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Build Muscle & Strength & Forge Your Life Path | Dorian Yates
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Build Muscle & Strength & Forge Your Life Path | Dorian Yates

Andrew Huberman
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TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

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TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

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Dorian Yates advocates for low-volume, high-intensity resistance training (2-3 times a week, 45 minutes per session) to muscular failure, emphasizing recovery and proper form over excessive volume, even for the average person.

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He highlights the importance of using negative emotions and anger as fuel for motivation, a 'fuck you' motivation, to achieve goals and overcome challenges.

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Yates emphasizes that while competitive bodybuilding often involves performance-enhancing drugs, individuals should pursue natural gains as far as possible, as gains from anabolics are temporary and come with significant health risks.

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He discusses his personal exploration of psychedelics, particularly DMT and Ayahuasca, which provided him with a profound shift in perspective on consciousness, interconnectedness, and the nature of reality, though he no longer actively uses them.

Protocols

Concrete recipes — what, when, how much, and why

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Low-Volume, High-Intensity Resistance Training

WhatTrain 2-3 times per week for 45 minutes, focusing on taking each set to muscular failure with perfect form and mind-muscle connection, after adequate warm-up.
When2-3 times per week.
Dose45 minutes per session.
For whomThe average person seeking health and fitness benefits, not competitive bodybuilders. Beginners should first focus on learning correct form before pushing to failure.
WhyTo stimulate muscle growth by providing sufficient overload without overtraining, allowing for optimal recovery and adaptation. The body only changes when given a 'bloody good reason' (sufficient stress) and then adequate time to recover and overcompensate.
CaveatsFor beginners, prioritize learning correct movement patterns before pushing to failure. Experienced individuals with good mind-muscle connection might achieve results with fewer sets. Those using anabolics can recover faster, so natural athletes need more recovery time. Periodize training with hard phases (5-6 weeks) followed by submaximal or lighter training (2 weeks) to prevent plateaus and aid recovery.

Yates emphasizes that the body resists change and requires significant stress to adapt. His method involves doing just enough to stimulate growth, but not so much that it hinders recovery. He uses the analogy of knocking down a wall (training) and then needing time and materials (recovery and nutrition) to rebuild it stronger. Going back to the gym too soon is like knocking down the wall before it's finished. For beginners, the initial focus is entirely on mastering form and understanding muscle mechanics, not on lifting heavy or going to failure. Only after a few weeks of perfect form practice should intensity be gradually increased. He notes that while some studies suggest hitting a muscle every 48-72 hours, his real-world experience and that of others shows that once-a-week training per body part, with high intensity, is more effective for natural individuals, as overtraining can lead to regression and constant aches and pains. The goal is to stimulate, recover, and adapt, not to constantly damage.

Mechanism

Muscle growth (hypertrophy) occurs not during the workout itself, but during the recovery period when the body repairs and overcompensates for the stress (damage) inflicted during training. Sufficient intensity (overload) is necessary to trigger this adaptive response, but excessive volume or frequency can impede recovery, leading to stagnation or regression. The nervous system also requires recovery, especially after intense compound movements like legs.

Personal experience

I've done it. You change your life literally with that and a good diet. So the whole time thing [clears throat] excuses, it's not relevant. I'm not listening. You don't need a lot of time. ... I was kind of training like that and everyone was telling me this is not the way to do it. You need to train more often, uh do more sets and so on. So I tried it and uh the whole thing with my career is a bit like a science experiment in a way that I documented everything. So I've got every workout. The first time I stepped in the gym and said seriously, okay, I'm going to train and uh I want to be a competitive bodybuilder and this is how I'm going to change my life and maybe I'm going to get a gym or something like that. That was about it at the time. But I said, "Okay, so I'm tracking everything. My progress is going really well. I'm training like three times a week for maybe 45 minutes, an hour, but I'm working as well. I'm doing construction. I'm doing some heavy jobs. So, this is taking energy. Going well. Going well. Okay, then let me try it. Let me jack it up. And I'm train four times a week. I do a little bit more. What happened? Nothing. [laughter] That's what happened. Everything stopped for three or four weeks. I cut it back. Started growing again.

If you could give me 45 minutes twice a week, that's all you need to do. And it's not theory because I've done it. You change your life literally with that and a good diet.

Also said
“The body does not want to change. It wants to keep status quo. So you got to give it a bloody good reason as we would say in England to change, right? So you got to put more stress on the body than it's used to. And then you need to recover from that.”— Explains the fundamental principle of progressive overload and recovery.
“The process is stimulate, right? So you got to train, you got to overload. And during this process, you're not growing. You're creating damage, stress to the muscle that then has to recover and then overcompensate.”— Clarifies that growth happens during recovery, not during the workout itself.
“So two things need to be in place. need to be sufficient intensity or overload or there'll be no reaction and then you need to recover from that.”— Summarizes the two critical components for effective training.

High-Intensity Interval Training (HIIT) Cardio

WhatPerform 6 minutes of sprints, including warm-up and cool-down, 2-3 times per week.
When2-3 times per week.
Dose6 minutes total, with 20-second all-out sprints.
For whomThe average person looking for efficient cardio for health benefits.
WhyTo achieve cardiovascular benefits comparable to longer, steady-state cardio in a much shorter time, making it more time-efficient and accessible for busy individuals.
CaveatsRequires maximal effort during sprints. An air bike is recommended for full-body engagement. Beginners should ensure proper warm-up.

Yates recommends a highly efficient form of cardio: 6-minute sprint sessions. This involves a minute to a minute and a half warm-up, followed by 20-second all-out sprints, with a minute of slow recovery in between. He specifically favors the air bike because it engages the entire body (push, pull, legs). He notes that the second sprint is typically the hardest, and by the third, most people are completely exhausted. He cites studies (like 'The One-Minute Cardio' concept) that suggest these short, intense bursts yield similar results to 45 minutes of steady-state cardio. This method addresses the common 'lack of time' excuse, making effective cardiovascular training accessible even for those with busy schedules. He personally incorporates this alongside longer, more enjoyable cardio like mountain biking.

Personal experience

Well, guess how long the cardio was? Six minutes. [clears throat] Six minutes. You mean pedal hard? We're doing We're doing um sprints. Mhm. like on an air bike. It's my favorite because it engages every muscle. Push, pull, legs.

So, what do you want to do? Do you want to spend six minutes? Do you want to spend 45 minutes? I rather do the six minutes.

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“If you do a 20 second all out and you can see how you got on the side of the thing, you can see how much watts you're generating. So now you have a target to hit or exceed every time.”— Provides a specific metric for intensity and progression.
“And the benefits from that again, I think there's a book called the one minute cardio. It's a bit tricky because it's not really one minute. It's one minute of sprints, but it's 6 minutes in total. and they compared that to 45 minutes of steady cardio on a treadmill or whatever it is. And the results are more or less the same.”— Highlights the efficiency and comparative effectiveness of HIIT cardio.

Training Periodization (Hard/Submaximal Cycles)

WhatTrain intensely for 5-6 weeks, then reduce intensity to submaximal or lighter weights for 2 weeks.
WhenCycle every 5-6 weeks.
Dose2 weeks of submaximal training.
For whomAnyone engaged in consistent resistance training.
WhyTo prevent plateaus, allow for full recovery of muscles and the nervous system, and promote continued progress by giving the body a chance to rebuild and supercompensate.
CaveatsDuring the submaximal phase, focus on blood flow and maintenance, not pushing to failure. Taking a full week off entirely a couple of times a year can also be beneficial.

Yates observes that continuous hard training often leads to plateaus after about 5-6 weeks. To overcome this, he recommends a periodization strategy: 5-6 weeks of intense training followed by 2 weeks of submaximal work. During the submaximal phase, the goal is not to push to failure but to maintain activity with lighter weights, focusing on blood flow and muscle maintenance. He also suggests that taking a full week off from the gym entirely a couple of times a year can be highly beneficial, often leading to increased strength upon return. This approach acknowledges the body's need for cyclical recovery, especially the nervous system, which can become fatigued from constant high-intensity training. It's a practical application of the stimulate-recover-adapt principle to ensure long-term progress and prevent overtraining-related aches and pains.

Personal experience

So I tell people train [clears throat] real hard for like five or six weeks and then come down for two weeks maybe submaximal. So you'll sort of saw to it like that hard for five or six weeks then back off. And during that two weeks are you telling people to stay out of the gym entirely? No. I'm telling them you can go in and do some light weight like but nowhere near failure blood flow keep the maintenance if you want to take a week off I think is good couple of times a year a lot of guys when I had a gym you know the guys I'm stuck on this and that I said okay take a week off no what do you mean I said man just take a week off yeah come back in a week and tell me how you feel and I came back and I was stronger I was like yeah no [ __ ] man because you've rested you let your body rest and rebuild so that be a lesson to So, if I could travel back in time, I wouldn't have called the movie Pumping Iron. I would have called it Stress and Adapt. Stress stress recover adapt.

So I tell people train [clears throat] real hard for like five or six weeks and then come down for two weeks maybe submaximal.

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“And during that two weeks are you telling people to stay out of the gym entirely? No. I'm telling them you can go in and do some light weight like but nowhere near failure blood flow keep the maintenance if you want to take a week off I think is good couple of times a year a lot of guys when I had a gym you know the guys I'm stuck on this and that I said okay take a week off”— Clarifies the nature of the submaximal training phase and the option for full rest.
“I came back and I was stronger I was like yeah no [ __ ] man because you've rested you let your body rest and rebuild so that be a lesson to So, if I could travel back in time, I wouldn't have called the movie Pumping Iron. I would have called it Stress and Adapt. Stress stress recover adapt.”— Emphasizes the benefit of rest for strength gains and recovery.

Mind-Muscle Connection and Form

WhatFocus on feeling the target muscle contract and squeeze during exercises, especially with lighter weights, and maintain perfect form even when the exercise becomes difficult.
For whomAll individuals, especially beginners learning new movements.
WhyTo effectively isolate and stimulate the intended muscle, preventing other muscle groups from taking over and ensuring the stress is directed where it's most needed for growth.
CaveatsThe brain naturally tries to recruit other muscles or alter form to make an exercise easier when it gets hard; this instinct must be overridden.

Yates stresses that for effective muscle stimulation, particularly with high-intensity training, a strong mind-muscle connection is crucial. For beginners, this means initially using lighter weights to truly feel the target muscle working and understand its mechanics (e.g., what the pecs do). He often asks trainees, 'Do you feel that? Do you feel how it contracts?' Once this connection is established, the challenge is to maintain it as the exercise becomes harder. The body's natural instinct is to recruit other muscles or change form to make the movement easier, which can detract from the target muscle's stimulation. Overriding this instinct is key to ensuring the intended muscle receives the full overload. This foundational focus on form and connection is more important than immediately pushing to failure.

Personal experience

A raw beginner first of all you need to learn how to do the movements correctly before let's thinking about going to failure. So it'll be a certain period of time learning to do the exercise correctly. Uh putting some kind of idea in their head of what's going on. Mhm. [clears throat] Uh you know what do the pecs do? Bring your arms down and across the body. What do your lats do? They bring your upper arm down and back. So, you'll be amazed like if your nephew are pro bodybuilders, some of them don't know like why they're doing what they're doing. What's the mechanics involved? And I get them to do light sets very perfect. Do you feel that? Do you feel how it contracts when you lats and you squeeze and you contract? Yeah, I feel it. Feel it. Okay, now you got it.

But you've got to try to maintain that when it gets really hard because we're going against the natural mechanics of the body here, right? Because we're, as I say, we're doing chest. Yeah. Trying to isolate the pecs.

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“When the exercise gets really hard, your brain is going to try to recruit or change the exercise to make it easier. So, I got to get people to override that instinct. Just stick with the form until we get to the point where you can't do anymore and understand, you know, that's why I get them to do light stuff at first to really feel it, understand.”— Explains the challenge of maintaining form and the importance of overriding natural compensatory movements.

Intermittent Fasting and Diet for Health

WhatEat 1-2 meals per day within a compressed eating window (e.g., between 12 PM and 10 PM), focusing on higher protein and fats, with fewer carbohydrates.
WhenDaily, with meals between 12 PM and 10 PM.
Dose1-2 meals per day.
For whomIndividuals looking to improve metabolic health, lose body fat, or manage conditions like pre-diabetes and fatty liver. (Speaker's personal experience and an anecdote with a client).
WhyTo improve blood sugar regulation, liver function, and reduce body fat, especially for individuals with metabolic issues like pre-diabetes or fatty liver.
CaveatsThis approach was particularly effective for a client with diabetes and liver problems, combined with resistance training. It represents a shift from a traditional bodybuilder's diet.

Yates shares an anecdote about a client with diabetes, liver problems, and overweight issues. He put this client on a regimen of three 45-minute weight training sessions per week, combined with a very low-carb diet for a short period. Within one month, the client's blood sugar normalized, liver enzymes returned to normal, and he lost 5-6 kg of body fat. This success led Yates to adopt a similar dietary strategy for himself, shifting from frequent bodybuilder meals to intermittent fasting with 1-2 meals a day, higher in protein and fats, and lower in carbs. He emphasizes that the common advice to avoid fat for fatty liver is misguided, as the root cause is often uncontrolled blood sugar. This protocol aims to manage insulin and blood sugar effectively, leading to improved overall metabolic health.

Personal experience

So right now I eat probably twice a day in between 12 and 10 and might have a shake or something like that. So it's more higher protein and fats, bit less carbs, uh intermittent fasting and I feel great on it. I go in the morning, get up, do my things.

After one month, obviously, I changed his diet as well. Basically, for a short period of time, very low carbs. Uh after one month, he was not in the diabetic zone. He was out of the pre-diabetic zone. It was in the normal range. Great. and his liver function that was three times the normal amount liver enzymes was back to normal.

Also said
“My doctor told me not to eat fat.' I'm like, 'Man, do you know how long, at least I don't know here, but in England, how long an MD, a doctor spends studying nutrition?' Yeah, it's trivial. One afternoon, two or three hours. I mean, you can learn nothing. So, the doctor was telling me he's got a fatty liver, so stop eating fat. I said, that's absolutely the worst advice you could get because the reason you've got fatty liver is because uncontrolled blood sugar.”— Highlights the common misconception about fatty liver and the importance of blood sugar control.

Sunlight Exposure for Health

WhatSpend time in the sun daily, gradually increasing exposure, and avoid getting burnt.
WhenDaily.
DoseAs much as possible without burning.
For whomEveryone, especially those in less sunny climates or with conditions like schizophrenia (based on correlational data).
WhySunlight is essential for overall health, beyond just Vitamin D production. It improves metabolism, blood glucose regulation, charges mitochondria, and positively impacts mood via dopamine pathways.
CaveatsAvoid sunburn. Use clothing or hats if prolonged exposure is needed. Some individuals may need to supplement Vitamin D regardless of sun exposure due to genetic factors.

Yates strongly advocates for regular sunlight exposure, calling it 'the giver of all life on the planet.' He criticizes the societal fear of the sun, emphasizing that the key is to avoid burning. He shares his personal experience of gradually adapting to more sun exposure, despite having very pale skin, to the point where he can now stay out all day without burning. He notes that people moving from the UK to Spain often experience better health, attributing it largely to the sun. Huberman adds scientific context, explaining that sunlight, particularly long-wavelength light, directly charges mitochondria throughout the body, improving metabolism and blood glucose regulation. This effect is independent of, but complementary to, Vitamin D production (which comes from UV light). Sunlight also impacts dopamine synthesis, contributing to feelings of well-being. There's also a correlation between less sunlight and higher rates of schizophrenia, suggesting a protective role of light.

Personal experience

I mean, uh I've talked about it before to friends and everything. I was like, and and I mean, I was in the club, right? Isn't it a ridiculous joke how we've been told to be scared of the sun when it's the giver of all life on the planet? Somehow it can be bad for us. That's just ridiculous. Yeah. If you go in the sun and you start to get burnt, get out of the sun. Throw on a layer of clothing. Yeah. And put on a hat. Yeah. Listen, man. I'm as white as they come naturally. Yeah. I'm like a bottle of milk, man. But I went to Spain and my I guess my nutrition improved. Much better fruits and vegetables there. That might be something. But I slowly introduced myself to the sun and [clears throat] now I can stay out all day. I might get a bit reddish because I'm pale skin, but I don't get burnt or nothing, man. I can stay in the sun all day.

I think overall health, the sun is essential. I mean, uh I've talked about it before to friends and everything. I was like, and and I mean, I was in the club, right? Isn't it a ridiculous joke how we've been told to be scared of the sun when it's the giver of all life on the planet? Somehow it can be bad for us. That's just ridiculous.

Also said
“The more time you get in the sun the longer your life. The more time you get in the sun the better your blood glucose regulation. The more time you get in the sun and on and on and on. And the opposite is also true. Too much time under just LED lights and not enough sunlight is damaging to mitochondria. And it's a very big effect.”— Huberman's scientific backing for the broad benefits of sunlight.
“The feeling good in the sun is not a trivial thing. It's through the dopamine pathway and and and the melanin pathway. The other thing that's really interesting is that there's been a study recently where they gave people a glucose tolerance test, how well they manage blood sugar, insulin, etc. And in sunlight or even with some sunlight just landing on their back, their metabolism goes up by about I believe it's you know 29% and their blood glucose regulation is far better.”— Explains the physiological mechanisms behind sunlight's positive effects on mood and metabolism.

Breathing Practices for Mind-Body Connection

WhatPractice conscious breathing, particularly through the nose, and explore different breathing techniques.
For whomAnyone seeking to improve their mental and physical health, or explore consciousness.
WhyTo enhance mind-body connection, improve overall well-being, and potentially access altered states of consciousness.
CaveatsYates became more conscious of breathing through yoga practices. He notes that while in the gym, the natural tendency is to breathe through the mouth, conscious effort can change this.

Yates's journey into conscious breathing began with yoga, where he learned various techniques. He highlights the profound impact breathing can have, even suggesting it can 'produce DMT' and significantly 'shift your yourself.' He contrasts his past gym habit of open-mouth gulping for air with his current practice of nose breathing, which he finds more beneficial. This increased awareness of his breath has led to a deeper mind-body connection, allowing him to 'speak to my whole body' and 'check in with my organs.' He believes this holistic approach to health, integrating physical and mental practices, is crucial, and that unresolved traumas can manifest as disease, making self-exploration and mindset shifts vital. This practice contributes to his current state of feeling balanced and peaceful.

Personal experience

And speaking about breathing, I mean I came a lot more conscious about that through doing yoga practices. At one point I really got into yoga and the breathing different breathing techniques were different thing. I mean you can do breathing to like produce DMT and like you can really shift your yourself just with breathing. It's amazing what you can do. So I went through all that and became much more conscious about breathing and trying to breathe through the nose where in the gym you [gasps] know naturally got your mouth open and trying to gulp in as much oxygen as I can. So uh breathing is definitely important.

Now I'm whole body conscious and uh health has a lot to do with the mind maybe more than we even realize.

Also said
“I feel like I I can [clears throat] speak to my whole body like anywhere I want to go speak to my cells uh contact my organs and check in with them and make sure everything's all right. I had exterior muscle consciousness but nothing else.”— Illustrates the depth of mind-body connection achieved through conscious breathing.

Posture and Functional Training for Longevity

WhatEngage in practices like Pilates, yoga, and functional training to improve posture, maintain mobility, and prevent height loss.
For whomAnyone, especially those getting older or with a history of intense physical training.
WhyTo counteract the effects of aging and specific training (like bodybuilding) that can lead to poor posture and joint issues, ensuring long-term functionality and quality of life.
CaveatsBodybuilding can lead to forward-rotated shoulders and a hunched posture due to muscle development; functional training helps correct this.

Yates shares a surprising personal discovery: he actually gained height as he aged, not through bone growth, but by improving his posture. He attributes this to consistent practice of Pilates, yoga, and functional training. These practices helped him reset his shoulders, straighten his cervical arch (counteracting 'text neck' or the forward hunch common in bodybuilders), and stand taller. He emphasizes that while bodybuilding can build impressive muscle, it can also lead to postural issues like forward-rotated shoulders due to large pecs and lats. His current training focuses on maintaining functionality and preventing pain, rather than building more muscle. He now does upper and lower body workouts once a week with moderate weights, prioritizing movements he can do without risking injury, like Bulgarian squats instead of heavy leg presses. This shift reflects a focus on long-term health and quality of life.

Personal experience

It was interesting, man. I didn't keep my height. Really? I got taller. [laughter] No, I told I posted uh about a month ago, six weeks on my page, just teasing people. Uhhuh. Because I went to get some orthratics in my shoes, you know, to balance uh out. And uh the guy's got the measuring thing. So, I just stood on and said, "You're 183." Like 18. I've never been more than 18. Metric system, folks. Yeah. Yeah. Right. It's like six foot, right? I was 10 510 and a half 5'11 maybe. So, did I physically grow bone? No. That's what I thought cuz I'm 6'1. I heard you're 510. Walked in thinking maybe people usually lose a little bit of height unless they train real hard and they make sure to take great care of themselves and then I walk in and you Yeah. You're about 6 feet. Yeah. But the thing is why? Because I've been doing Pilates and functional training and resetting the shoulders back. My posture is much better. So, I'm standing straighter, which gives me an extra inch of height. So, I've actually got taller.

My posture is much better. So, I'm standing straighter, which gives me an extra inch of height. So, I've actually got taller.

Also said
“I've done yoga for like seven years. I've done pilateses. Do some functional training. So, it's all about getting this thing in to the best shape. I don't have any pain, joint pains. I had hip replacement like 14 months ago, which is great.”— Details the specific practices he uses and their benefits for joint health and pain prevention.
“So, you lose a bit of height because when you lift and your pecs get bigger and your lats, your shoulders rotate forward. You're trying to hunch forward. So, you're sitting a little bit lower.”— Explains how traditional bodybuilding can negatively impact posture and height.

What's new

Personal practice updates, fresh positions, predictions

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Re-evaluation of Muscle Mass for Longevity

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Dorian Yates, after a lifetime dedicated to building extreme muscle mass, is now actively trying to reduce his muscle for health and longevity, believing that carrying excessive weight, even muscle, is not ideal as one gets older.

Why this matters: This is a significant shift in perspective from a legendary bodybuilder, challenging the conventional bodybuilding goal of maximal muscle at all costs, especially for older individuals.

Background

Yates spent decades as a competitive bodybuilder, reaching extreme levels of muscle mass. He observed his blood pressure was high even on TRT and with training, prompting a re-evaluation of his dietary and training habits.

Yates explains that he had been eating like a bodybuilder for years, consuming frequent meals of chicken breast and rice out of habit. However, a check-up revealed high blood pressure, which prompted him to change his diet to lower protein, more plant-based, and incorporate intermittent fasting. He consciously aimed to lose muscle mass, acknowledging it was an interesting exercise given his life's dedication to building it. He believes that carrying a lot of weight, even muscle, is not ideal for health as one ages. This decision was also partly to check his ego, as he noted others were more concerned about his perceived 'skinniness' than he was. He reduced his weight from 250 lbs to 230 lbs and now feels great on his current diet of higher protein and fats with fewer carbs, eating twice a day.

Personal experience

I was a few years ago still at like 250, you know, just on TRT and some training and I went for a checkup. My blood pressure was a bit high and it just triggered something in me like I've been eating still like a bodybuilder, you know, frequent meals, chicken breast and rice. I don't know, it's just habit. So I kept doing it. I said, I'm going to go on a lower protein diet, uh, more plant-based, and, uh, lose some weight, right? But which weight am I going to lose? I'm not I'm not fat, so I guess I'm going to lose muscle mass.

I'm losing some weight because I think uh if you're carrying a lot of weight when you get older, even if it's muscle, I don't think it's ideal, right?

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“I'm not I'm not fat, so I guess I'm going to lose muscle mass. But it was interesting uh exercise in that I dedicated my whole life to earlier life to building muscle mass. Now, I'm actively trying to lose it uh for health reasons, but also I wanted to check my ego.”— Highlights the personal and ego-driven aspect of his decision to lose muscle.
“So, I brought my weight down from 250 to 230. And uh at that point I put more protein and fat. So right now I eat probably twice a day in between 12 and 10 and might have a shake or something like that. So it's more higher protein and fats, bit less carbs, uh intermittent fasting and I feel great on it.”— Details his current dietary approach and its positive impact on his well-being.

The 'Fuck You' Motivation

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Yates reveals his primary motivation during his competitive career was a 'fuck you' attitude towards those who doubted him, transforming anger and negative emotions into fuel for his relentless pursuit of success.

Why this matters: This offers a raw and unconventional insight into the psychological drive of an elite athlete, contrasting with more commonly discussed positive motivations.

Background

Yates grew up in a blue-collar background in Birmingham, facing skepticism and a lack of support early in his career. He was an underdog, often told he couldn't achieve his goals.

Yates explains that he would prepare mentally before each gym session, reviewing his previous workouts and visualizing his targets. His core motivation was a defiant 'fuck you' to anyone who doubted him, including teachers and critics. He consciously channeled anger and negative emotions, viewing them as a powerful internal fire. This intense mental state allowed him to push through grueling workouts, which he metaphorically described as 'slaying dragons' and 'hacking people up with my sword.' He found this approach highly effective for achieving mastery over himself and his instincts, particularly during the strict dieting required for competitions. He would then return home feeling calm and accomplished, having transmuted that negative energy into productive effort. This motivation was so strong that he chose to remain in Birmingham, avoiding the distractions of the US bodybuilding scene, to maintain that 'hunger' and underdog mentality.

Personal experience

I use a special type of motivation. It's called [ __ ] you motivation. Uh [ __ ] you to all the teachers at school that said you couldn't get anywhere. [ __ ] you. [ __ ] anyone. So I'm going to show you. [ __ ] you. So [ __ ] [laughter] your motivation. It's a great one. Yeah. Whatever you got inside you, anger, negative emotions, use it all. Use it all like fire.

Whatever you got inside you, anger, negative emotions, use it all. Use it all like fire.

Also said
“And then when I go home, I'm like, I'm chilled. I've slayed dragons in the gym. I've hacked people up with my sword. I've And it's like a form of mastery over oneself, mastery [snorts] over the whole thing with the dieting as well for competitions.”— Illustrates the intense mental imagery and sense of accomplishment derived from this motivation.
“I stayed in Birmingham as well while I was Mr. Olympia for 6 years. uh more opportunities here and everything, but more distractions as well. So, I wanted to stay in the same gym, try to keep that same attitude even though I got more money in the bank and I'm driving a Mercedes instead of jumping on the bus, right? But I wanted to keep that.”— Shows how this motivation influenced his career and lifestyle choices, prioritizing focus over external rewards.

Post-Career Identity Crisis and Re-evaluation

1:20:00

After retiring from competitive bodybuilding at 35, Yates experienced an identity crisis and depression, common among elite athletes, as he struggled to find purpose beyond his singular mission. He eventually reframed his perspective, embracing new experiences and finding fulfillment in helping others.

Why this matters: This provides a candid look at the often-unspoken mental health challenges faced by athletes after their careers, offering a relatable narrative for anyone transitioning from a highly focused pursuit.

Background

Yates dedicated his life to bodybuilding, operating in a 'tunnel vision' for years. His retirement at 35, coupled with personal tragedies, left him without the intense goal that had defined him.

Yates describes the profound difficulty of transitioning from a life consumed by a singular, intense goal to a post-retirement existence. He likened it to a 'Groundhog Day' feeling in his last competitive year, realizing his passion was becoming just a job. After retirement, he faced an identity crisis, asking 'Who am I now?' and 'What am I supposed to do with life?' This period was exacerbated by personal tragedies, including the unexpected death of his 15-year-old nephew and the breakdown of his marriage. He notes that this struggle is common for athletes and even those retiring from less demanding careers, as the loss of routine and purpose can lead to depression. He consciously worked to shift his mindset from focusing on what he had lost to appreciating the new freedoms and possibilities. This allowed him to pursue long-held interests, like wildlife and travel, which his previous lifestyle had restricted. He now views his identity not as 'Mr. Olympia' but as what he 'does' at a given time, emphasizing that roles are not who one 'is.' This journey of self-exploration led him to find new purpose in mentoring and inspiring others, realizing that his experiences could benefit a wider audience.

Personal experience

At the end there was no joy in it. Like the last year 97, I remember getting ready for the contest. I'm like, "Wow, this feels like Groundhog Day. I've done this so in process so many times." And uh, I started to think this is starting to feel like a job. I mean, it was, but it was a passion more. It was a bit of both, right? But now it's starting to feel like a job. And I start to think about what am I going to do after this?

It took me time to change the mindset from, oh, look what I've lost and I don't know who I am anymore cuz I was the king and now I'm not or whatever to like, yeah, but there was a lot of things I couldn't do then.

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“I was only 35, you know, and I've retired. It's like, you know, when a when a guy retires at 60, even if he's just been working in a bank or whatever, it's very often that they get depressed because they don't have they're going to work every day and they don't have this uh m, you know, it's not a mission, but they don't have this routine anymore.”— Connects his personal experience to a broader phenomenon of post-retirement depression.
“Now I'm uh you know doing fairly well financially. Uh I don't have to do anything that I don't want to do and I can go and I've always been in love with animals and wildlife. And I used to sponsor mountain gorillas in uh Rwanda and uh Uganda because there was like only 600 of them in the world. So I used to sponsor them. So, one of the first things I did was went on a safari out to Uganda, gorilla trekking in the mountains. And I couldn't do that before.”— Illustrates the new freedoms and experiences he embraced after shifting his mindset.

Cannabis and Lung Health

1:37:00

Yates challenges the common perception that smoking cannabis is detrimental to lung health, citing a 25-year UCLA study that found cannabis smokers had a slight increase in lung capacity and no increased risk of lung cancer compared to non-smokers.

Why this matters: This is a contrarian view, backed by a specific study, that directly opposes mainstream narratives about cannabis and lung damage.

Background

The host, Andrew Huberman, mentioned his previous concerns about cannabis and psychotic risk, and a prior guest (Peter Attia) had suggested smoking cannabis was similar to tobacco for lung health. Yates had an earlier correspondence with Huberman on this topic.

Yates explains that his understanding of cannabis's effects on lung health comes from a 25-year UCLA study by Dr. Donald Taskin. This study compared cigarette smokers, heavy daily cannabis smokers, and a control group. While cigarette smokers experienced lung function loss and increased cancer, the cannabis group, even with heavy daily use over 25 years, showed some negative effects like airway irritation and a reduced antioxidant layer, potentially increasing susceptibility to bronchitis. However, crucially, the study found a slight *increase* in lung capacity among cannabis smokers compared to non-smokers and no increased risk of lung cancer. Yates suggests that many, including medical professionals, may not be aware of this specific research. He also notes that his own 30 years of daily cannabis smoking have not negatively impacted his vigor, with a recent fitness evaluation showing his lung biology to be that of a 38-year-old.

Personal experience

I'll agree because I've been heavily smoking every day for 30 years, right? So, what was the effect on the lungs? Some negative. Yes. Because of the heat and the tar and everything like that, it could irritate the airways. it reduced somewhat the antioxidant layer on your airways. [snorts] So statistically you would be more susceptible to an infection maybe bronchitis or something like that. Although of all my friends I don't know anyone that got it but statistically you would be more likely to get it.

Lung function interesting 25 years of cannabis smoking compared to the non-smokers there was a slight increase in lung capacity in the cannabis smokers. I have to check out this study. Yeah. No cancers. Other groups got cancers, but this one don't after 25 years.

Also said
“I went for a fitness evaluation when I was in Brazil a couple of years ago. They said the test biology I should be 38 and my breathing and my heart rate recovery from exercise is excellent.”— Provides personal anecdotal evidence supporting his claim about cannabis and lung health.

The Nature of Reality and Consciousness (Psychedelic Insights)

1:28:00

Yates's psychedelic experiences, particularly with DMT and Ayahuasca, led him to a profound understanding that 'everything is one thing' and that human experience is consciousness playing hide-and-seek with itself in a physical reality.

Why this matters: This offers a deeply philosophical and spiritual perspective from a figure known for physical prowess, highlighting the transformative power of psychedelics on his worldview.

Background

Yates explored psychedelics after a period of personal crisis and re-evaluation following his bodybuilding career. He had read about DMT and was introduced to it by a friend, later attending Ayahuasca camps.

Yates describes his initial DMT experience as seeing 'behind reality,' observing numbers, geometry, and the interconnectedness of everything. This led to the realization that 'everything's one thing' and that human life is a temporary experience within a timeless, unified consciousness. He uses the analogy of an ocean and a drop: we are individual drops, but also the entire ocean. His Ayahuasca experiences, which he undertook in multiple sessions, reinforced these insights, teaching him that reality is largely mental and created by observation. He emphasizes that these experiences provided a 'totally new perspective on life,' akin to seeing over a wall into a world previously unknown. While he no longer actively seeks these experiences, he feels he learned what he needed to and that they 'upgraded' his mental 'computer,' leading to increased clarity and inspiration. He believes consciousness is fundamental and present in all living things, and that our purpose might be to explore this physical reality.

Personal experience

I smoked it and I saw the uh behind reality if you like the construction, the the numbers and the geometry and everything's connected. Uh and everything's one thing and we're having an experience and uh we can choose you know to experience good bad whatever in this uh in this reality and it's a temporary experience and everything is forever there's no time and all these things woof came in.

The biggest takeaway is everything everything is one thing we are one thing we're not a drop from the ocean we're the ocean and a drop as roomie that's a roomie saying right but I [clears throat] get it I was saying that before before I even read that I was telling what I said imagine an ocean yeah that's everything but there's a spray that's come out like a little drop and he thinks I'm just a little drop. Oh, poor me. I'm a little No, you're the ocean as well.

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“And we're all connected. And uh the whole experience we're having is mental like nothing exists without observation. So this is all created by us. Everything it's our imagination that doesn't really exist.”— Further elaborates on the mental and observational nature of reality as perceived through psychedelics.
“I mean, it gives you a totally different perspective on life. You said 97 was the last Olympia. You realize you're done. 98 through 2000. You're kind of going through a reframe.”— Connects the psychedelic experiences to his personal journey of re-evaluation after his bodybuilding career.

Recommendations

Products, supplements, and tools mentioned in the episode

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DY Nutrition (Blood and Guts Pre-Workout)

Product

A pre-workout supplement, part of Dorian Yates's own nutrition brand, soon to launch in the US.

Dorian Yates founded DY Nutrition after being unable to get involved in product development with Joe Weider's company. He built the brand over years, eventually establishing a pharmaceutical facility in Europe. While currently focused on the bodybuilding market in Europe and the Middle East, DY Nutrition is expanding into health and wellness, with Yates actively involved in product development. The 'Blood and Guts' pre-workout is the first product slated for US release. Yates hints at a special, undisclosed component for this product, suggesting it will offer more than a conventional pre-workout.

Personal experience

When I was bodybuilding, I was competing. Uh I was contracted to work with the weeder company, you know, be their guy in the magazines and hold the product and everything, but I was interested, you know, in in supplements. I was always reading nutrition supplements, anything to do with my craft. And I spoke to Joe Weider and I said, "Listen, can I work with the guys?" And uh you know, no, no, no, just be the guy. So I was interested in getting involved then because I thought the weirder supplements definitely could be better, right? Well, he didn't want me involved in that. So through various businesses over the years, I built DY Nutrition, which is my own brand.

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Personal experience

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Personal experience

Right now, AG1 is giving away six free sample packs of AGZ, which is AG1's new sleep formula, which by the way is fantastic. It's the only sleep supplement I take. It eliminates the need for all these pills, and my sleep has never been better.

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Huberman praises David bars for their unique nutritional profile: 28 grams of protein, only 150 calories, and zero sugar, making 75% of their calories come from protein – significantly higher than other bars. He finds them delicious, with cinnamon roll, chocolate chip cookie dough, and salted peanut butter being his favorites. He uses them most afternoons and while traveling for convenience, as they help him meet his protein goals (1g per pound of body weight) without excess calories. They are also described as very filling for their calorie count, making them a great snack between meals. The bars were previously sold out for months due to high demand but are now back in stock.

Personal experience

Right now, my favorite flavor is the new cinnamon roll flavor, but I also like the chocolate chip cookie dough flavor, and I also like the salted peanut butter flavor. Basically, I like all the flavors. They're all delicious. Also, big news. David bars are now back in stock. They were sold out for several months because they are that popular, but they are now back in stock. By eating a David bar, I'm able to get 28 grams of protein in the calories of a snack, which makes it very easy for me to meet my protein goals of 1 gram of protein per pound of body weight per day and to do so without eating excess calories. I generally eat a David Bar most afternoons and I always keep them with me when I'm away from home or traveling because they're incredibly convenient to get enough protein.

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Huberman highlights the significant impact of light on biology and positions JOOVV devices as a way to harness the benefits of red and near-infrared light. These devices are designed to improve cellular and organ health, with benefits including faster muscle recovery, improved skin health, wound healing, acne reduction, decreased pain and inflammation, enhanced mitochondrial function, and even improved vision. JOOVV stands out by using clinically proven wavelengths of red and near-infrared light in combination to achieve optimal cellular adaptations. Huberman personally uses the JOOVV whole-body panel 3-4 times a week and a handheld light at home and while traveling.

Personal experience

Personally, I use the JWV whole body panel about three to four times a week, and I use the JWV handheld light both at home and when I travel.

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Huberman emphasizes the importance of avoiding toxic compounds like PFAS ('forever chemicals') found in 80% of non-stick pans, which are linked to hormone disruption, gut issues, and fertility problems. He highly recommends Our Place products because they are made with high-quality, PFA/PFAS-free materials. He particularly praises the Titanium Always Pan Pro, noting it's the first non-stick pan made with zero chemicals and zero coating, using pure titanium instead. This design ensures it doesn't degrade or lose its non-stick properties over time. He uses it daily for cooking eggs, burgers, and steaks, appreciating its non-stick performance, ability to create a nice sear, ease of cleaning, and dishwasher-safe nature. Our Place offers a 100-day risk-free trial.

Personal experience

I cook eggs in my titanium Always Pan Pro almost every morning. The design allows for the eggs to cook perfectly without sticking to the pan. I also cook burgers and steaks in it, and it always puts a really nice sear on the meat, but again, nothing sticks to it, so it's really easy to clean, and it's even dishwasher safe. I love it, and I use it constantly.

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Personal experience

My days tend to start really fast, meaning I have to jump right into work or right into exercise. So, to make sure that I'm hydrated and I have sufficient electrolytes, when I first wake up in the morning, I drink 16 to 32 ounces of water with an element packet dissolved in it. I also drink Element dissolved in water during any kind of physical exercise that I'm doing, especially on hot days when I'm sweating a lot and losing water and electrolytes.

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Personal experience

In one of my first tests with function, I learned that I had elevated levels of mercury in my blood. function not only helped me detect that, but offered insights into how best to reduce my mercury levels, which included limiting my tuna consumption. I'd been eating a lot of tuna while also making an effort to eat more leafy greens and supplementing with knack and acetylcyine, both of which can support glutathione production and detoxification. And I should say by taking a second function test, that approach worked.

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Notable quotes

Lines worth pulling out — contrarian, specific, or perfectly phrased

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The body does not want to change. It wants to keep status quo. So you got to give it a bloody good reason as we would say in England to change, right?
A concise and memorable explanation of the principle of progressive overload in training.
A pump is just a temporary extra blood flow to the area that feels good. you're pumped up, you feel tight, but you could get a lightweight and get a great pump. It's not going to stimulate any growth. So, don't be fooled by the pump.
Challenges a common misconception in bodybuilding, emphasizing that the 'pump' is not indicative of muscle growth stimulation.
If I could travel back in time, I wouldn't have called the movie Pumping Iron. I would have called it Stress and Adapt. Stress stress recover adapt.
A powerful rephrasing of the core principle of muscle growth, highlighting the importance of stress, recovery, and adaptation over superficial aspects.
But if it doesn't work in practicality, what's it worth? You know, I hear this a lot now about this science-based training, but I actually don't know what science they're talking about.
Expresses a skeptical, real-world-first approach to scientific claims, particularly in fitness, prioritizing practical results over theoretical studies.
Whatever gains you make by taking anabolics is a temporary situation. You will lose it when you get off. All right? So, it's a merrygoround. Once you get on the merry-go round, you don't really want to get off because when you do get off, you start to lose all those gains. You start to feel mentally depressed because now your hormones are on the floor.
A stark warning about the temporary nature and psychological dependence associated with anabolic steroid use, particularly for non-competitive individuals.
I use a special type of motivation. It's called [ __ ] you motivation. Uh [ __ ] you to all the teachers at school that said you couldn't get anywhere. [ __ ] you. [ __ ] anyone. So I'm going to show you. [ __ ] you. So [ __ ] [laughter] your motivation. It's a great one. Yeah. Whatever you got inside you, anger, negative emotions, use it all. Use it all like fire.
A raw and unconventional description of his internal drive, highlighting the power of transmuting negative emotions into productive energy.
It's what you do. It's not who you are, right? It's what you're doing at the point of time.
A profound statement on identity, particularly relevant for athletes or individuals whose self-worth is tied to their achievements, emphasizing the distinction between one's role and one's true self.
We're God playing hide-and-seek with itself. We're consciousness having an experience being in a physical reality. And we're all the same thing.
A concise and poetic summary of his philosophical and spiritual insights gained from psychedelic experiences, reflecting a deep sense of interconnectedness and the nature of existence.

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