found was attractive partner smell… none of these are huge effect sizes but… it was the largest effect size and that's interesting because it suggests that the the biggest predictor is something to do with genetic compatibility.

Also said
“That's how we're advertising our genetic compatibility to each other with uh with smell.”— Directly links smell to evolutionary signalling.

Combine sexual dominance with considerateness

WhatMen should express confident, guiding sexual behaviour while remaining attuned and caring toward their partner’s comfort.
WhenThroughout sexual encounters, particularly in heterosexual contexts.
For whomMen who want to increase their partner’s likelihood of orgasm.
WhyBoth dominance and considerateness emerged as independent, synergistic predictors of female orgasm; together they provide excitement without threat.
CaveatsDominance must not cross into coercion or disregard for consent; considerateness alone without confidence may be perceived as passivity.

When King’s team analysed partner predictors, they were surprised that two traits that seem opposite—sexual dominance and considerateness—both emerged as significant. King resolves this by arguing that dominance signals genetic fitness and the ability to provide, while considerateness signals investment and lowers the woman’s guard. The combination allows a woman to surrender to the experience without fearing exploitation. This insight also explains the appeal of the ‘dark romance’ fantasy: a dominant man who is ultimately safe and commits. He contrasts this with purely physically attractive traits like muscularity, which did not predict orgasm in their data, suggesting women discriminate between mere aesthetics and behavioural qualities.

Dominance… sexual dominance and also at the same time considerateness. So those things might seem to be pulling in opposite directions but I I actually don't think they are.

Also said
“We also asked a raft of the sort of usual bunch of questions that evolutionists ask about things like muscularity and um uh that kind of stuff and none of that came out.”— Shows that conventional male attractiveness markers were not predictive.

Prioritise girth over length during penetrative sex

WhatFocus on providing thick, girthy stimulation rather than merely deep thrusting, as girth stimulates the clitoral bulbs more effectively.
WhenDuring vaginal intercourse.
For whomMen aiming to increase female pleasure.
WhyIn surveys, women consistently rated girth as more important for pleasure, and anatomically, thickness presses against the internal structures of the clitoris.
CaveatsIndividual anatomy and preferences vary; communication with partner is essential.

King references the human penis’s relatively large girth compared to other primates, noting that bonobos are long but not thick, while chimps have huge testicles but smaller penises. Human sexual selection, he argues, has favoured thickness because it provides the stimulation needed for female orgasm. He contrasts this with the ‘baby‑head’ hypothesis (that the penis had to enlarge to match a larger vagina), which he rejects in his book for comparative reasons. Instead, girth functions as a fitness signal—erectile quality and thickness both require cardiovascular health—and as a direct pleasure‑giving mechanism that likely underpins female choice.

Mechanism

The clitoris is a large (≈4 inch) internal organ with bulbs that become engorged during arousal. Penile girth creates tension and pressure across these bulbs and the clitoral glands, which are rich in nerve endings. This mechanical stimulation is thought to facilitate both surface and deep orgasms.

We asked women about girth and girth was the thing that they prized the most. That seems to be generally true that it is seems to be thickness rather than length.

If trying to conceive, have the female orgasm after insemination

WhatEnsure the woman reaches orgasm during or after male ejaculation to reduce sperm backflow and increase retention.
WhenWithin the hour following intercourse, ideally with deep orgasm.
DoseOne orgasm (more may be beneficial, but not tested).
For whomCouples trying to conceive.
WhyKing’s backflow experiment showed a 15–20% reduction in sperm‑like material expelled when the woman orgasmed, and oxytocin’s effects persist, meaning an orgasm after ejaculation still helps.
CaveatsThe study used artificial inseminate; natural timing is harder to control because men often ejaculate before female orgasm. However, because oxytocin‑mediated pressure changes last, a later orgasm may still be effective. This is not a guaranteed fertility treatment but a speculative protocol grounded in data.

King acknowledges the difficulty of studying natural sperm movement ethically and practically. His team’s method provided a controlled, replicable demonstration of backflow reduction. He distances this finding from Baker and Bellis’s sperm‑competition model, which posited that women time orgasm to favour one man’s sperm over another’s. That model required an instantaneous insuck effect and failed to replicate. King’s model is simpler: orgasm boosts fertility in absolute terms, regardless of multiple partners. He also notes that female orgasm during casual sex is less common, which may be a protective mechanism to avoid pregnancy with lower‑quality partners.

Mechanism

Orgasm releases oxytocin, which causes rhythmic uterine peristalsis. These contractions create an inward flow, reducing the amount of semen that drips back out. The effect persists as long as oxytocin levels are elevated, not just during the orgasmic peak. In the experiment, fewer inseminate remnants were collected in a moon cup after one hour when the woman had orgasmed.

Up to an hour after sex… 15 to 20% less comes out if she's had an orgasm.

Also said
“Orgasm creates a big flow of oxytocin… it has the same effect and we've known about this in humans for 50 years.”— Links the modern backflow finding to the Foxes’ oxytocin research.
“Once oxytocin levels are raised then it looks like those pressure changes are actually persist for quite a while.”— Supports the timing flexibility of this protocol.

Use orgasm as a personal mate‑quality assay

WhatWomen should notice their own orgasm patterns with a particular partner as a potential unconscious signal of his compatibility and fitness, rather than attributing difficulties solely to technique or psychology.
WhenWhen evaluating a sexual relationship, especially in early stages.
For whomWomen who want to understand their own sexual response as meaningful rather than broken.
WhyOrgasm is a complex mind‑body event that integrates multiple signals of partner quality; its presence or absence can reflect underlying genetic and behavioural compatibility.
CaveatsMany factors can inhibit orgasm (medication, stress, cultural messaging, lack of arousal, alcohol). This is not a diagnostic test but a heuristic. It does not replace medical consultation for sexual dysfunction.

Throughout the conversation, King positions female orgasm as an evolved discrimination mechanism. The difficulty some women have orgasming is not a pathology of womanhood or nature, but a reflection of female choice operating as a filter. He points to cultural suppression of female orgasm—from clitoridectomy to guilt‑based advice like ‘lie back and think of England’—which he frames as intra‑sexual interference tactics. Therefore, a woman’s orgasm difficulties may reflect a poor match or environmental barriers, not personal failure. This protocol encourages women to reframe their experience as information, potentially motivating them to pay closer attention to the predictors (smell, dominance, considerateness, penetrative vigour) when choosing and evaluating partners.

Its supposed inefficiencies… the orgasm gap… and all the rest of it are really just they're signifiers that that women are being picky. Uh they're not being coy. They're just uh they're extremely picky and that's reflected in all of their behaviors.

Also said
“Lying back and think of England is actually a sexual interference strategy.”— Example of cultural suppression as intra‑sexual manoeuvre.

What's new

Personal practice updates, fresh positions, predictions

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The byproduct theory of female orgasm is based on a factual error

The idea that female orgasm is a spandrel—a useless byproduct like male nipples—rests on a misunderstanding of clitoral anatomy propagated by Stephen Jay Gould and Elizabeth Lloyd. The clitoris is a large (≈4 inch) internal organ with its own sensory cortex, not a miniature external nub.

Why this matters: Overturns a dominant evolutionary narrative that has shaped decades of public and scientific discourse, portraying the female orgasm as functionless.

Background

Starting in the 1970s with Donald Symons and amplified by Gould, the byproduct model argued that the clitoris was small, external, and functionless, analogous to a male nipple. This allowed the claim that orgasm through penetrative sex is virtually impossible, reinforcing the idea that female sexuality is ‘badly designed’.

King traces the lineage from Symons through Gould to Lloyd. Gould’s famous ‘spandrels of San Marcos’ paper argued that certain traits are architectural byproducts, not adaptations. He applied this to female orgasm to block what he saw as dangerous sociobiological thinking. However, King points out that by the 1990s detailed anatomical knowledge made the byproduct claim untenable, yet it persisted because Gould was a prominent defender of evolution in politically charged US debates. His followers were willing to overlook the factual errors to avoid applying evolutionary theory to humans. King adds that Gould even misnamed the architectural features—they are pendentives, not spandrels, and in fact they are integral to the structure, undermining the entire analogy. This historical debunking sets the stage for a functional account.

Personal experience

King’s own entry into the field came from reading Elizabeth Lloyd’s book while on holiday in Thailand. As a former schoolteacher with no background in the field, he was shocked that a whole scientific tradition could be so wrong, prompting him to delve into original research.

The structures in question aren't even called spandrels. Um uh they're called penditives. Uh and in fact they are integral to the structure.

Also said
“He championed this idea that uh that female orgasm was a byproduct and then Elizabeth lawy was was his sort of protege and colleague and so her book was the one I read.”— Establishes the direct lineage from Gould to the book that sparked King’s career.
“By the time we got to the 1990s, it, you know, it really wasn't possible to believe that. However, the idea had sort of taken root.”— Highlights how disproven ideas continue through cultural inertia.

Female orgasms fall into two broad phenomenological categories: surface and deep

When women describe their orgasms without being forced into ‘clitoral vs vaginal’, two clusters emerge: intense surface orgasms and deep internal orgasms associated with oxytocin‑related feelings like floatiness, trust, and breath apnea.

Why this matters: Moves beyond the Freudian and Masters‑and‑Johnson dichotomy that has bedevilled sexology, pointing toward distinct physiological signatures without ranking one as superior.

Background

Freud’s distinction between ‘immature’ clitoral and ‘mature’ vaginal orgasm was long used to pathologise women. Masters and Johnson attempted to refute it by claiming all orgasms involve the clitoris. King’s team wanted a fresh empirical start, so they asked women open‑endedly and then built a questionnaire that avoided loaded anatomical labels.

Factor analysis of the questionnaire responses revealed two patterns: orgasms experienced ‘on the surface’ (more intense, sharp) and those experienced ‘deep inside’ (often during penetration, co‑occurring with breath‑holding, feelings of floating, and trust). The team did not measure oxytocin directly, but these deep‑orgasm concomitants match oxytocin’s known effects. This suggests that deep orgasms may be especially potent for pair‑bonding and sperm transport. Importantly, women themselves did not rank one type as better, and some individuals experience both. This provides a framework for understanding why different sexual acts yield different orgasmic experiences and how each might carry distinct functional consequences, without imposing a normative hierarchy.

The ones experienced on the surface which tended to be more intense and ones that were experienced deep inside which seem to have more of the oxytocin elements.

Also said
“We were very very careful to stay away from those things… all female orgasms seem to involve the clitoris in some way.”— Contextualises why they rejected old categories.
“We weren't going down that route… there are some sort of neoidian scholars who want to sort of argue that like Freud did that certain orgasms are more mature.”— Shows the team’s deliberate avoidance of Freudian value judgements.

Women’s romantic fiction follows a recurring, disguised ‘dark romance’ pattern that society repeatedly moralises over

Every generation a sexually explicit book penned by a woman (often anonymously) features a dominant male tamed by commitment, strong BDSM themes, and a title like ‘Mr Grey’; society decries it as patriarchal, then a female author reveals herself, only for the cycle to repeat with the next novel.

Why this matters: Reveals a stable, cross‑generational female fantasy structure that mainstream discourse repeatedly fails to integrate, instead treating each occurrence as an aberration.

Background

From Anaïs Nin’s Delta Venus, through Emmanuelle, Story of O, Nine and a Half Weeks, Secretary, up to Fifty Shades of Grey, the pattern is consistent. Each is commercially huge, often adapted into films, and initially met with moral panic.

King argues that these books reflect a genuine, widespread female desire for a sexually dominant yet ultimately committing partner, channelled into fantasy. The public response follows a predictable script: the work is anonymous, critics decry it as internalised patriarchy, then the female author steps forward and the furore subsides—until the next iteration. He suggests this pattern persists because acknowledging it openly would undercut women’s real‑world signalling strategies; women need to distinguish between ‘safe’ dominance and dangerous aggression, and openly endorsing the fantasy could give the wrong men a green light. This ‘disguised’ quality is itself adaptive. The host adds that attempts to replace these dark romance archetypes with ‘cinnamon roll’ or ‘golden retriever’ husband narratives have failed commercially, indicating the fantasy is robust to ideological sanitisation.

Personal experience

Chris Williamson shares that he worked summers for years as a cover model for dark romance novels, observing how publishers would fly male models to conventions to boost sales. The ‘non‑dominant’ model stands did not sell.

Roughly every every generation the same book basically gets published… it's always written anonymously by a woman… and each time one of these books comes out, people go ‘Oh my god, you know, this is a woman being subjected to the evils of the patriarchy’… and a woman comes out and goes ‘No, I wrote this’.

Also said
“We keep on pretending that we don't. … we just keep doing this to ourselves as a species.”— Captures the social amnesia around this pattern.
“My student… was appalled at the behavior of the female staff who were following him around the school, spying on him.”— Anecdotal illustration of female desire triggered by fame and archetype, not raw looks.

Fake orgasm is a multi‑audience sexual signal, not merely a way to end sex

Women fake orgasm to signal attachment and exclusivity to the male partner, to dissuade rival females, and to manipulate investment—paralleling patterns found in fake laughter.

Why this matters: Reframes fake orgasm from a benign ‘sparing feelings’ act to a competitive intra‑sexual tactic with strategic functions, undermining the assumption that sex is purely cooperative.

Background

Common explanations—boredom, wanting sex to end, pity—are superficial. They don’t explain why men care about the signal or why women go to such lengths when they usually have no trouble rejecting men.

King draws an analogy with Athena Aktipis’s work on fake laughter: laughter is a signal of acceptance and dominance; people fake it to gain those benefits. Similarly, an orgasm signal can imply ‘I am bonded to you’ or ‘you have impregnated me’, motivating investment or mate‑guarding. But the signal isn’t only for the man—audible orgasm noises also broadcast to other women that this man is now attached, warding off rivals. King was planning a collaboration to analyse acoustic features (voiced vs unvoiced) in orgasm sounds, analogous to research showing voiced laughs are more likely to be fake. This lens reveals sex as a semi‑public act embedded in social competition, not a private cooperative exchange.

Personal experience

King recounts being 19 with a new girlfriend when an older female friend asked at a pub, ‘How do you know if she’s not faking with you?’ The entire table—except him—erupted in laughter, revealing a shared understanding he lacked. The host also notes that women often believe men sit around talking about sex in detail, which they don’t.

You're not just signaling to the guy. Um you you could also be signaling to people around. You know, this guy is now attached to me.

Also said
“Laughter can be faked… you can actually you can look at the sound pattern of laughter being faked and um basically if it's voiced it's it's more likely to be fake.”— Sets up the acoustic parallel for orgasm vocalisations.
“Why would somebody want to think that… that they orgasmed when they haven't? Well… you have got a good chance of making this person pregnant, therefore you should invest.”— Spells out the investment motive for deceiving a partner.

Recommendations

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Your Brain on Birth Control

Book

King mentions reading up on hormonal contraception’s effects on attraction and likely orgasm, citing this book by Sarah Hill as a source.

Although King hasn’t studied hormonal birth control’s direct impact on orgasm in his own lab, he suspects it must have an effect and regards this as a gap in the literature. He mentions Hill’s book as part of his self‑education on the topic. The host notes that millions of women start hormonal contraception before becoming sexually active, potentially normalising a suppressed sexual response for decades.

It might be your brain on the pill. It's your brain. This is your brain on birth control by Sarah Hill.

Also said
“I would be very surprised if it doesn't [affect orgasm] and I think it's a real gap in the data.”— Underlines the importance of this line of inquiry.
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Naturally Selective

Book Sponsored · disclosed

King summarises his years of research into the evolution of female orgasm, challenging byproduct theories and presenting a functional account.

DisclosureWritten by the expert himself, Dr Robert King.

The book covers the history of sex research, the anatomy of the clitoris, the oxytocin mechanism, the politics of evolutionary psychology, and cultural manifestations of female desire. It draws on King’s own studies and the broader literature.

vs alternatives

Contrasts with Gould/Lloyd’s byproduct narrative and with Masters and Johnson’s oversimplifications, offering a more nuanced and evidence‑based alternative.

I've got the book. Um, it's called Naturally Selective.

Also said
“I've got chapters in the book that are obviously devoted to to looking at the nature and structure and form and function, all the rest of it.”— Indicates the book’s scope.
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Dr. Tatiana’s Sex Advice to All Creation

Book Sponsored · disclosed

King recommends this book as a witty, accessible introduction to evolutionary biology of sex, emphasising that female choice is the key driver in primates.

DisclosureWritten by evolutionary biologist Olivia Judson, who was a mentor to King.

Written as an agony aunt column for animals, it explains bizarre mating behaviours from praying mantises to humans through the lens of evolutionary theory. King credits Judson’s thesis—‘the battle of the sexes is eternal, insoluble, and inevitable’—with shaping his perspective and encouraging him to see female orgasm through the lens of female choice.

vs alternatives

More engaging and humorous than typical academic texts, while still scientifically rigorous.

Personal experience

King says Olivia Judson was a mentor who taught him a lot of evolutionary biology early in his career.

She's written a book which I recommend to everyone. It was called Dr. Tatiana's sex advice to the whole of creation.

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Notable quotes

Lines worth pulling out — contrarian, specific, or perfectly phrased

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The structures in question aren't even called spandrels. Um uh they're called pendentives. Uh and in fact they are integral to the structure.
Devastating factual takedown of Stephen Jay Gould’s iconic metaphor, showing the entire byproduct argument was built on a misidentified feature.
Women need to que off one another because what counts as being success in the local environment is not always immediately obvious, whereas what counts as being fertile in the local environment is obvious.
Succinct explanation of why female mate‑choice copying and intra‑sexual competition are more social and subtle than male competition.
Venting is gossip disguised as compassion.
Pithy definition from the host that King endorses, crystallising a key female intra‑sexual tactic.
Lie back and think of England is actually a sexual interference strategy.
Reframes a famous cultural injunction as a deliberate tactic by rival women to suppress other women’s sexuality.
The battle of the sexes is eternal, insoluble, and inevitable. So, you know, we need to sort of accept it and and sort of live with it and move on.
Powerful framing from Judson that King quotes, setting the unvarnished evolutionary tone of the whole discussion.

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