Intellectualization of trauma is a survival strategy that, through excessive analysis, distances you from emotions and the body, blocking healing.
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Trauma does not always have a deeper meaning – searching for it in everything can be a symptom of PTSD and prevents true processing of pain.
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Work with trauma begins with building the capacity to be with difficult emotions (capacity), not with immediately entering the most painful memories; without this, re-traumatization is easy.
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Peter Levine's metaphor of vortices: working through the biggest trauma can automatically resolve smaller ones because they are connected to it – you don't have to process each one separately.
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Completing unfinished defensive responses in trauma therapy
WhatDuring a therapeutic session, the client reenacts (physically or imaginatively) the original defensive response that was blocked in childhood, e.g., saying 'stop', pushing away, fleeing.
WhenAfter building resources and capacity, in a safe therapeutic environment.
DoseDepends on the case; it can be a one-time completion or repeated.
For whomPeople after relational trauma, abuse, who were prevented from defending themselves.
WhyIn trauma, the organism mobilizes for fight/flight, but often cannot do it, so the reaction gets frozen. Completion releases the stored energy and restores a sense of agency.
CaveatsRequires precise guidance so as not to cause re-flooding; this is not done at the beginning of therapy.
Marianna explains that in trauma therapy, the patient is given the opportunity to physically stop the parent, say 'stop', and even hit. These impulses were frozen for years. This is not acting out aggression, but unblocking a healthy defensive reaction. After such completion, the patient often feels relief and the end of internal helplessness.
Mechanism
The autonomic nervous system maintains a pattern of muscle tension and readiness for reaction. When this impulse is completed in safe conditions (e.g., a hand movement to stop), the brain registers that the reaction ended successfully, which closes the neural loop and interrupts chronic mobilization.
in trauma therapy you will have the opportunity to complete it physically, to stop the parent, to say stop, to hit, to come out with that impulse that for many, many years was frozen in your body and waiting to be completed.
Temporal distance from a parent while working through trauma
WhatDuring therapy for trauma related to parents, it may be necessary to limit contact to avoid daily triggering and give space for the wound to heal.
WhenWhen every presence of the parent triggers a strong reaction and puts a 'salty finger in the wound', especially at the beginning of the healing process.
DoseIndividually; from a few months to years, there is no rule.
For whomPeople from non-secure homes who still have contact with their parents.
WhyThe parent, even unconsciously, through known patterns of presence, can evoke threat states and hinder renegotiation. Distance creates a safe space.
CaveatsThis is not a definitive severing of the relationship, but a therapeutic tool. Everyone decides individually; there is no one right timeframe.
Marianna advises that before a possible conversation with a parent about the past, first take care of your own traumatic material. Otherwise, at the first moment of misunderstanding, the patient explodes and blames. After years of work, many people are able to look at the parent as a human being, not just an abuser. For Marianna, truly saying 'I love you' to her mother took many years of therapy.
Mechanism
The nervous system during therapy is sensitive. Patterns of interaction with the parent recreate threat states recorded in the body by the amygdala. Limiting exposure to these triggers lowers chronic activation and gives the system time to establish new, safer neural pathways.
Personal experience
Marianna says: 'It took me many, many many many years. Truly saying to my parents I love you took me many years of therapeutic work, being able to hug, especially my mother.'
this may be a moment when we will need to distance ourselves from the parent, and then not for everyone, and I absolutely do not want to put it in a timeframe, because it will be different for everyone.
Also said
“first we need to take care of our own charge a bit... and yet this charge, when we become aware of it for the first time... it is enormous”— why distance is needed
“after a time, as we renegotiate, complete, take care of and give ourselves what we also didn't get... then comes a moment... when we can get closer to our parent”— long-term perspective
Daily reflection on the sense of safety
WhatAsking yourself the question: 'Do I recognize when I am safe? What in my body and in relationships tells me about it?' as a tool to increase awareness of the state of the nervous system.
WhenRegularly, preferably in a state of calm, and also in moments of anxiety as a reference point.
DoseA reflective question, used on an ongoing basis.
For whomEveryone, especially people after trauma.
WhyTrauma often destroys the ability to feel safety. Becoming aware of its lack or discovering that it depends on external factors is the first step to rebuilding internal safety.
CaveatsIf the answer is 'I never feel safety', it may be a signal to seek therapeutic support.
Marianna shares that she herself for many years did not feel safety at all, and the only glimpses appeared when she was hanging onto another person. That was not true internal safety. In work with clients, she encourages them to look for moments of calm in the body, so-called 'glimmers', and strengthen them. This builds capacity.
Mechanism
Safety is felt in the autonomic nervous system as a state of the ventral vagal complex. If the system is constantly in mobilization or disconnection, there is no access to this signal. By asking, we pay attention to subtle sensations and slowly teach the system to recognize and return to safety.
Personal experience
Marianna: 'I was a person for many, many, many years who did not feel safety at all. The only glimpses of safety I felt when I was very close, almost hanging onto another person.'
do I recognize safety? Do I know when I am safe? Do I recognize it in what I feel in my body?
Also said
“health is not just the absence of disease. Health is active internal well-being.”— a definition of health that motivates seeking safety
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Intellectualization of trauma as a survival strategy blocking healing
Marianna Gierszewska explains that excessive analyzing and putting pain into words (intellectualization) is an adaptive strategy from childhood, which in adulthood can prevent access to emotions and true processing of trauma.
Why this matters: Many people believe that understanding trauma intellectually is enough to work through it; the expert emphasizes that this is precisely an escape into the prefrontal cortex from overwhelming sensations in the body.
Background
Traditional therapeutic approaches often encourage telling the story and giving it meaning, which can lead to pseudo-integration without actual change in the nervous system.
Marianna explains that intellectualization involves using the prefrontal cortex (understanding, analyzing) to keep at a distance the hyperreactive limbic system, especially the amygdala, which is sounding the alarm. In childhood in non-secure homes, this becomes a survival strategy: the child tries to understand why they suffer in order to bear it. In adulthood, this habit causes the person to circle around their pain but not pass through it somatically. Neurobiologically: when the limbic system is on fire, the prefrontal cortex is offline and has no influence on stress reactions. That is why just 'getting a grip' on trauma with thoughts does not bring relief in the body. Only reaching the language of trauma – sensations, movement, unfinished impulses – enables true working through. The expert gives the example of people with PTSD who perfectly analyze their trauma but still have panic attacks and dysregulation.
intellectualization can be like a great strategy for not feeling all of this, which is so much and overwhelming in our body and in our emotions.
Also said
“they escape into that prefrontal cortex, speaking neurobiologically, because they escape from emotions, from overwhelm, from everything that is in the body”— shows the neurobiological escape from somatics
Giving meaning to every trauma can be a symptom of PTSD
The belief that every wound had a deeper spiritual meaning or served the soul's development can itself be a manifestation of post-traumatic stress disorder – a mechanism of giving apparent control over chaos.
Why this matters: Contrasts popular narratives about spiritual growth through suffering with the psychological reality of trauma.
Background
Self-help and spiritual movements often promote radical acceptance and searching for meaning in suffering, which is sometimes mistaken for a sign of healing.
Marianna quotes her clients' statements: 'that my dad left, it was created especially for me, for my soul'. Although from a karmic perspective this may make sense, from the point of view of trauma neurobiology such an explanation can be a protective form – a way not to feel helplessness and horror. In PTSD there is so-called 'post-traumatic growth', but when a person immediately sees a higher purpose in every pain, they may bypass confrontation with the reality of senseless cruelty. The expert emphasizes that some events are simply terrible and devoid of meaning, and accepting this truth is a condition for healing.
Personal experience
Marianna hears such stories very often in her practice.
saying that this wound and this wound and this wound and each next one has meaning, can be a manifestation of PTSD.
Also said
“Sometimes our wounds do not make sense. Sometimes what happened to you... sometimes it is completely devoid of sense.”— emphasizes the necessity of acknowledging senselessness
The metaphor of vortices: big traumas resolve smaller ones
The creator of Somatic Experiencing Peter Levine compares traumas to vortices in the river of life. Working through the biggest vortex makes all the smaller ones connected to it disappear, so you don't have to process each experience separately.
Why this matters: Answers the question of whether you have to go into every trauma – and gives hope that deep work on one core can heal many connected patterns.
Background
Many people are afraid of trauma therapy, thinking they will have to recall and tell every painful event. Marianna shows that this is not the case.
Levine created the concept of renegotiation of trauma: instead of recalling the story, you work with the somatic sensations that are recorded in the autonomic nervous system. Marianna gives the example of the wound of abandonment by the father: if you go through the process related to the main figure of abandonment (dad left, didn't call on birthdays), then all later situations in which the patient felt the taste of abandonment (breakups, rejection at work) also undergo healing, because they were connected to the same neural pattern. That is why complex trauma therapy, though painful, does not last decades – by renegotiating the core, the network is released.
when we work with trauma, that is, we attend to, take care of, renegotiate one of these vortices, let's say the biggest one, then suddenly when this biggest vortex disappears, all those that were connected to it also disappear.
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“trauma is vortices. Vortices that have a very strong force, power to suck us in.”— explains the pulling force of trauma
“it is not that we have to go into each of these vortices separately, because that would probably take us a whole life or even more lives”— emphasizes the practical benefit
Two memory systems of trauma: hippocampus and amygdala
The hippocampus is responsible for declarative memory (what, where, when), but under the influence of high cortisol it can shut down, causing fragmentation or lack of memories. The amygdala, on the other hand, records emotions and somatic sensations without temporal context, which explains why trauma manifests through the body, even without memory of events.
Why this matters: Explains why many people with trauma do not remember their childhood, but feel strong emotions and body reactions without understanding their source.
Background
Classic understanding of memory assumes that lack of memory means no influence of the past. Meanwhile, discoveries in neurobiology show that implicit (hidden) memory governs our reactions.
Marianna precisely describes: the hippocampus, a part of the cortex (cortical structure), creates a narrative – a story with a beginning, middle, and end. When the organism is in a state of threat, flooded with cortisol, the hippocampus shuts down, and memory becomes fragmented or does not form at all. An example is her husband Miłosz, who despite long therapy did not recover a complete picture of his childhood. The amygdala (subcortical structure) does not shut down under the influence of cortisol, and even increases its sensitivity. It records emotions and somatic sensations (tightness in the chest, accelerated heartbeat) without linking them to a specific event. That is why people with preverbal trauma or childhood amnesia have 'triggering' reactions in relationships, but cannot rationalize them. This knowledge emphasizes the necessity of working with the body and sensations, not just with narrative memory.
Personal experience
Marianna recounts her husband's story: 'my husband Miłosz, who went to many years of therapy and still did not manage to remember the entirety of his childhood. now he remembers a bit more, but again these are single images that came, or it is some sound.'
all implicit memory, all preverbal memory is based on the amygdala.
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“the hippocampus, which is flooded with large amounts of cortisol, can shut down... people who have PTSD have even more shrunken hippocampi”— neurobiological explanation of non-memory
Building capacity before entering the pain of trauma
Instead of immediately confronting the most difficult memories, one should first build the 'capacity' of the nervous system to be able to be with the pain without being flooded by it. The process involves gradual titration of experiences with the therapist.
Why this matters: Rejects the popular advice 'just go into the pain' and emphasizes the risk of re-traumatization when it is done too quickly.
Background
Many people think that readiness for therapy means the ability to tell the whole story. The expert warns that without prior strengthening of resources, a panic attack is easy, which she illustrates with her own experience.
Marianna describes how during her first therapeutic meeting, when she told her whole story, she left the office with a panic attack. She emphasizes that building capacity is based on creating in the body and nervous system the ability to be with intense affect, without letting oneself be sucked into the vortex of trauma. In trauma therapy, experiences are renegotiated gradually (by the spoonful or pipette, as she says), and the therapist is an empathic witness who helps regulate. The moment when a person feels ready is not when they want to tell everything, but when they can be with a small part of the pain and return to regulation.
Personal experience
Marianna recounts: 'I was at a therapist, for example, who did not quite know how to work with trauma. And for example, when at the first therapeutic meeting I had to tell my whole story, I left that therapeutic meeting with a panic attack.'
we do not have to go into every single pain, but we need to build the possibility and capacity so that we can be with our sadness, pain, hardship... at the same time not being sucked in by it.
Also said
“that is why step by step, titration by the spoonful, and not pouring out by the big pots”— illustrates the pace of work
Signs of healing: play, curiosity, authenticity and safety
Healing after trauma does not consist only in the absence of symptoms; it manifests in the return to play, curiosity, authenticity, the ability to marvel at small things and a sense of safety regardless of circumstances.
Why this matters: Gives a concrete, optimistic picture of the effects of therapeutic work, distinguishing it from ordinary 'working through'.
Background
Many people think that after therapy they are supposed to become serious, sad or 'work through' endlessly. Marianna shows that true healing brings lightness.
Marianna lists a set of indicators: the ability to be goofy, laugh, spontaneously go to a gallery, interest in art; cognitive curiosity and towards oneself; reacting less automatically with old survival strategies; moving away from black-and-white thinking towards shades of gray; greater compassion for oneself and others; deeper, real relationships, not those on screen; experiencing 'glimmers' – moments of marvel at the sun, the street, a colleague's figurine. All this results from the nervous system ceasing to be in chronic mobilization or disconnection and returning to the state of the ventral vagal nerve, where contact, creativity and safety are possible.
one of the manifestations of healing is that we have greater access to play... to dancing, fooling around, goofiness... and to curiosity.
Also said
“social media and clicking on the phone even up to 30 people a day is not contact. Contact is when the nervous system meets the nervous system.”— defines true relationship
“we are just starting to notice glimmers, moments of marvel, moments of gratitude. Oh, how beautifully the sun shone.”— concrete example of change
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Marianna repeatedly refers to Peter Levine's method as the basis for working with trauma, particularly to its concepts of vortices and renegotiation.
SE is a therapy focused on somatic sensations and the gradual release of frozen energy from the body. Unlike cognitive therapies, it does not require describing the whole story. Marianna emphasizes that this 'language of trauma' – approaching, distancing, completing reactions – is the key to healing. In Poland, the method is gaining popularity.
vs alternatives
In comparison to cognitive-behavioral therapy (CBT), SE does not focus on changing beliefs, but on physiological unblocking. Marianna notes that cognitive methods are useful, but alone do not reach the roots of trauma recorded in the brainstem and amygdala.
methods that are cognitive, although they have their important place in therapy, they are not the most accurate choice when it comes to trauma therapy, because we primarily need in trauma therapy to reach the language of trauma. And the language of trauma is the language of sensations.
Marianna quotes Levine and his metaphor of vortices, emphasizing his contribution to trauma therapy.
Peter Levine, creator of Somatic Experiencing, is the author of fundamental works connecting physiology, neurobiology and psychology of trauma. His book 'Waking the Tiger' explains how trauma becomes fixed in the body and how to heal it.
which Peter Levin, the creator of somatic experiencing, talked about. Peter Levin spoke about trauma as vortices.
Books by Gabor Maté (e.g., 'When the Body Says No')
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Maté is invoked as an authority on the issue of attachment and authenticity.
this is the famous dilemma that Dr. Gabor Mate, who is one of my teachers, talks about. He says: 'Authenticity versus attachment', that is, attachment or authenticity.
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Trauma in its consequences does not happen somewhere out there in theory. It happens in us. It is you who feels and you who knows. Only you know how you are throughout the day and how much each day costs you. How much each relationship costs you.
Strong emphasis that the effects of trauma are a subjective, daily burden, invisible to others.
Children adapt to what they experience, they adapt to what they go through. Moreover, after a time they call it the norm, after a time they call it love.
Poignantly captures the mechanism by which violence becomes normal for a child.
Health is not just the absence of disease. Health is active internal well-being.
Paraphrase of WHO, which becomes a reference point for the entire episode – the goal of working on oneself is not just the absence of pain, but fullness of life.
Sometimes our wounds do not make sense. Sometimes what happened to you, what happened to me, sometimes it does not make sense. Sometimes it is terrible, sometimes it is cruel and sometimes it is completely devoid of sense.
Challenges the common belief that every suffering holds a lesson; gives permission to acknowledge senselessness.
social media and clicking on the phone even up to 30 people a day is not contact. Contact is when the nervous system meets the nervous system.
Definition of true contact as neural exchange – contrasts with the digital illusion of closeness.
not having a terrible life does not yet mean having a good life.
Forces reflection on whether our lack of a clear crisis is truly happiness.
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