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How to Understand Your Past? The True Cause of Trauma - Dr. Agnieszka Kozak
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How to Understand Your Past? The True Cause of Trauma - Dr. Agnieszka Kozak

Cyprian Majcher
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Dr. Agnieszka Kozak argues that trauma is transmitted across generations through 'zaklęcia' — self-fulfilling prophecies parents unconsciously install in children via everyday words like 'musisz być dzielny' (you must be brave) or 'nie rób mi wstydu' (don't embarrass me).

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True healing requires moving 'from the head to the body' — intellectually understanding your story is not enough; you must reconnect with physical sensations and emotions that have been frozen since childhood.

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The cost of being the 'grzeczne dziecko' (well-behaved child) who never causes trouble is often adult depression, people-pleasing, and a complete disconnection from one's own needs — a concept Kozak borrows from Marshall Rosenberg: 'karą za grzeczność jest depresja.'

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Therapy doesn't erase trauma — it transforms a burning wound into a scar. As Kozak puts it, 'my nigdy nie odzyskamy 100% zdrowia bo już mam blizny' (we will never recover 100% health because we already have scars), but those scars stop defining you and become tender spots you can care for.

Protocols

Concrete recipes — what, when, how much, and why

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The three gates of speech (Socrates' triple filter)

WhatBefore speaking, pass your words through three gates: Is it true (czy to jest tym co widziałem)? What is my intention for saying it (po co to mówię)? Will it serve the good of the other person (czy to posłuży dobru drugiej osoby)?
WhenBefore any significant communication, especially when tempted to criticize, correct, or complain.
DoseA brief mental check before speaking.
For whomAnyone in a relationship — parent, partner, friend, colleague.
WhyMost interpersonal damage comes from words that fail one or more of these filters — they're opinions presented as facts, spoken to assert dominance, or said without regard for the other's wellbeing.
CaveatsKozak notes this is difficult and counter-cultural in a society where being right is prized over being connected.

Both Kozak and the host reference the Socratic triple filter (sometimes called the three sieves). Kozak frames it as a practical daily tool for nonviolent communication. The host recites it as 'czy to jest potrzebne, czy to jest serdeczne, i czy to jest prawdziwe' (is it necessary, is it kind, and is it true). Kozak connects this to the broader theme of how words create worlds: 'słowami tworzymy światy' (with words we create worlds). Every utterance either builds a 'świat miłości' (world of love) and bestows 'błogosławieństwo' (blessing), or builds a 'świat walki' (world of conflict) and casts a 'przekleństwo' (curse). The three gates are the threshold that determines which world you're building.

Mechanism

The gates function as a cognitive interruption to the automatic, reactive speech patterns most people operate from. By inserting three conscious criteria, the speaker shifts from unconscious reaction to intentional creation.

każde słowa które z nas wychodzą powinny przejść przez takie trzy bramy... sito faktów czyli czy to co mam do powiedzenia jest tym co widziałem, sito intencji po co to mówię, i sito dobra czy to posłuży dobru drugiej osoby

Also said
“słowami tworzymy światy i teraz czy ja tworzę świat miłości... czy ja właśnie teraz tworzę świat walki”— The high stakes framing that makes the three gates non-optional.

The gratitude practice (darczyńca-dar-odbiorca)

WhatExpress gratitude by naming three elements: the giver (darczyńca), the gift (dar), and the receiver (odbiorca daru). Say explicitly what good you see in the other person and what good is happening between you.
WhenDaily, in close relationships — with partners, children, friends, colleagues.
DoseAs often as possible; Kozak frames it as 'najpotężniejsze narzędzie jakie znam' (the most powerful tool I know).
For whomEveryone — but especially those who struggle to express positive feelings or who default to criticism.
WhyGratitude requires acknowledging another person's agency and impact on you, which is the foundation of secure, nonviolent relationships.
CaveatsKozak notes that her generation was not taught to express gratitude or say good things — 'mówienie dobrych rzeczy, mówienie dobrze o sobie' is a gap they need to consciously fill.

Kozak explains that in the state of being 'zakochani' (in love), people naturally are 'uważni na siebie' (attentive to each other), noticing every mood, caring for each other's wellbeing. The goal is to bring that quality of attention into everyday life. Gratitude specifically structured as giver-gift-receiver makes the exchange concrete rather than vague. She ties this to the Polish cultural deficit: her generation was raised with 'źle siedzisz, krzywo siedzisz, za mało się uczysz' (you're sitting wrong, sitting crooked, not studying enough) and now unconsciously repeats these patterns with their own children. Gratitude is the antidote — it requires noticing and verbalizing what is good, which is a skill that must be deliberately cultivated.

Mechanism

Gratitude activates what Kozak calls 'przepływ życia' (the flow of life) between people. By naming what you receive from someone, you acknowledge their importance in your life, meeting the universal need 'bycia ważnym dla kogoś' (being important to someone). This creates a positive feedback loop of mutual care.

najpotężniejszym narzędziem jakie znam jest po prostu wdzięczność bo wdzięczność zakłada trzy elementy darczyńca dar i odbiorca daru

Also said
“Gdybyśmy umieli być w stanie zakochania całe życie no to w ogóle życie byłoby łatwiejsze... Zakochani są uważni na siebie”— Shows the aspirational model — sustained loving attention, not just the initial infatuation phase.

Understanding family history as the first step to healing

WhatBefore trying to change behavioral patterns, investigate what happened in your family before you were born — what traumas, losses, and events shaped your parents' emotional availability and the 'scenariusz' (script) written for you.
WhenAt the start of any therapeutic or self-reflective process, before focusing on current symptoms.
DoseAn ongoing investigative process — Kozak frames it not as a one-time activity but as a necessary foundation.
For whomAnyone struggling with patterns they can't explain — persistent sadness, inability to feel joy, relationship patterns that keep repeating.
WhyWithout understanding the transgenerational script, you cannot free yourself from it because you're unconsciously reenacting stories that were written before you arrived.
CaveatsThis can surface difficult material; Kozak strongly recommends doing this with professional support rather than alone.

Kozak shares the story of a patient who came to her in a state of 'jakby nieżycia' (as if not alive) — nothing brought him joy, everything was difficult. After long work, Kozak had an image of him 'owinięty w całun i zamknięty w jakimś pomieszczeniu' (wrapped in a shroud and locked in a room). She asked him to investigate what happened in his family before he was born. It turned out his parents conceived him while in deep grief and mourning after a significant death — he was a 'replacement' child. The patient realized: 'ja nie mogę mieć radości w życiu Bo ja jestem zanurzony w śmierci która się wcześniej wydarzyła' (I cannot have joy in life because I am immersed in the death that happened before). Kozak emphasizes that 'póki my nie rozumiemy tej historii tego scenariusza który gdzieś był pisany przez pokolenia... to my nie możemy się od tego uwolnić bo my po prostu te historie odtwarzamy' (until we understand this history, this script written across generations, we cannot free ourselves because we simply replay these stories).

Mechanism

Understanding creates cognitive distance from the inherited pattern. Once you can see the script as something external that was given to you rather than your inherent nature, you gain the capacity to choose differently. Kozak's phrase 'historia opowiedziana to historia oddana' (a story told is a story returned/handed over) captures this — verbalizing the inherited trauma externalizes it and reduces its unconscious power.

Personal experience

Kozak shares the detailed patient story of the man 'immersed in death' who consented to having his story shared.

póki my nie rozumiemy tego tej historii tego scenariusza który gdzieś był pisany przez pokolenia... to my nie możemy się od tego uwolnić bo my po prostu te historie odtwarzamy

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“Ja nie mogę mieć radości w życiu Bo ja jestem zanurzony w śmierci która się wcześniej wydarzyła”— The patient's verbatim realization showing the direct link between unexamined family history and adult emotional experience.
“historia opowiedziana to historia oddana”— Concise articulation of why verbalizing inherited trauma is transformative.

Emotion naming and reconnection with the body

WhatPractice identifying and naming what you feel in your body — is it fear (lęk) or sadness (smutek)? Discouragement (zniechęcenie) or tension (napięcie)? Then ask: what do I need?
WhenThroughout daily life, especially during moments of discomfort, unease, or emotional activation.
DoseOngoing practice; Kozak frames it as a skill that must be rebuilt after years of disconnection.
For whomEveryone — but especially those who, when asked 'co czujesz?', cannot answer.
WhyYou cannot care for an emotion you cannot name. Naming it decodes the information the emotion carries about what you need.
CaveatsKozak warns that initially many people 'kompletnie nie wiem' (completely don't know) and this is normal — it's part of the thawing process. She strongly recommends psychotherapy support for this process.

Kozak observes that in the information age, 'głowy nam naprawdę dobrze pracują ale jak pytam ludzi co czujesz to mało kto potrafi powiedzieć' (our heads work really well, but when I ask people what they feel, few can answer). She now has clients who preemptively say 'błagam niech mnie pani nie pyta co czuję nie po to tu przyszedłem' (please don't ask me what I feel, that's not why I came). She argues this is not optional: 'jeżeli ja wiem co ja czuję to ja odkoduję te informacje Czego ja potrzebuję, jeżeli ja złapię Czego ja potrzebuję to to jest punkt wyjścia do tego żeby zaopiekować się sobą' (if I know what I feel, I decode the information about what I need; if I grasp what I need, that's the starting point for taking care of myself). Without this, people unconsciously meet emotional needs through food, alcohol, work, or other compulsions — she quotes an audience member: 'głodna bliskości szukam jej o 3 nad ranem' (hungry for closeness, I look for it at 3 AM in the fridge).

Mechanism

Emotions carry specific information about unmet needs. Sadness might signal a need for closeness; fear signals a need for safety; discouragement signals a need for support or rest. When emotions are frozen, the information they carry is inaccessible, so needs go chronically unmet and compensation behaviors take over.

Personal experience

Kozak shares her own experience at 50 years old attending Italian language school — after 4 hours of lessons, she was exhausted and needed rest, which gave her visceral understanding of what children experience after 7-hour school days.

jeżeli ja wiem co ja czuję to ja odkoduję te informacje Czego ja potrzebuję jeżeli ja złapię Czego ja potrzebuję to to jest punkt wyjścia do tego żeby zaopiekować się sobą

Also said
“głodna bliskości szukam jej o 3 nad ranem”— Evocative example of what happens when emotional needs aren't identified — they get met through substitutes.

Let children feel sadness — don't rush to 'ogarnij się' (get it together)

WhatWhen a child is sad, discouraged, or crying, allow them to feel it without immediately cheering them up, distracting them, or telling them 'nie rycz' (don't cry). Sit with them in the sadness.
WhenWhenever a child expresses low mood, sadness, or discouragement.
DoseAs long as the child needs — Kozak emphasizes that sadness carries important information.
For whomParents, especially those who were themselves raised with 'nie rycz bo pani patrzy' (don't cry, the lady is watching).
WhyChildren learn emotional regulation by experiencing emotions safely with a present adult. If sadness is banned, the child learns to freeze it, which then freezes joy too.
CaveatsKozak acknowledges this is extremely hard for parents who were never allowed to be sad themselves — 'nie damy dziecku czegoś czego nie mamy w sobie' (you can't give a child what you don't have in yourself). The parent must do their own work first.

Kozak tells the story of a highly sensitive, talented teenage boy brought by his father from across Poland, clearly in a depressive episode with suicidal ideation. When she asked if he could talk to his parents about it, he said no — because 'moi rodzice mają swoje problemy i nie będę im zawracać głowy' (my parents have their own problems and I won't burden them) and 'oni Nie znoszą kiedy jestem smutny' (they can't stand when I'm sad). He was parentified — taking responsibility for his parents' emotions while also performing happiness at school ('zakłada na siebie ubranie tego który jest zadowolony'). Kozak argues that children need explicit permission to be sad: 'nie damy dziecku czegoś czego nie mamy w sobie, nie pozwolisz swojemu synowi na przeżywanie smutku jeśli nie pozwalasz sobie na niego.' She notes that the chapter on tears in her book is one of the most frequently cited by readers, suggesting widespread emotional deprivation around sadness.

Mechanism

Sadness, like all emotions, carries information. Kozak says 'smutek ma coś bardzo ważnego nam do powiedzenia bo może ten smutek mówi o tęsknocie za bliskością może ten smutek mówi o jakiejś potrzebie bycia widzianym' (sadness has something very important to tell us — maybe it speaks of longing for closeness, maybe of a need to be seen). When sadness is suppressed, the underlying need is never addressed, and the child learns that their authentic emotional experience is unacceptable to their caregivers.

Personal experience

Kozak shares the detailed story of 'Kuba' (fictional name), the depressed teenager brought from across Poland by his father.

nie damy dziecku czegoś czego nie mamy w sobie, nie pozwolisz swojemu synowi na przeżywanie smutku jeśli nie pozwalasz sobie na niego

Also said
“żeby odzyskać radość życia my potrzebujemy też odzyskać swój smutek bo jedna zamrożona emocja zamraża nam inne”— Explains the mechanism: you can't selectively freeze; numbing sadness numbs joy.
“oni Nie znoszą kiedy jestem smutny”— The teenager's verbatim statement showing how parental intolerance of sadness teaches children to hide it.

What's new

Personal practice updates, fresh positions, predictions

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Zaklęcia (spells) as self-fulfilling prophecies parents cast on children

early in conversation, ~10-20 minutes

Kozak reframes everyday parenting phrases as 'zaklęcia' — self-fulfilling prophecies that program a child's identity, such as telling a shy child 'Krzysio się wstydzi' (Chris is shy) which installs the belief that being fearful of strangers is their nature.

Why this matters: This reframes mundane parental language as actively shaping a child's core identity rather than merely describing behavior, giving parents a concrete mental model for why word choice matters.

Background

Traditional Polish parenting often frames 'grzeczne dziecko' (well-behaved child) as the ideal — quiet, obedient, no trouble. Kozak argues this framing is itself a spell that teaches children to suppress authentic emotions in order to gain approval.

Kozak explains that 'zaklęcie' functions like a self-fulfilling prophecy. When a parent tells a 3-year-old hiding behind their mother's legs 'Krzysio się wstydzi' or 'Krzysio boi się obcych,' they install a mental program: 'I am a fearful child.' The child then lives from that identity. She gives examples: 'musisz być dzielny' (you must be brave), 'musisz być samodzielny' (you must be self-reliant), and the particularly insidious 'jak będziemy dziecku mówić dobrze o nim to mu się w głowie poprzewraca' (if we say good things about the child, they'll become conceited). This last spell causes parents to withhold praise and only criticize, leaving children feeling worthless. Kozak connects this to her corporate clients — highly 'samodzielny' (self-reliant) executives who were parentified as children and are now emotionally disconnected adults who cannot rest or feel their emotions.

Personal experience

Kozak shares that she herself was told by her professor 'pisz dziecko bo masz talent nie wolno tego zakopać' (write, child, because you have talent — you mustn't bury it). She says this single sentence shaped her entire career path as an author, demonstrating the positive flipside of the 'zaklęcie' — words can also be blessings.

my jesteśmy słowami ubrani w tożsamość

Also said
“Instalujemy naszym dzieciom te same programy które mamy zainstalowane i nie zauważyliśmy że one nam nie służą”— Reveals that parents unconsciously pass down the same harmful mental programming they received.
“Sprawdź czy to co teraz mówisz służy życiu czy to tobie służy”— Offers a practical litmus test for evaluating whether your words to a child are constructive.

The 12-year-old who chose 'bliskość' over 'sukces'

late in the conversation

Kozak shares a story of a corporate director who did a needs-assessment exercise with his family and discovered his 12-year-old son chose 'bliskość, relacje, przyjaźń, akceptacja' (closeness, relationships, friendship, acceptance) while the father had projected 'siła, moc, sprawczość, sukces' (strength, power, agency, success) onto him.

Why this matters: This concrete anecdote exposes how parents project their own values onto children and the child's heartbreaking explanation: 'Tato, nie mam wyboru, inaczej nie będziesz ze mną spędzał czasu' (Dad, I have no choice — otherwise you won't spend time with me).

Background

Kozak uses a needs-list exercise from NVC (Nonviolent Communication) in her workshops where participants select their core needs and then guess the needs of someone close to them.

The story illustrates how children adapt to their parents' values at the cost of their authentic selves. The father, a high-level corporate director, had been involving his son in extreme sports and gym workouts, assuming his son shared his passion for achievement and power. When the exercise revealed the son's actual needs were closeness and acceptance, the father was 'zmieciony z planszy' (wiped off the board). The son's response revealed that he participated in these activities not out of genuine interest but because it was the only way to get his father's time and attention. Kozak uses this to illustrate her broader point about parents 'formatujący' (formatting) rather than 'formujący' (forming) their children — shaping them to fit the parent's template rather than supporting the child's unique potential.

Personal experience

Kozak shared this as a story from one of her workshops, not her own family.

synu ale przecież ty kochasz ze mną te wszystkie sporty ekstremalne To chodzenie na siłkę i tak dalej a chłopczyk popatrzył na niego mówi Tato nie mam wyboru inaczej nie będziesz ze mną spędzał czasu

Also said
“odkryłem że ja właśnie formatuj nie formuj tylko formatuj swojego syna na to żeby miał te potrzeby które ja mam”— The father's own articulation of his realization.

Recommendations

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Myślenie pytaniami (Thinking in Questions)

Book

Kozak recommends this book as the framework for shifting from a judging/advice-giving posture ('rola wyrokująca') to a curious, question-asking posture ('rola pytającego') in relationships with children and others.

Kozak references this book when explaining how parents can change their communication style. Instead of immediately telling a child what to do or judging their choices, the parent should 'zapytać go o jego intencje' (ask about their intentions). She applies this specifically to the example of teenagers addicted to gaming — instead of judging the gaming as stupid, ask what character they play, what that character does, and what needs the game fulfills that real life doesn't.

vs alternatives

Contrasts with the default Polish parenting style of issuing judgments and commands ('źle siedzisz, krzywo siedzisz, za mało się uczysz') which Kozak argues destroys relationships and teaches children to suppress their authentic selves.

bardzo Państwu polecam książka... nazywa się myślenie pytaniami, ja bym powiedziała że to co potrzebujemy zrobić to przejść z roli wyrokującej do roli pytającego

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Porozumienie bez Przemocy / NVC (Marshall Rosenberg's Nonviolent Communication)

Practice

Kozak repeatedly cites Marshall Rosenberg as the source for key concepts including 'karą za grzeczność jest depresja' (the punishment for being polite is depression), 'zanim otworzysz usta zastanów się czy chcesz mieć rację czy relację' (before you speak, decide if you want to be right or have the relationship), and the needs-list exercise she uses in workshops.

Kozak uses NVC as the practical framework throughout the conversation. She references it when discussing the cost of being the 'grzeczne dziecko,' the importance of identifying needs behind behaviors, and the gratitude practice structured around giver-gift-receiver. She specifically uses the NVC needs list in her workshops — participants identify their own core needs and then guess the needs of a close colleague or family member, revealing projections (like the father who projected 'success' onto his son who actually needed 'closeness').

vs alternatives

Contrasts with 'komunikacja w stylu niemieckiego porno' (communication in the style of German porn) — where one person constantly talks about themselves ('ja, ja, ja') without listening, or the competitive 'a ja miałam to samo' (oh, I had the same thing) that hijacks conversations.

zanim otworzysz usta zastanów się czy chcesz mieć rację czy relację

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“karą za grzeczność jest depresja”— Rosenberg's concept used to frame the entire discussion of how 'grzeczne dziecko' conditioning leads to adult depression.
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Book by Dr. Agnieszka Kozak (unnamed in transcript — the book being discussed throughout)

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Throughout the conversation, both host and Kozak reference her book, including specific opening lines ('każdy człowiek ma ranę do uzdrowienia, łzy do wypłakania, złość do wykrzyczenia, prawdę do odkrycia, wstyd do przytulenia, nadzieję do nakarmienia i siebie do pokochania'), the chapter on tears being one of the most cited by readers, and the concept of 'zaklęcia.' The host notes the book is written with stories from Kozak's acquaintances and workshop participants, not her patients.

DisclosureKozak is the author; the conversation extensively discusses content from her book including specific chapter titles and concepts.

The host reads a beautiful passage from the book's introduction: 'każdy człowiek ma ranę do uzdrowienia łzy do wypłakania złość do wykrzyczenia prawdę do odkrycia wstyd do przytulenia nadzieję do nakarmienia i siebie do pokochania.' Kozak explains that the book is built from real stories — not her patients, but acquaintances and workshop participants who shared their experiences. She notes that most readers say 'jakbyś siedziała w mojej głowie' (as if you were sitting in my head) when reading it, and that images and memories return to them. A friend texted her the day of the podcast: 'Agnieszka poszłam na terapię i Zaczynam czuć i widzieć to wszystko czego już dawno nie czułam i widziałam' (I started therapy and I'm beginning to feel and see everything I haven't felt or seen in a long time).

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“każdy człowiek ma ranę do uzdrowienia łzy do wypłakania złość do wykrzyczenia prawdę do odkrycia wstyd do przytulenia nadzieję do nakarmienia i siebie do pokochania”— The opening passage of her book, quoted verbatim by the host, capturing the book's therapeutic vision.
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Notable quotes

Lines worth pulling out — contrarian, specific, or perfectly phrased

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my jesteśmy słowami ubrani w tożsamość
Encapsulates Kozak's core thesis about identity — that we are literally constructed from the words spoken over us, especially in childhood.
karą za grzeczność jest depresja
A devastating, memorable diagnosis of why so many 'well-behaved' children grow into depressed adults — adapted from Marshall Rosenberg, it ties the entire conversation together.
dzieci potrzebują szczęśliwych i zadowolonych z życia rodziców żeby mieli wzorzec czyli udręczona matka nie jest dobrym wzorcem zapracowany ojciec pracoholik też nie jest dobrym wzorcem
Frees parents from the pressure to be perfect and redirects them toward the one thing that actually matters for children: their own authentic wellbeing.
my nigdy nie odzyskamy 100% zdrowia bo już mam blizny one są na moim ciele i jeżeli zdejmę koszulkę to będziecie je widzieli Ale one mnie nie definiują
Radically honest reframing of the goal of therapy — not perfect healing, but living well with scars that are visible but not defining.
przyciągamy się na zasadzie głodów i głodny głodnego nie nakarmi
A concise, memorable explanation for why two emotionally deprived people cannot meet each other's needs — someone has to start 'karmić' (feeding) first.
historia opowiedziana to historia oddana
Poetic and precise — captures why verbalizing trauma in therapy reduces its unconscious power. Once spoken and witnessed, the story no longer owns you.

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