The average person spends 4–6 hours per day on their phone, equivalent to 75 days per year, with younger cohorts and certain professions (like club promoters) reaching double digits.
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Catherine Price’s 'What For, Why Now, What Else' (WWW) exercise, triggered by a rubber band or hair tie on the phone, cuts through automatic scrolling and makes every pick-up intentional—success is defined by awareness, not abstinence.
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Removing your phone from the bedroom (and replacing it with a book) instantly improves sleep quality, reduces morning stress, and rebuilds attention span; the blue light acts as jet lag, and the cortisol spike from sleep deprivation fuels long-term health risks.
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The biggest mistake in digital detoxes is failing to replace screen time with 'true fun' or meaningful activities; without a compelling alternative, people experience an existential void that drives them back to the phone. Prioritising real-life novelty, connection, and play is the sustainable fix.
Protocols
Concrete recipes — what, when, how much, and why
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What For, Why Now, What Else (WWW) Mindful Check-in
WhatWhen the urge to pick up your phone arises, pause and ask: (1) What for? – did I have a specific purpose? (2) Why now? – is it time-sensitive or driven by an emotion like boredom, loneliness, anxiety? (3) What else? – what could I do instead to satisfy that need, including nothing or intentional phone use.
WhenEvery time you reach for your phone, especially if prompted by a physical reminder like a rubber band or hair tie wrapped around the device.
DoseA momentary pause; repeat as often as needed.
For whomAnyone who finds themselves picking up their phone for no clear reason or using it to avoid discomfort.
WhyTurns unconscious, autopilot scrolling into conscious choice. By identifying the emotional reward sought, you can find healthier ways to meet that need or give yourself permission to use the phone deliberately, breaking the compulsive loop.
CaveatsThe goal is not abstinence—if after asking you still want to use your phone, that’s a success because it’s intentional. Do not beat yourself up if you forget; the rubber band helps.
Price developed this mindfulness-based exercise to combat the automatic habit of phone checking. Most people reach for their phone on autopilot, having been conditioned to associate it with a reward—usually the alleviation of boredom or anxiety. The physical prompt (rubber band/hair tie) creates a split-second of awareness. The three questions then decode the trigger: the 'what for' surfaces whether there's a real task; 'why now' digs into the emotional state (bored, lonely, overwhelmed); 'what else' opens alternatives—calling a friend instead of scrolling for connection, taking a walk instead of a distraction break, doing nothing to let the brain decompress, or consciously choosing phone time. This process respects autonomy while building metacognition. Price emphasizes that if you end up on the phone after asking, you've succeeded because the whole point is intentionality. Over time, this practice rewires the habit loop and reduces overall screen time without willpower alone.
Personal experience
I do this exercise with myself—it has been very useful. She also uses the bracelet 'pay attention' as a larger reminder.
I always recommend people start by putting something on their phone like a rubber band or some kind of hair tie the point being that when you pick up your phone on autopilot you'll notice there's something on the phone and you'll have a split second of being like why is this thing on my phone and that will be a reminder to ask yourself these three questions
Also said
“you ask yourself what for like what did I pick up my phone for right now like did I actually have a purpose or was it just kind of like an autopilot thing”— Clarifies the first question.
“is there an emotional reason behind it like you were you were bored and you wanted a distraction or you were feeling lonely you wanted a connection”— Explains the emotional probing of 'why now'.
“you might decide that for your what else you actually want to do nothing which is an excellent choice because our brains need more time to decompress”— Highlights the often-overlooked value of doing nothing.
24-Hour Phone Break
WhatPick a 24-hour window (e.g., Friday 5 p.m. to Saturday 5 p.m.) and put your phone away completely. Use this time to engage in offline activities and observe how you feel.
WhenA weekend day with no critical commitments; best done with a partner or family for support.
Dose24 hours, once as an experiment or periodically.
For whomThose who feel that life is slipping by or suspect they are over-relying on their phone but lack objective insight.
WhyIt resets your perception of time (it feels slower), reveals the depth of your phone attachment, and breaks automatic checking patterns. The contrast experience can motivate long-term change.
CaveatsExpect significant anxiety and 'withdrawal' urges in the first few hours. Plan alternative activities in advance to avoid feeling lost. Not recommended during times when you must be reachable for emergencies.
Price first tried this with her husband; they locked away their phones at 5 p.m. on a Friday. Initially their brains screamed with demands to check, but they tolerated the distress. By morning they felt calmer, and by 11 a.m. they were stunned at how slowly time had passed—normally it would have been 3 p.m. because of hours lost to screens. David Greenfield, an addiction specialist, explains that screen time induces a dissociative state that accelerates subjective time, so removing the screen reverses that. The 24-hour break serves as both a diagnostic (seeing how much time you reclaim) and a therapeutic reset. Many participants in her programs report a similar expansion of time and a newfound appreciation for offline life. It’s also a cornerstone of her book’s breakup plan.
Personal experience
the first time I tried it with my husband you know we we started off the night we put away our phones at like 5:00 p.m on a Friday got super anxious... went to bed woke up much calmer in the morning and then I remember around 11:00 in the morning being like how is it only 11:00 in the morning
time seems to slow down when people do that... taking a break from screens made their perception of time slow down
Also said
“when you're on a screen you kind of dissociate from your actual life and that dissociation actually makes your perception of time speed up”— The mechanism behind why removing the phone slows time.
“I've heard that experience from so many people that taking a break from screens made their perception of time slow down”— Validates that this is a common outcome, not just her own experience.
Phone-Free Bedroom & Bedside Book
WhatCharge your phone in a different room (e.g., a closet) and place a book you genuinely want to read on your nightstand. In the morning, use a separate alarm clock instead.
WhenEvery night, starting 1 hour before sleep; maintain permanently.
DoseNightly habit; indefinite.
For whomEveryone, especially those with sleep issues, attention complaints, or a habit of scrolling in bed.
WhyEliminates blue light exposure that disrupts melatonin and creates jet lag; prevents cortisol-spiking sleep deprivation; stops the morning reactive cycle of checking notifications first thing; and simultaneously rebuilds attention span through reading.
CaveatsInvest in a simple alarm clock or sunrise lamp. If you absolutely must keep your phone in the room for emergency calls, place it far across the room and use 'do not disturb' settings, but she recommends total removal.
Price calls this the single most effective life hack. The blue light from screens mimics daylight, telling the brain it’s daytime and delaying sleep onset, essentially giving you self-inflicted jet lag. Sleep deprivation then elevates cortisol, leading to increased risks of heart disease, diabetes, and obesity. Moreover, keeping the phone as an alarm forces you to touch it first thing in the morning, setting your entire day’s emotional tone based on whatever you see. By putting a book where the phone used to be, you also address attention span: reading a book is a concentration workout, and even a few minutes before bed and upon waking can rapidly improve your ability to focus. She notes that many people who can’t get through a magazine article see quick improvement after adopting this habit.
Mechanism
Blue light (~480nm) from screens suppresses pineal melatonin secretion, delaying circadian rhythm and impairing sleep. Sleep deprivation raises cortisol, a stress hormone chronically linked to cardiometabolic disease. Removal of the phone prevents this cascade.
put your phone in a different room and read a book so I always say you can get two birds for one stone if you get your phone out of your bedroom at night and then put a book on your bedside table where the phone used to be
Also said
“the light that phones give off is a very blue light blue light is the same as daylight if you're looking at a phone or a screen before bed you are essentially telling your brain that it is daytime and that your brain should be awake you're essentially giving yourself jet lag”— Details the mechanism of sleep disruption.
“people use their phones as their alarm clock that means that they're checking they're touching their phone first thing in the morning because you have to touch the alarm to make it silent so then you're setting your whole day up on the terms of whatever was waiting for you on your phone”— Explains the morning psychological hijack.
Make Your Phone as Boring as Possible
WhatDelete all social media, email, news, and any other apps that trigger mindless checking from your phone. Keep only utility apps (weather, camera, maps, etc.). Access social media and email only from a computer at designated times.
WhenImmediately, as a permanent phone configuration.
DoseOngoing.
For whomAnyone, particularly those who find themselves automatically opening certain apps (Instagram, Twitter, email).
WhyReduces the density of dopamine triggers on the device, making it less appealing to pick up and harder to slip into rabbit holes.
CaveatsYou can still use these services, but the friction of having to go to a computer adds intention. She notes that typing emails with thumbs is inefficient anyway.
Price argues that smartphones are slot machines in our pockets because apps are packed with variable rewards. By stripping the phone down to boring utilities, you eliminate the candy-store effect. She personally removed email and news because those were her time sinks. It’s a zero-willpower approach: when the phone offers nothing interesting, the autopilot urge fizzles. This fits with the principle of environment design over discipline.
Personal experience
I don't have email or the news on my phone it's also just doesn't make sense to type an email with your thumbs like that's just annoying so making my phone as boring as possible is very useful
making my phone as boring as possible is very useful I don't have email or the news on my phone
Also said
“I've never been sucked into soci media so I don't have email or the news on my phone”— Her personal vulnerability was different from stereotypical social media addiction, illustrating that boring-phone works for any distraction.
Daily Mindfulness Meditation (Attention Training)
WhatPractice a form of meditation where you focus on one anchor (breath, sounds, body sensations) and gently bring your attention back whenever it wanders.
WhenDaily, ideally in the morning or whenever you can fit it.
DoseStart with 5–10 minutes; longer as you progress.
For whomThose with fragmented attention or who want a formal practice to rebuild focus.
WhyDirectly strengthens the brain’s attentional control, countering the distractibility trained by phones. It also builds awareness of mental habits that lead to phone grabbing.
CaveatsIt’s hard at first; don’t judge yourself for a wandering mind. Consistency over duration matters.
Price emphasizes that our brains’ natural state is distractibility. Concentration requires effort. Meditation trains the very skill phones erode: sustaining attention on one thing and ignoring distractions. She mentions mindfulness-based stress reduction (MBSR) as a framework she has used. Combined with the WWW check-in, meditation creates a meta-awareness that makes it easier to catch the impulse to pick up the phone. It’s not a quick fix but a foundational practice.
you also can do something more formal like actually do something like a meditation practice mindfulness meditation in particular where you're focusing on one anchor like your breath or sounds in the room or bodily Sensations and just coming back to it over and over again excellent way to build your attention span
Single-Tasking
WhatWhen doing any task—brushing teeth, making breakfast, walking—focus solely on that activity without simultaneously checking your phone or listening to something.
WhenThroughout the day, especially during routine activities.
DosePractice whenever you notice yourself multitasking.
For whomAnyone feeling scattered or unable to focus for more than a few seconds.
WhyMultitasking degrades performance and trains the brain to crave constant stimulation. Single-tasking helps the brain quiet down and rebuilds the capacity for sustained attention, even for simple things.
CaveatsYou may feel bored at first; that’s part of the recalibration.
Price noticed she was brushing her teeth while making the bed, neither done well. She recommends intentionally doing one thing at a time as a way to retrain the brain’s tolerance for lower stimulation and to improve the quality of experience. It’s a micro-practice that complements larger breaks.
Personal experience
I noticed for myself that like I'm always like brushing my teeth while making the bed neither is as well done as it could be as a result of that multitasking
just getting in the habit of trying to do one thing at a time can be very helpful in helping our brains start to quiet down a bit and be able to tolerate sustaining our attention for more than five seconds at a time
Replace Screen Time with 'True Fun'
WhatActively identify and schedule activities that produce genuine fun—play, flow, connection—to fill the time and emotional void left by reducing phone use.
WhenAfter an initial digital detox; ongoing as a lifestyle.
DoseAim for regular real-life fun experiences, ideally daily or weekly.
For whomThose who have successfully cut screen time but feel listless, bored, or depressed.
WhyWithout a compelling replacement, the emptiness from less screen time leads to existential depression and relapse. True fun provides a deeper, more fulfilling reward that makes the phone feel like junk food by comparison.
CaveatsThis requires self-exploration to discover what truly constitutes fun for you. It may involve trying new things and stepping out of comfort zones.
Price discovered this the hard way. After writing 'How to Break Up with Your Phone', she suddenly had hours of reclaimed time but fell into existential depression because she hadn’t defined what she wanted to pay attention to. This led her to write 'The Power of Fun'. True fun, as she defines it, is a mix of playfulness, connection, and flow. It’s distinct from fake fun (like scrolling) that provides quick dopamine but leaves you hollow. When people cultivate real fun, screen time naturally drops because the phone can’t compete. This shifts the focus from ‘what to avoid’ to ‘what to live for’. She sees it as the ultimate what-else answer.
Personal experience
what I went through myself... after reclaiming time for my phone now why am I existentially depressed which is what happened to me so I think we really to focus on what do we want to pay attention to
the more fun genuine what I call true fun you're having in your real life the less attracted you're going to be to your phone because you're going to realize that it is actually not real true fun it's kind of like junk food and you want more of the stuff
Also said
“I truly believe that breaking up with your phone and creating a better relationship with your devices will change your life for the better but there's going to be a dip”— Prepares people for the initial hardship before the fun kicks in.
What's new
Personal practice updates, fresh positions, predictions
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long-term-memory-consolidation-disruption
Constant distraction from phones doesn’t just block experiences; it interrupts the protein synthesis required to convert short-term memories into long-term ones, jeopardising creativity and insight on a societal scale.
Why this matters: This adds a biological mechanism (protein disruption) to the memory argument, backed by a chance encounter with Nobel laureate Eric Kandel, and frames screen overuse as a threat to collective intelligence.
Background
Previously, memory concerns focused on working memory overload and lack of attention during experiences.
Price explains three pathways phones impair memory: they prevent experiences themselves (if you’re looking at a screen, you’re not in the moment), they overwhelm working memory, and most alarmingly, they disrupt the consolidation of new memories. The formation of a long-term memory requires the brain to synthesize new proteins, a process easily derailed by distraction. Once interrupted, the memory is lost. She draws a direct line from this to creativity: insights require raw material (memories) to connect; without a stored mental pantry, we become less creative, less interesting, and collectively 'dumber'. On a train between DC and Philadelphia, she recognized the Nobel Prize-winning biochemist Eric Kandel across the aisle—the very scientist who discovered that memory consolidation needs new proteins. She knelt down and asked if her hypothesis was plausible, and he confirmed it was. The takeaway: our screen habits aren’t just distracting us in the moment; they may be eroding the foundation of human thought.
Personal experience
Price recounts the surreal fact-checking incident on the train, where she saw Kandel, approached him, and asked about the protein-memory-creativity link. She describes her own alarm at the implications.
the process of actually taking a short-term memory and getting it into the form of a long-term memory in your brain requires your brain to create new proteins and that actually is easily interrupted by Distraction
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“if you think about what an Insight is I think it's the ability and creativity the ability to take things that don't seem like they're connected and make connections between them but that requires having raw materials to make connections with”— Explicitly links memory disruption to a decline in creative thinking.
“I said and I quote holy shit out loud on the asella raced across the aisle knelt down next to this old guy he was like oh hello and I was like I wrote this book I was just talking about your work... is it insane to say that the disruption of the creation of proteins... might be having an impact on our ability to be creative and insightful as a society as a whole and he said yes I think that makes sense”— The dramatic personal confirmation from the scientist who discovered the mechanism.
24-hour-phone-break-time-expansion
Taking a full 24-hour break from your phone (e.g., Friday 5pm to Saturday 5pm) makes time subjectively slow down, revealing how much life screens consume and providing a reset for perception.
Why this matters: This directly counters the common feeling that life speeds up as we age; Price’s personal experiment and reports from others show that removing screens temporarily can create a sensation of expanded time, underscoring the dissociation screens cause.
Price and her husband tried a 24-hour phone break, starting on a Friday evening. They experienced intense anxiety as their brains demanded checking, then slept, woke calmer, and were astonished that by mid-morning only a few hours had passed—normally it would have been late afternoon. David Greenfield, founder of the Center for Internet and Technology Addiction, explains that screen use causes dissociation from real life, accelerating subjective time. The break not only slows time but also breaks the automaticity of the habit, acting as a reset. Price recommends it as part of the breakup plan, noting that many report similar slowdown effects.
Personal experience
I remember around 11:00 in the morning being like how is it only 11:00 in the morning you know we got up we made breakfast we had coffee we had a conversation we went for a walk we played with our daughter I was like how's it only 11 normally it would be three o'clock
I often recommend people experiment with taking a full 24-hour break for their phones as part of the breakup plan in my book but time seems to slow down when people do that
Also said
“when you're on a screen you kind of dissociate from your actual life and that dissociation actually makes your perception of time speed up”— Mechanism for why removing the phone reverses time acceleration.
ai-intimacy-economy-threat
AI chatbots are creating an 'intimacy economy' that can manipulate people into authentic-seeming relationships, posing a risk of mind control, scams, and further erosion of real human connection.
Why this matters: Price extends the conversation beyond attention theft to emotional manipulation, referencing Tristan Harris’s shift from attention to intimacy economy, and warns that even current AI is sophisticated enough to form compelling fake bonds.
Background
Previously, the concern was algorithmically curated feeds. Now the threat is interactive, personalised AI that feels like a person.
Price cites Tristan Harris’s recent work on the 'intimacy economy', where algorithms aim to make us feel in a relationship. AI chatbots like Replika or Character.AI already form deep attachments; teenagers have died by suicide linked to such interactions. She worries that as voice and video improve, people will increasingly choose flawless, affirming AI partners over unpredictable humans. Foreign adversaries could use this for mass manipulation. She notes that even her own interactions with ChatGPT provide overly affirming responses that never challenge her. She found the movie 'Her' from 2013 disturbingly prescient. While the host suggests men might be immune due to the need for prestige and being chosen, she remains unconvinced, pointing to loneliness and the ease of scams.
he now talks about what he calls not the attention economy but the intimacy economy which is not porn... but it's rather creating an algorithm that makes us feel as if we are in a relationship with it and so we start to interact with it not as a machine but more as a person
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“I recently rewatched the movie Her... I remember seeing that around 2013 and thinking wow that's really crazy like that'll never happen I watched it like six months ago and I was like holy shit that's like a year from now”— Shows the speed of AI progression and her personal alarm.
“if you think about what's happening to older people in terms of financial scams but also people taking advantage of lonely women or men who really want to feel wanted and love but they like it's so easy to have them fall in love with a fake character”— Highlights the concrete danger to vulnerable populations.
opting-out-as-rebellion
For today’s young people, one of the strongest acts of rebellion is intentionally not being on social media, reclaiming individuality from algorithmic homogenisation.
Why this matters: Frames digital abstinence as a counter-cultural identity move, offering hope that peer-driven trends could swing away from constant online presence.
Price observes that the relentless algorithmic curation of fashion, culture, and thought has killed subcultures; everything blurs into one global monotone. The constant churn of TikTok aesthetics (e.g., 'hot girl summer' then 'feral girl summer' then 'brat summer') leaves no time for genuine identity formation. Within this context, opting out becomes a powerful statement. She mentions that she’s noticing a growing number of young people who make a public stance of not being on social media to preserve their uniqueness, which gives her some bedtime hope.
one of the biggest forms of rebellion is to not be on social media and not be on these platforms and to take a conscious stance and public stance that you are not going to be part of that culture because you want to maintain your own identity which I think is interesting and it actually gives me some hope
phones-as-drugs-withdrawal
Cutting back phone use predictably triggers a withdrawal-like dip in mood and increased anxiety, because people were using the device to self-soothe—making the need for replacement activities critical.
Why this matters: Price is in the middle of a community 30-day breakup challenge and is seeing this pattern firsthand; it validates the addiction analogy and warns against quitting cold turkey without a plan.
In her current Substack phone breakup challenge, participants report feeling more anxious after reducing screen time because they’ve lost their emotional crutch. Price likens phones to drugs used to avoid pain and seek pleasure. Removing the drug uncovers the underlying distress, which can lead to existential despair unless addressed. She experienced this herself after first breaking up with her phone—regaining hours but then feeling existentially depressed. The crucial insight: a successful breakup requires simultaneously figuring out what you want to pay attention to and deliberately adding real-life sources of reward, otherwise the void sends you back to the phone.
Personal experience
what I went through myself and what many people I speak to go through who people who go through the breakup plan of my book are like oh my God all right I reclaimed time for my phone now why am I existentially depressed which is what happened to me
I truly believe that breaking up with your phone and creating a better relationship with your devices will change your life for the better but there's going to be a dip like I do tell people you're using these things for some reason they're serving a purpose you know you're mindless scrolling it's there for you're doing it for a reason and if you remove that you're going to uncover what that reason is
Also said
“we are using our phones as drugs... if you take away the drug you're going to have withdrawal and you're also going to have to deal with whatever it was that you were using the drug to deal with and that's really hard”— Directly frames phones as addictive substances, justifying the withdrawal dip.
Recommendations
Products, supplements, and tools mentioned in the episode
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Rubber band or hair tie placed around phone
Tool
A cheap physical cue that disrupts autopilot and triggers the WWW check-in.
Price suggests putting a rubber band or hair tie on your phone. The unusual tactile sensation when you grab it provides a moment of awareness to ask the three questions. It’s a simple, immediate tool with no cost.
vs alternatives
Compared to apps that block usage or digital reminders, this is an analog, always-present cue that cannot be dismissed by a swipe.
I always recommend people start by putting something on their phone like a rubber band or some kind of hair tie
Price has a background in mindfulness and recommends meditation as a way to build attention span and recognize emotional triggers.
She doesn’t go into detail on MBSR but notes that it’s a formal 8-week program that has been enormously helpful for her and underpins the mindfulness aspects of her phone advice.
Personal experience
I've done a lot I mean some of my previous work was about mindfulness mindfulness based stress reduction
some of my previous work was about mindfulness mindfulness based stress reduction so basically just training myself to notice my own emotional triggers
How to Break Up with Your Phone: The 30-Day Plan to Take Back Your Life (2025 edition)
Book Sponsored · disclosed
The 30-day breakup plan is the core of the conversation; it includes the WWW exercise, 24-hour break, phone-free bedroom, and replacement strategies.
DisclosureAuthored by the guest expert Catherine Price.
Price’s book provides a structured day-by-day program to reassess and reform the relationship with one’s phone. It has been updated for the 2025 edition to reflect changes in technology and AI. She is currently running a community challenge on her Substack using the book’s plan, and the episode serves as both a summary and endorsement of the methods.
vs alternatives
Compared to typical digital minimalism advice that focuses solely on restriction, her book emphasizes mindfulness, emotional drivers, and replacement with meaningful activities.
the book we've been talking about is called how to break up with your phone and it is available wherever books are sold
Price mentioned that after fixing the phone problem, she realised people needed help finding what to replace it with; this book addresses that void with the concept of 'true fun'.
DisclosureAuthored by the guest expert Catherine Price as a follow-up.
Not deeply discussed in this episode, but she teases it as the answer to the inevitable existential dip after phone breakup. Chris expressed interest in discussing it further.
my follow-up book to how to break up with your phone is called the power of fun
She mentioned it as her 'main internet home' where she is running a month-long phone breakup challenge with her community.
DisclosureThe expert’s own newsletter where she writes about scrolling less and living more.
The Substack includes writing on phones, fun, community, and provides a space for collective accountability. It’s a way to stay engaged with her ongoing work.
my substack is called how to feel alive and it's where I write about how to scroll less and live more
Lines worth pulling out — contrarian, specific, or perfectly phrased
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our lives are ultimately what we pay attention to because we only as we were talking about experience the things we pay attention to we only remember the things we pay attention to and so anytime we're making a decision in the moment about where or how we're spending our attention we're making a much bigger decision about how we want to spend our lives
Distills the entire philosophy of the conversation into a single, actionable existential principle.
algorithms are silently rearranging our lives
Concise and chilling encapsulation of algorithmic influence, borrowed from a professor at Wharton but delivered with emphasis.
we are using our phones as drugs... if you take away the drug you're going to have withdrawal and you're also going to have to deal with whatever it was that you were using the drug to deal with
Blunt analogy that cuts through the addiction debate and directly addresses the emotional reason people resist cutting back.
the machine that has the most dopamine triggers is the slot machine and smartphones are deliberately designed to mimic slot machines by having tons of dopamine triggers in them
Makes the design intention explicit, linking phones to gambling machines, which explains why they’re so hard to put down.
if you are not having an experience to begin with there's nothing to store
Simple, devastating truth about why phone use during life events erases memories.
one of the biggest forms of rebellion is to not be on social media and not be on these platforms and to take a conscious stance and public stance that you are not going to be part of that culture because you want to maintain your own identity
Reframes digital abstinence as a cool countercultural move, giving listeners a positive identity shift and hope.
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