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105: Can Nattokinase Improve Heart & Metabolic Health? with Dr. Ben Bikman
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105: Can Nattokinase Improve Heart & Metabolic Health? with Dr. Ben Bikman

Ben Bikman
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TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

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TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

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Nattokinase, an enzyme from natto (fermented soybeans), demonstrated robust fibrinolytic activity and significantly reduced carotid plaque size (37% vs 25% for statin) in human trials.

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Key mechanisms include activating plasmin to dissolve clot fibrin, boosting lipoprotein lipase to lower triglycerides, and reducing lipid peroxidation—making oxidized LDL less harmful.

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Typical supplement doses range from 2,000–4,000 FU/day (100–200 mg), with studies using up to 10,000 FU; whole natto food is a pungent alternative.

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Caveats: only about 25% oral bioavailability, quality matters, bleeding risk, and limited human data for insulin-sensitizing and anti-peroxidation effects.

Protocols

Concrete recipes — what, when, how much, and why

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Eating natto whole food for natural nattokinase

WhatConsume small servings of natto (fermented soybeans) to obtain nattokinase along with complementary amino acids, vitamins, and minerals.
Whendaily, as a dietary addition
DoseA small serving (no precise amount given) to deliver natural nattokinase; consume regularly for cardiovascular benefits.
For whomThose who can tolerate the strong, pungent taste and sticky texture; may be an alternative for those preferring food-based interventions.
WhyWhole food provides the enzyme in its natural matrix, potentially enhancing its activity and offering additional nutritional support beyond isolated supplements.
CaveatsTaste and smell can be off-putting; requires acclimation. The exact nattokinase content per serving is variable and not standardized. Fermentation process ensures some enzyme presence, but bioavailability may also be an issue. Still, traditional diets high in natto are associated with low heart disease.

Bikman’s default recommendation is to favor whole foods over supplements. He emphasized that natto, while pungent and sticky, has been a dietary staple in Japan for centuries and is associated with lower heart disease rates. A small serving provides nattokinase naturally, along with other beneficial components from the fermentation process. He suggested this might make the enzyme work better or offer broader benefits than the isolated pill. He did not give a specific daily intake but implied that regular consumption in the context of a whole-food diet could replicate the low-heart-disease pattern seen in Japan. This advice aligns with his philosophy of using food as the first line of defense, with supplements as a secondary option.

Mechanism

Natto contains live Bacillus subtilis and the nattokinase enzyme produced during fermentation. Ingesting the whole food delivers the enzyme in a complex matrix that may protect it somewhat during digestion, alongside other fermented byproducts, vitamins (like K2), and amino acids. The enzyme’s fibrinolytic and lipid-lowering actions are the same as the isolated supplement, but the whole food may provide a more physiologically balanced dose.

I'd suggest maybe trying the natto, the the the actual food version of this, if you can acclimate to the pretty strong taste, very pungent, very strong. A small serving delivers nattokynise naturally.

Also said
“you're going to be getting some dose, some level of the enzyme itself produced by the fermenting bacteria, but also you're going to get some of the complimentary amino acids and vitamins and minerals which may help the enzyme work a little better.”— Explains the added benefit of the whole food matrix.

What's new

Personal practice updates, fresh positions, predictions

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Lipid peroxidation reduction is a key protective mechanism

lipid peroxidation discussion

Rodent data show natto extracts reduce lipid peroxidation, which may prevent LDL from becoming the highly atherogenic oxidized LDL. Bikman argues oxidized LDL is a far better predictor of heart disease than total LDL.

Why this matters: Introduces an under-discussed mechanism—peroxidation—as the real driver of LDL’s harm, and positions nattokinase as a natural way to mitigate it, even though human confirmation is still absent.

Background

Conventional cholesterol-centric models focus on total or LDL cholesterol levels, but many people with normal LDL still develop heart disease. The oxidation of LDL is a critical step in foam cell formation and arterial inflammation. If nattokinase can prevent that oxidation, it would explain cardiovascular benefits beyond just lipid lowering.

Bikman explained that oxidized LDL is rapidly engulfed by macrophages, turning them into pro-inflammatory foam cells that build plaque. He noted that rodent studies have shown natto extracts reduce lipid peroxidation, thereby potentially lowering oxidized LDL. This fits neatly with his ‘indifference’ to unoxidized LDL; he emphasized that oxidized LDL tracks heart disease risk much better than total LDL. The human data are missing, but the theory is compelling: if nattokinase prevents the peroxidation of fat molecules on LDL, it would directly short-circuit one of the earliest steps in atherosclerosis. He presented this as part of the enzyme’s complementary mechanisms alongside lowering triglycerides and activating plasmin, though he cautioned that pure nattokinase—not just the whole natto extract—needs testing in humans for this effect.

oxidized LDL is much better statistically at following or tracking people who have an increased risk of heart disease.

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“natto extracts have been shown to reduce lipid peroxidation in rodents. So that's going to lower oxidized LDL which is thought to be so problematic because the oxidized LDL molecule will be rapidly engulfed or readily engulfed by macrofasages.”— Connects the rodent finding directly to the atherogenic cascade of foam cell formation.
“the human studies are lacking in this. There's nothing in humans to confirm this effect that I was able to find. But it nevertheless suggests nattokinise may protect protect against oxidized LDL's harmful effects well by just reducing the peroxidation of LDL in the first place.”— Transparently acknowledges the evidence gap while underscoring the potential.

Low oral bioavailability: only ~25% survives digestion

limitations section

A 2025 paper found that only about a quarter of nattokinase enzymatic activity remains after digestion, raising questions about supplement quality and whether beneficial peptides might be leveraged in the future.

Why this matters: Casts doubt on the real-world efficacy of many nattokinase supplements and underscores the importance of formulation and quality control—a practical concern for consumers.

Bikman flagged a recent (2025) publication showing that nattokinase is significantly degraded during digestion, with roughly 25% bioavailability. This means a large portion of the ingested enzyme might never reach the bloodstream intact. He noted that this could explain variability in study results and consumer experiences. He mentioned that emerging technologies, like creating small bioactive peptides from the enzyme, might circumvent the digestion problem, but for now the quality of the supplement matters enormously—cheap, unprotected formulations may deliver far less activity than the label suggests. He did not cite brand-specific data but stressed that consumers should be aware that the actual dose reaching the blood may be much lower than listed.

a paper published just this year in 2025 showed that only about a quarter of the enzymes activity actually survives digestion.

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“in the meantime, you just have to be mindful of the fact that the quality of the supplement with nattokinise is probably going to be quite important and you're not going to be generally getting as much possibly as you think.”— Direct consumer advice resulting from the bioavailability finding.

Recommendations

Products, supplements, and tools mentioned in the episode

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Nattokinase enzyme supplement

Supplement

Bikman recommends nattokinase supplements for cardiovascular health, especially for clot dissolution and plaque reduction, citing multiple human studies. He does not endorse a specific brand but stresses the importance of quality due to low bioavailability.

He presented nattokinase as a well-studied supplement with doses typically ranging from 100–200 mg or 2,000–4,000 FU daily, and noted that higher doses up to 10,000 FU have been used in trials. He recommended checking with a clinician, particularly for anyone on blood thinners or with bleeding disorders. The main evidence encompasses D-dimer increase and fibrinogen reduction (clot breakdown), significant carotid plaque regression, and improvement in triglycerides and HDL. He cautioned that only about 25% of the enzyme’s activity survives digestion, so the supplement’s formulation matters greatly. Compared to statins, he argued nattokinase can be more effective for plaque reduction and has a better side-effect profile. He also acknowledged that some benefits, like lipid peroxidation reduction, are based on rodent studies and haven’t been confirmed in humans yet.

vs alternatives

Outperformed simvastatin (37% vs 25% plaque reduction) in a human trial; lacks the myopathy, glucose dysregulation, and other side effects common with statins; also improves triglycerides and HDL, whereas statins primarily lower LDL.

if the supplements are your choice, then I mentioned the general doses earlier, 100 to 200 milligrams daily or in that lower range of the 2 to 4,000 units. That's what's been mostly studied.

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“one of the studies I shared with you had people going up to 10,000 units. But of course, check with your clinician, especially if you're on any other kinds of medications.”— Reinforces the dose range and medical caveat.
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Consuming natto (fermented soybeans) as a whole food

Practice

As a first-line dietary approach, Bikman encourages trying the traditional Japanese food natto for its natural nattokinase content and additional nutritional benefits.

Bikman framed natto as a centuries-old staple linked to low heart disease rates in Japan. He noted its extreme stickiness and pungent flavor may be challenging, but a small serving delivers the enzyme naturally alongside amino acids, vitamins, and minerals that could enhance its effectiveness. He did not provide a specific amount but implied that regular inclusion in the diet, much like the Japanese pattern, could confer protective effects. This recommendation is food-based and does not rely on any particular brand; it’s a practice rather than a product. For those willing to acclimate to the taste, it offers a whole-food alternative to isolated supplements.

vs alternatives

Compared to isolated nattokinase supplements, whole natto provides a broader nutrient profile and may have better physiological synergy, though exact dosing is unpredictable. Supplements offer standardized FU units and convenience without the strong taste.

First, my recommendation, I always like to kind of default to whole food. So, if you are interested in trying this, I'd suggest maybe trying the natto, the the the actual food version of this, if you can acclimate to the pretty strong taste

Also said
“For centuries natto has been a dietary mainstay in Japan linked to lower heart disease rates. And indeed, perhaps this is part of why in Japan, heart disease is just so consistently low.”— Provides epidemiological context for the food recommendation.
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Notable quotes

Lines worth pulling out — contrarian, specific, or perfectly phrased

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nattokinise group experienced a 37% reduction in corateed plaque size and a significant reduction in IM MT in fact it outperformed the statin which reduced plaque size by only about 25%.
Direct head-to-head superiority over a common statin—very striking and actionable comparison.
Triglycerides ... are a critical marker of cardiovascular health. far better at predicting heart disease risk than just LDL cholesterol.
Challenges mainstream cholesterol focus and elevates triglycerides as the more important target.
oxidized LDL is much better statistically at following or tracking people who have an increased risk of heart disease.
Puts a finer point on why LDL alone can be misleading—peroxidation is the real villain.
Sometimes it'll be expressed as milligrams. Other times it'll be expressed as something called FUS, which makes it sound like I am insulting you a little bit or telling you where to go, but it's actually it stands for fibbronolytic units, fibbronolytic units or FU.
Memorable, humorous explanation of the unit that makes the dose stick in the mind.
only about a quarter of the enzymes activity actually survives digestion.
A sobering bioavailability figure that could temper unrealistic expectations from supplements.
this simple enzyme extracted from this Japanese staple can rival or even outperform some of the pharmaceutical equivalents. Of course, I would add all ideally or I suspect without any of the significant side effects that come with those pharmaceutical alternatives
Bold claim positioning a food-derived enzyme as a safer, possibly superior alternative to prescribed statins.

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nattokinasenattofibrin-clot-dissolutionplasminogen-activationd-dimerfibrinogencarotid-plaque-regressionstatin-comparisontriglycerideshdl-cholesterollipid-peroxidationoxidized-ldlfoam-cellslipoprotein-lipasehormone-sensitive-lipasehmg-coa-reductaseinsulin-sensitivityfasting-insulinbioavailabilitycardiovascular-health
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