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Exercise Scientist Tests Personal Training at a Big Box Gym- Worth the Money?
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Exercise Scientist Tests Personal Training at a Big Box Gym- Worth the Money?

Mike Israetel
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TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

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TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

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Mike Israetel undergoes a personal training evaluation at Powerhouse Gym in Novi, Michigan, with trainer Rea, testing the entire intake, body scan, movement assessment, and sales process of a big box gym.

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He praises the intake for being short and focusing on goals and availability, the InBody scan as a rough but useful overview tool for general population, and the movement screen for safely gauging basic strength, movement competence, and joint issues without intimidation.

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He critiques the aggressive sales pitch and recommends a 90‑day commitment model: enough time to see results and build rapport, with a re‑sell at the 60‑day mark when the client is already buying into the process; the trainer’s core job is coaching, not selling.

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Overall, personal training at a big box gym is worth the money if you find a committed, knowledgeable trainer and are ready to dedicate the time—prices tend to be lower than boutique studios, and you learn to work out, spot yourself, and program.

Protocols

Concrete recipes — what, when, how much, and why

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Client intake: ask goals and availability first, keep it under a few minutes

WhatBegin every first session by asking what the client wants to achieve and how many days per week they can realistically train, then move quickly to assessment.
WhenAt the very start of the initial consultation, before any physical testing.
DoseKeep the conversation to a few minutes; avoid lengthy questionnaires.
For whomAll new personal training clients, especially beginners.
WhyAligns the program with the client’s lifestyle and prevents mismatched expectations. A client who wants a drastic change but can only come once a week needs to know that’s not feasible.
CaveatsDon’t skip the question about availability—Mike calls it ‘massive.’

Mike highlights that Rea used humor to keep the intake light while still extracting the crucial data: goals (get shredded at 200 lb), weight, diet, daily schedule, and work situation. By doing it fast, the trainer signaled professionalism and respect for the client’s time. This also allowed Rea to immediately tailor the training frequency recommendation (5 days instead of the standard 2‑3) based on the client’s flexible schedule, rather than giving generic advice. Mike sees this as a teachable moment for all trainers: the intake is not about data collection—it’s about building the foundation for a realistic, custom plan.

Personal experience

Mike notes, ‘Rea did a great job with the initial intake… obviously a bit of humor… but it's really good that he's asking questions about availability and about goals.’ He approves as a former trainer.

What do you want out of the process? And what can you do? Because sometimes those two don't line up. I want the body of my dreams, but I want to train once a week. Not going to happen.

Also said
“He also did an awesome thing, which is keeping it nice and short. He gone through it fast. We got to the assessment quick, which I thought was awesome.”— Emphasizes the time component.

Use InBody or similar BIA for rough initial body composition snapshot, not for fine tracking

WhatHave the client step on a bioelectrical impedance machine at the start to get a general body fat, muscle mass, and visceral fat estimate.
WhenDuring the initial evaluation, before the workout screen.
DoseOne scan at the beginning; optionally repeat every few months for a trend, but not weekly.
For whomGeneral population clients; less useful for very lean or highly muscular individuals.
WhyProvides a cheap, fast, non‑invasive starting picture. For someone at high body fat, a rough number is enough to communicate the need for change.
CaveatsAccuracy is ±6‑7% body fat; not designed for bodybuilders or the extremely lean. For precise tracking, use a DEXA scan once or twice a year.

Mike calls the InBody ‘decent accuracy and reliability, but nothing great.’ He stresses that for most people, the machine’s value is giving a wake‑up number that motivates action. He categorically states it is not designed for people like him and that his team’s concurrent DEXA results will show a large discrepancy. He recommends that trainers use the scan to start a conversation about body composition trends, not to dictate weekly programming adjustments. For clients who want to monitor progress precisely, he suggests one or two DEXA scans per year as a superior alternative.

Mechanism

BIA sends a small electrical current through the body; impedance varies with water and tissue composition. However, Mike doesn’t elaborate on the mechanism beyond noting its limited accuracy.

Personal experience

Mike says, ‘we have DEXA results we're getting roughly the same time of this video. They're going to look a lot different and the DEX is the gold standard.’ He uses his own body to illustrate the tool’s weakness for muscular people.

So, for the general public, the purpose of the BIA here just to give them a really rough assessment. I mean, it's going to be accurate of plus or minus 6 or 7% body fat. If you're coming in and people generally know that, you know, when they're getting 40% body fat numbers, that paints the picture. You got to get in shape.

Also said
“If you want to use the BAA to track your progress over months and weeks, there's probably better alternatives like the DEXA, which if you get one or two Dexases a year, will tell you everything you need to know about your body.”— Offers the specific substitute and frequency for precise tracking.

Movement screen with light compound exercises: hinge, row, squat

WhatHave the client perform a hip hinge (with or without light dumbbells), a supported dumbbell row, and a goblet squat with a light weight, focusing on form and cue responsiveness.
WhenImmediately after the body composition scan, before any program design.
DoseEnough sets to observe movement quality—usually one to two working sets per pattern, keeping load very light (e.g., 15‑lb dumbbells).
For whomAll new clients, especially those who are older, deconditioned, or have reported previous injuries.
WhyReveals baseline strength, movement competence, coachability, and any joint pain or dysfunction without intimidating or injuring the client.
CaveatsDo not use heavy loads, rep‑max tests, or high‑intensity cardio. The goal is safe observation, not performance measurement.

Mike breaks the screen into three diagnostic layers: 1) basic strength—if the back rounds with 15 lb, the client has a serious strength deficit that demands regressed exercises; 2) movement competence—has the client ever moved like this before, or is everything unfamiliar?; 3) coachability—can the client internalize verbal and visual cues and adjust in real time? He also highlights the safety advantage: by not pushing the client to a max or making them run, you reduce the risk of injury and the psychological dropout that follows a brutal first session. A client who passes the screen with no pain, even if older and out of shape, is a great candidate for a general strength program.

Mechanism

The screen acts as a functional lens into neuromuscular coordination, joint integrity, and strength thresholds. A weak core will cause back rounding in the hinge; poor hip mobility or fear will show in the squat; shoulder issues will surface during rows. Cue responsiveness reflects the client’s motor learning capacity and communication style.

Personal experience

Mike relates, ‘I've trained some folks with less athleticism than me. Trust me when I say that that is very little athleticism for those folks. You have to go and build fundamental movement patterns just like the ones Arya was training and testing.’

He used movements that are not super challenging, that are not super dangerous, that don't require a gazillion insights and coordination and super athletic performance, but they give you a situational awareness of two things. One, basic strength. … Thing one is have you done this stuff before and do you know how to move your body? And thing two is how good are you at taking cues and adjusting to the demands of the task.

Also said
“Sometimes in assessments, they'll have you do like rep maxes or have you run on a treadmill for a while. That's a real dumb idea because it can intimidate you away from the gym and it can get you hurt. We just need to see how do you move.”— Directly forbids the common alternative and justifies the low‑intensity approach.

Sell personal training in three‑month blocks, re‑approach at the 60‑day mark

WhatOffer clients a 90‑day training package (approximately 60 sessions for 5x/week) and at day 60, ask if they want to renew for another 90 days to maintain momentum.
WhenInitial sale at the conclusion of the evaluation; renewal conversation around session 30‑40 (day 60).
Dose90‑day commitment initially; subsequent 90‑day extensions.
For whomPersonal trainers in commercial gyms and clients who are motivated but need structure.
WhyThree months provides enough time to see physical results and build a trusting relationship. Renewing at day 60 secures commitment before the package ends, when the client is already feeling positive changes.
CaveatsAvoid selling only a single month (unrealistic expectations) or a full year upfront (intimidating, high dropout risk). Don't sell at day 90 when the contract lapses; sell when the client is in a positive emotional state from recent progress.

Mike’s logic is behavioral: 21 days to build a habit, 90 days to create a lifestyle, as Rea mentioned. Physically, a beginner can see measurable changes in strength, body composition, and mood by week 8. Psychologically, by day 60 the trainer has become a trusted partner, and the client’s identity begins shifting toward ‘someone who works out.’ That’s the moment of least resistance for a renewal conversation. Mike strongly anchors this in ethics, reminding trainers that the entire purpose is to help the client, not to maximize immediate revenue. He shares an anecdote of a $10,000 upfront sale in New York City to illustrate that while it’s possible, it’s rare and not the model to emulate for most.

Personal experience

'I used to sell personal training in New York City and I watched a guy get his credit card out. He just paid $10,000 for like a year of personal training. Sight unseen, just gave us his AMX. That happens, but it's super unlikely.'

I like to shoot for the middle. That three month commitment, 90 days … Here's what happens in 90 days as you're training the person. Two things. One, they start to get results. By day 60, they're feeling different. They're looking different. And two, you develop a relationship with them. … At day 60 you're like, 'Dude, how do you liking it?' They're like, 'I love this.' Be like, 'Listen, do you want to book another 90 days now just to get it out of the way so we have full momentum when we're looking ahead?'

Also said
“Your job as a trainer is not to make sales ever. Your job as a trainer is get people in the shapes of their lives with reasonable prices and awesome commitment.”— Frames the entire sales protocol as a servant‑leader approach, not a revenue tactic.

For ambitious body composition goals, program 5 training days per week from the start

WhatIf a client wants a dramatic transformation and has ample free time, prescribe five weekly sessions instead of the typical beginner 2‑3.
WhenRight after the intake and assessment, when setting the schedule.
Dose5 days per week, each session with the trainer (if budget allows) or a mix of trainer‑supervised and self‑directed sessions.
For whomClients with large physique goals (e.g., lose significant fat, build substantial muscle) who have the time and no major recovery issues.
WhyHigh goals require high volume and frequency to drive muscle growth, fat loss, and skill acquisition quickly.
CaveatsEnsure the client is truthful about their availability; a client who can actually only do 3 days will burn out or quit. Also, ramp up volume gradually to avoid injury.

Rea originally says 2‑3 days for new people, but upon learning the client has no work demands and a specific aesthetic goal, he adjusts to 5 days. Mike endorses this flexibility as a sign of good coaching—standard templates are a starting point, not a cage. He implies that training frequency is one of the strongest drivers of early progress, particularly for motor learning and energy expenditure, and that a client who can handle it should be challenged appropriately.

Normally with newer people, I'm going to say, 'Hey, you can go around 2, three days a week. Just start.' for your situation. You got huge aspirations. I'm going to tell you, hey, you got to come in here at least 5 days.

Also said
“I love the fact that he said, 'Usually we start beginners out of two, three days a week.' But when I told him I wanted to be like the the rebirth of Ronnie Coleman or whatever, he said, 'Okay, you know, then 5 days a week is super logical.' I thought that intake process was great.”— Shows Mike’s explicit approval of the adaptive frequency recommendation.

Prioritize whole foods over protein shakes and bars

WhatEncourage clients to build their diet around whole foods rather than relying on protein supplements and processed bars.
WhenDuring nutrition coaching, especially with beginners who often over‑consume convenience supplements.
DoseOngoing dietary pattern, not a timed dose.
For whomClients looking to lose fat and gain muscle, especially those who eat many protein bars and shakes as meal replacements.
WhyWhole foods provide greater satiety, micronutrient density, and better adherence for body composition goals.
CaveatsNot a ban on supplements; shakes and bars can still be used occasionally, but should not dominate the diet.

When Mike tells Rea his diet currently consists of ‘protein shakes, protein bars, mega fit meals,’ Rea immediately pushes back, saying he prefers clients to stick away from so many shakes and bars and orient toward whole foods. Mike later, in his commentary, doesn’t elaborate further but implicitly endorses the advice as sound. The mention is brief, reflecting a standard evidence‑based position: whole foods have higher thermic effect of feeding, greater micronutrient profiles, and are harder to overconsume than liquid or highly processed alternatives.

First thing I would say is I generally like to stick away so much from protein shakes, protein bars. I look for more of a whole foods diet.

What's new

Personal practice updates, fresh positions, predictions

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Intake process for personal training should be short and centered on goals and availability

Rea quickly asked about prior gym experience, specific goals, and weekly availability, then moved straight to assessment. Mike argues this efficiency builds rapport and respects the client's time.

Why this matters: Many trainers over‑complicate the intake or skip goal/availability alignment; this concise approach is a model for corporate gyms.

Background

Traditional intakes can involve long questionnaires and medical history reviews that delay the workout. Mike highlights that the two most critical filters are what the client wants and what they can realistically do weekly.

Mike emphasizes that mismatched expectations kill retention: a client aiming for a drastic transformation who can only train once a week is set up for failure. By asking about availability right after goals, Rea was able to intelligently recommend 5 days per week instead of the usual 2‑3 for beginners, because the client had ample free time. Keeping the whole exchange under a few minutes made the experience feel professional and not like a sales interrogation. Mike sees this as a best practice that all trainers should adopt—fast, goal‑driven, and respectful.

Personal experience

As a former trainer, Mike recalls that lengthy intakes often bored or intimidated new clients; he admires the brevity here.

Rea did a great job with the initial intake. Obviously, a bit of humor there on both of our accounts, but it's really good that he's asking questions about availability and about goals. That's massive. Those are the two things that are super important. What do you want out of the process? And what can you do? Because sometimes those two don't line up.

Also said
“He also did an awesome thing, which is keeping it nice and short. He gone through it fast. We got to the assessment quick, which I thought was awesome.”— Adds that brevity is a deliberate, praised component, not just the content of the questions.

InBody scan is useful for general population but inaccurate for very lean/muscular individuals

Mike explains that the InBody bioelectrical impedance (BIA) machine has a large error margin (~6‑7% body fat) and was not designed for people with his muscularity and leanness; however, for the average gym‑goer, it gives a fast, cheap, and adequate rough picture.

Why this matters: Many clients and trainers treat BIA readings as gospel. Mike’s direct ‘it’s not designed for me’ perspective, backed by upcoming DEXA data, sets realistic expectations for the tool’s role.

Background

InBody and similar BIA devices are standard in corporate gyms. Their convenience leads to over‑interpretation of small changes, which Mike warns against.

Mike stresses that the primary value is giving an untrained person a starting point—if the machine says 40% body fat, the message ‘you need to get in shape’ is clear, regardless of precision. He contrasts this with a DEXA scan, which he considers the gold standard and recommends using once or twice a year if precise tracking is desired. For week‑to‑week progress, he implies that BIA fluctuations are too noisy to be meaningful, and the client is better off focusing on performance, appearance, and how clothes fit. The trainer’s job is to interpret the number as a rough guide, not a strict metric.

Personal experience

Mike reveals that he and his team have DEXA results timed with this video that will look ‘a lot different’ from the InBody reading, proving the discrepancy for his body type.

The BA machine has a decent accuracy and reliability, but nothing great. So it probably uh isn't designed, actually, I know for a fact it's not designed for people of my muscularity and leanness because we have DEXA results we're getting roughly the same time of this video. They're going to look a lot different and the DEX is the gold standard.

Also said
“For the general public, the purpose of the BIA here just to give them a really rough assessment. I mean, it's going to be accurate of plus or minus 6 or 7% body fat. If you're coming in and people generally know that, you know, when they're getting 40% body fat numbers, that paints the picture. You got to get in shape.”— Quantifies the error and explains why the tool still works for untrained individuals.
“If you want to use the BAA to track your progress over months and weeks, there's probably better alternatives like the DEXA, which if you get one or two Dexases a year, will tell you everything you need to know about your body.”— Offers the replacement protocol for clients who want accurate tracking.

Recommendations

Products, supplements, and tools mentioned in the episode

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InBody (or equivalent BIA body composition scanner)

Tool

Rea uses the InBody machine as part of the standard evaluation. Mike evaluates its utility: it’s a quick, cheap, and painless method to get a rough body composition snapshot for the general public, though not precise for very lean or muscular individuals.

Mike positions the InBody as a practical screening tool rather than a precise measurement device. He notes its ±6‑7% body fat error and acknowledges it wasn’t designed for his body type. However, he recommends it for the typical beginner because a high body fat reading creates immediate awareness. He does not endorse it for tracking weekly progress; for that, he suggests DEXA. The machine is part of the standard assessment at many corporate gyms, and Mike thinks it serves that purpose well when expectations are managed.

vs alternatives

Compared to DEXA (gold standard but expensive and less accessible) and skinfold calipers (require skilled technician), BIA is faster, cheaper, and more accessible, making it ideal for a first‑session baseline. But for clients who want true accuracy, DEXA is the superior choice.

Personal experience

Mike trusts his concurrent DEXA results more, implying he wouldn’t rely on the InBody for his own tracking.

For the general public, the purpose of the BIA here just to give them a really rough assessment. I mean, it's going to be accurate of plus or minus 6 or 7% body fat.

Also said
“If you want to use the BAA to track your progress over months and weeks, there's probably better alternatives like the DEXA, which if you get one or two Dexases a year, will tell you everything you need to know about your body.”— Provides the specific alternative and frequency for those who need better accuracy.
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DEXA scan (dual‑energy X‑ray absorptiometry)

Tool

Mentioned as the gold‑standard body composition measurement tool, superior to BIA. Mike recommends getting one or two scans per year if precise tracking is desired.

Mike brings up DEXA to contrast with the InBody, not as a tool he used in this evaluation but as the benchmark. He states his team is getting DEXA results concurrently, implying it’s his preferred method. For someone serious about tracking body composition changes over months, DEXA removes the noise inherent to BIA. However, he doesn’t suggest it’s necessary for the average gym‑goer; it’s an upgrade for those who want accuracy.

vs alternatives

Compared to BIA, DEXA is far more accurate for regional body composition and bone density, but it costs more and requires a specialized facility, so it’s not a first‑session tool at most corporate gyms.

Personal experience

Mike notes that his DEXA results will look ‘a lot different’ from the InBody, using himself as evidence of BIA’s limitations for muscular individuals.

the DEX is the gold standard. … if you get one or two Dexases a year, will tell you everything you need to know about your body.

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Personal training with Rea at Powerhouse Gym Novi

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After the evaluation, Mike gives a direct endorsement: ‘This is my buddy Ar. Met him at Powerhouse Gym when I was training here a little while ago. He's aing awesome guy. He's a personal trainer. If you're in the Metro Detroit area, you want a really good trainer, REA is the guy to go to.’

DisclosureMike explicitly states Rea is his buddy whom he met while training at Powerhouse Gym; he promotes him as a great trainer and provides his Instagram.

Mike’s endorsement is based on his own interactions and the observed training session. He praises Rea’s intake, assessment choices, cuing, and professional demeanor. While it’s a friendship‑based recommendation, Mike is transparent about the relationship, so the viewer can weigh the bias accordingly. He also notes that Powerhouse Gym offers amenities like a basketball court. The recommendation is geographically specific (Metro Detroit) and includes Rea’s Instagram for direct contact.

vs alternatives

Compared to anonymous big‑box trainers, Rea is personally vetted by Mike, which reduces the risk of getting an incompetent coach. But it’s still a single trainer at a specific gym, not a nationwide service.

Personal experience

Mike trained at Powerhouse Gym previously and met Rea there. The whole video serves as a test of Rea’s skills, and Mike concludes he’s a ‘really good trainer.’

If you're in the Metro Detroit area, you want a really good trainer, REA is the guy to go to. Powerhouse Gym Novi, find him there. He's also got an Instagram. You can contact him through that.

Also said
“This is my buddy Ar. Met him at Powerhouse Gym when I was training here a little while ago. He's aing awesome guy. He's a personal trainer.”— Discloses the personal connection and the basis of the endorsement.
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Notable quotes

Lines worth pulling out — contrarian, specific, or perfectly phrased

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I want to be 200 lb. Shredded absolutely to the bone.
Sets the comedic, over‑the‑top goal that drives the entire evaluation and Mike’s subsequent commentary about aligning aspirations with reality.
I wake up, I usually take a bong hit. I pretend to go walking, fall asleep again, wander over to the fridge, thumb through YouTube, cry, and I cycle that for a few hours until the afternoon.
Self‑deprecating humor that paints a vivid picture of the ‘before’ lifestyle Mike’s character presents; it’s the antithesis of the disciplined client.
The devil's lettuce is a straw.
Rea’s intentionally mangled attempt to reference weed, followed by a correction by Mike, capturing the playful trainer‑client dynamic and the video’s comedic tone.
Your job as a trainer is not to make sales ever. Your job as a trainer is get people in the shapes of their lives with reasonable prices and awesome commitment.
The most principle‑driven statement in the video; it reframes the entire commercial relationship of personal training as a service, not a transaction.
Sometimes in assessments, they'll have you do like rep maxes or have you run on a treadmill for a while. That's a real dumb idea because it can intimidate you away from the gym and it can get you hurt.
Blunt, no‑nonsense critique of a common industry practice; reinforces Mike’s low‑threat assessment philosophy.
I could turn into stacked, juiced up aesthetic god and even better working out at powerhouse gym in Novi. This experience is unmatched.
Comedic exaggeration that Mike uses to wrap up the evaluation on a high note, while also plugging the gym and trainer.

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