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What is the real life of a spy in intelligence? Major Adam Zieliński
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What is the real life of a spy in intelligence? Major Adam Zieliński

Cyprian Majcher
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TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

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TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

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Major Adam Zieliński, a Polish military intelligence and counterintelligence officer, describes his accidental entry into the secret services after spotting a mysterious civilian officer in his unit and deciding to pursue him.

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He details the multi-stage selection process including physical tests, psychological exams with surprise elements, and a polygraph test designed to check honesty rather than specific life events.

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Zieliński explains the operational difference between intelligence (being a spy, gathering information abroad) and counterintelligence (hunting spies, protecting one's own military and state institutions from foreign penetration).

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His career included a mission in Afghanistan where he negotiated with an angry mob of 200-300 armed locals, a stint delivering a $1.6 million ransom to Somali pirates, and a current transition to providing corporate counterintelligence and business intelligence services in Poland.

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Zieliński now runs a private consulting firm that provides counterintelligence protection to companies—training staff, creating Blue Teams, developing incident response procedures, and coordinating IT security with awareness of what specific information needs protection.

DisclosureThis is Zieliński's own current business. He offers these services commercially.

His service includes: training employees (e.g., teaching receptionists not to plug in random USB drives found on desks), creating a 'Blue Team' from management with defined procedures for all possible incident types, and coordinating with the company's IT security provider so they understand the specific information assets that need protection. He also offers business intelligence services—investigating competitors using actual intelligence tradecraft, not just open-source research. He notes that in the US, such firms are massive and staffed by former intelligence officers, while in Poland the concept is just emerging. He was surprised to discover that most Polish firms calling themselves 'business intelligence' are run by lawyers who simply rebranded legal services.

vs alternatives

He contrasts his service with the typical Polish 'business intelligence' firms: '95% of people doing this never had anything to do with any intelligence or counterintelligence—the vast majority are or were lawyers from law firms who just gave themselves the name that they do business intelligence.' Their work is limited to 'white intelligence'—publicly available information. His service includes actual operational security, personnel training, and coordinated IT/physical security integration.

Personal experience

He developed this business after leaving state service and finding no support from the Polish government. He had to work abroad as a contractor before translating his skills into the civilian market.

offers companies a shield [Music] counterintelligence I secure, like, I create the whole system generally for the company for the company that asks me for such a service I train I disrupt I rescale the security services of a given company ZEM who knows what can be required of it and the security service also knows what to pay attention to

Also said
“I create a so-called Blue Team from management, that is, people who are a group of people who have who have procedures I help them create these procedures together with them these are procedures that define exactly everything we try in these procedures to define all possible cases in a given company that may occur”— Details the Blue Team and procedure-development component.
“for example there is some lady or gentleman at the reception comes to work in the morning and sees that a pendrive is lying on the desk well the first thing they will do reflexively is put it in the computer and check what is on that pendrive well that's a huge fuckup”— Gives a concrete, relatable example of the training he provides.
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Topics covered

intelligence-recruitmentcounterintelligence-vs-intelligencepolygraph-examinationsurveillance-detectiondead-drops-and-containersinterrogation-resistance-trainingafghanistan-missionsomali-pirates-ransomcorporate-counterintelligenceisraeli-orphan-recruitmentwomen-in-intelligencepost-service-transitionbusiness-intelligence-marketphysical-gold-storagethermal-imagingdirectional-microphonesnegotiation-tacticsptsd-and-trauma
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