Age-adjusted cancer mortality in 2020 is virtually unchanged from 1930 — the 27% decline seen since 1990 tracks the decline in smoking, not therapeutic innovation, and the underlying treatment paradigm has not advanced meaningfully in 90 years.
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95% of experimental cancer drugs that reach the bedside fail completely; the 5% that succeed typically extend median survival by weeks to a few months in a minority of patients — often at costs of $45,000 per cycle for what is essentially a repackaged, off-patent combination.
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The mouse model and immortalized cell line pipeline is the root cause of the 95% failure rate: cell lines undergo transcriptomic drift away from their tissue of origin, and drug responses in immunocompromised mice tell you almost nothing about human tumor biology.
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Dr. Raza's call to action: shift 50% of cancer research funding toward early detection and biomarker development using liquid biopsies, multi-omic surveillance, and AI — the only proven strategy in oncology is finding the disease before it metastasizes.
Protocols
Concrete recipes — what, when, how much, and why
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MDS/AML standard induction: 7+3 (cytarabine + daunorubicin)
WhatSeven days of continuous infusion cytarabine (ara-C) combined with three days of anthracycline (daunorubicin or idarubicin). Standard first-line induction chemotherapy for acute myeloid leukemia and high-risk MDS.
WhenAt diagnosis of AML or high-risk MDS in patients who are fit enough to tolerate induction (adequate cardiac, renal, hepatic function).
DoseCytarabine 100–200 mg/m² continuous IV infusion × 7 days; daunorubicin 60–90 mg/m² IV days 1–3. Total induction cycle ~10 days, with 4–6 weeks for marrow recovery.
For whomNewly diagnosed AML or high-risk MDS patients age <75 with adequate organ function. Older/frailer patients increasingly receive hypomethylating agents (azacitidine/decitabine) as lower-intensity alternatives.
WhyTargets rapidly proliferating myeloid blast cells. Has been in use since the 1970s with no meaningful improvement in the cytotoxic backbone, though supportive care advances (modern antibiotics, platelet transfusion protocols) have improved 5-year survival from ~10% to ~26%.
CaveatsThe recently FDA-approved liposomal formulation (CPX-351/Vyxeos) costs ~$45,000 versus ~$5,000 for standard 7+3 and extends median survival by 3.7 months in a carefully selected 60–75-year-old subset. Raza views this cost differential as emblematic of systemic pharmaceutical exploitation of low clinical benefit thresholds.
Raza trained on this regimen in 1977 and uses it unchanged today. The improvement in outcomes since 1977 is entirely attributable to better infection management, blood product availability, and supportive care protocols — not to the drugs themselves. She uses 7+3 as her canonical example of 'the local rather than the express stream, a few more stops' — a phrase from a 1961 Peter De Vries novel that described leukemia treatment at the time and remains equally accurate today.
we were using two drugs to treat aml back then in 1977 a combination of arrow c and donomycin they were popularly known as seven and three because you give seven days of one and three days of another... guess what we are using in 2020 seven and three
Hypomethylating agents (azacitidine/decitabine) for lower-risk MDS and older AML patients
WhatAzacitidine (Vidaza) or decitabine — DNA methyltransferase inhibitors that reactivate silenced tumor suppressor genes. Given as outpatient subcutaneous injections in 28-day cycles.
WhenFirst-line treatment for lower-risk MDS, high-risk MDS in patients not fit for intensive induction, and older AML patients who cannot tolerate 7+3.
DoseAzacitidine: 75 mg/m² SC days 1–7 of each 28-day cycle, indefinitely until progression. Decitabine: 20 mg/m² IV days 1–5 of each 28-day cycle.
For whomMDS patients across risk categories, particularly elderly patients or those with comorbidities precluding intensive induction. Raza's MDS center at Columbia uses these as the standard-of-care backbone for most of her outpatient MDS population.
WhyLower toxicity profile than intensive chemotherapy. Extends survival modestly and can achieve transfusion independence in a subset of patients. Does not cure MDS but can slow progression.
CaveatsResponse rates are partial and median response durations are limited. Progressive disease after HMA failure has very poor outcomes. FLT3 inhibitors (midostaurin, gilteritinib) add benefit in the FLT3-mutated subset when combined with 7+3 — one of the few genuinely targeted advances in AML.
Raza mentions the FLT3 mutation as one example of a truly targeted therapy — patients with FLT3 mutations may respond better to FLT3 inhibitors, especially when treated early rather than at stage four. This is consistent with her central thesis: targeted therapies may work much better against earlier disease when fewer co-mutations are present.
stage three mutations quarterly may respond much better to flip three inhibitors — this is the point i will keep making over and over
Gleevec (imatinib) for chronic myeloid leukemia — the targeted therapy proof-of-concept
WhatImatinib (Gleevec) — BCR-ABL tyrosine kinase inhibitor. FDA-approved 2000. Oral daily tablet that blocks the single oncogenic driver of CML.
WhenChronic phase CML at diagnosis. Does not work effectively once disease accelerates or transforms to blast crisis.
Dose400 mg orally daily, indefinitely (or until deep molecular remission allows treatment-free remission attempts in select patients).
For whomChronic phase CML. Raza emphasizes that CML in chronic phase is 'not really a cancer yet in all its malignant manifestations' — it is more analogous to a pre-cancer, and this is precisely why a single targeted agent works.
WhyCML is caused by a single genetic lesion (the Philadelphia chromosome translocation creating BCR-ABL fusion). Imatinib provides a precise match: one target, one drug. This is the paradigm that has not been replicable in cancers with multiple co-drivers.
CaveatsThe same drug does not work when the disease accelerates — illustrating Raza's core point that even the most celebrated targeted therapy only works in the early, molecularly simple stage. CML affects a tiny fraction of overall cancer patients; its cure via Gleevec accounts for less than 1% of total cancer mortality reduction.
Raza credits Gleevec as a 'fantastic success' but deliberately contextualizes its population impact: CML is rare (~5,000 new cases/year in the US), it is essentially a pre-malignancy in chronic phase, and the same drug fails once the disease evolves additional mutations. The celebration of Gleevec as proof that targeted therapy can conquer all cancers is, in her view, a category error — it works because chronic CML has one target; common solid tumors have dozens of co-drivers and enormous intratumoral heterogeneity.
Mechanism
BCR-ABL is a constitutively active tyrosine kinase that drives uncontrolled myeloid proliferation. Imatinib occupies the ATP-binding pocket of BCR-ABL, blocking phosphorylation and halting proliferation. The single-mutation dependency is the exception, not the rule, in human oncology.
chronic myeloid leukemia is caused by one genetic change that can be targeted with one magic bullet and that magic bullet is gleevac and that was fda approved in 2000 and now these people are being cured with one drug... but peter the same drug doesn't work when the disease starts to accelerate
WhatAll-trans retinoic acid (a vitamin A analog) combined with arsenic trioxide. Differentiates and kills APL blasts by reversing the RAR-alpha fusion protein that blocks myeloid maturation. Achieves >90% cure rate.
WhenAt diagnosis of APL (AML M3 subtype). Works during the differentiation-competent window; must be started urgently given APL's coagulopathy risk.
DoseATRA 45 mg/m² daily + arsenic trioxide 0.15 mg/kg IV daily for induction (~4–6 weeks), followed by consolidation cycles. Maintenance in some protocols.
For whomAPL specifically. Does not work in other AML subtypes.
WhyAPL harbors a specific translocation (PML-RARα) that blocks retinoic acid receptor signaling and freezes maturation at the promyelocyte stage. ATRA restores differentiation; arsenic triggers APL-specific apoptosis.
CaveatsDifferentiation syndrome (formerly 'ATRA syndrome') is a life-threatening complication requiring prompt corticosteroid treatment. APL represents ~10% of all AML cases.
Raza credits this as one of oncology's genuine successes but pointedly notes that Western scientists did not derive it through rational drug design — Chinese clinicians were curing APL with 'vitamins and arsenic' for years before the West investigated. The molecular mechanism (RAR-alpha lesion) was worked out in retrospect after the clinical cure was already established. She uses this to challenge the narrative of bench-to-bedside translational medicine: 'scientists do not take credit in front of me for acute promyelocytic leukemia — you did not work it out, you only worked it out in retrospect.'
Mechanism
ATRA binds and activates the PML-RARα fusion, restoring transcription of differentiation genes. Arsenic trioxide promotes PML-RARα protein degradation and triggers APL-selective apoptosis via mitochondrial pathways.
acute pro-myelocytic leukemia which is cured with arsenic or with vitamin a analog vitamin a let's say atra... it cures acute promyelocetic leukemia one of the deadliest acute leukemia
Early detection biomarker surveillance framework — multi-omic liquid biopsy approach
WhatRaza's proposed paradigm: deploy genomics, transcriptomics, proteomics, metabolomics, and advanced imaging continuously on the human body — not once yearly — using microfluidic chip technology capable of running cancer-specific biomarker panels on a single drop of blood, coupled with AI to integrate signals and flag the earliest molecular footprints of pre-malignant states.
WhenStarting in mid-life (or earlier for high-hereditary-risk individuals), with continuous background monitoring rather than point-in-time screening.
DoseContinuous or near-continuous (daily to weekly) monitoring using wearable-adjacent chip technology; episodic multi-cancer blood panel testing (e.g., Toshiba's 13-cancer panel at $180 in 4 hours; Grail's Galleri multi-cancer early detection test).
For whomEveryone, but especially adults over 45 and anyone with hereditary cancer predisposition syndromes. The approach is designed to be scalable and eventually affordable at population scale.
WhyThe only proven survival-improving intervention across all of oncology is early detection. Every cancer that can be caught at the one-million-cell stage rather than the one-billion-cell stage — before vascular invasion and metastasis — is amenable to curative surgery or targeted low-burden therapy.
CaveatsOver-diagnosis (finding indolent cancers that would never cause harm) is a real risk — the PSA and mammography experiences are cautionary. Raza distinguishes 'early detection done badly' (isolated PSA, isolated mammogram) from multi-modal biomarker surveillance that tracks velocity and combines multiple signals. PSA velocity (rate of change over time) and PSA density (normalized to prostate volume) are far more informative than absolute PSA; the principle generalizes to all biomarker panels.
She references Toshiba's announcement of a 13-cancer detection chip using microfluidics on a single drop of blood in 4 hours for $180. Grail (acquired by Illumina) is in phase-2 validation of a cell-free DNA methylation-based multi-cancer early detection test. The M-chip she holds up is FDA-approved for PSA monitoring — she proposes building a 'barcode' of 50+ cancer-specific biomarkers for which each cancer gets its own lane, giving daily or weekly tracking of a panel that would detect each major cancer type at the earliest possible molecular signal. She also calls for research using every biological compartment: blood, sweat, tears, saliva, urine, microbiome — all are underexplored.
Mechanism
Cell-free DNA (cfDNA), circulating tumor DNA (ctDNA), tumor-educated platelets, exosomal microRNA, and methylation signatures all shed into blood from pre-malignant and malignant cells. Microfluidic platforms can concentrate and interrogate these signals at sensitivity levels that detect cancer at sub-clinical burden (millions, not billions of cells). AI integration is necessary to distinguish true signal from noise across 50+ biomarkers continuously.
all i'm saying is that we should definitely take advantage of the cutting edge genomics transcriptomics proteomics metabolomics the scanning and imaging devices that have been developed and use artificial intelligence to put all this together develop 50 tests if we have to to identify biomarkers which are based on all these things and combine them with the latest technology to try and start monitoring the human body not once a year but continuously like a machine
Also said
“toshiba a company just announced that they can detect 13 different cancers from one drop of blood in four hours for 180 dollars there's a company in the bay area that i follow very closely called grail and they're doing something very similar at this point they're you know in phase 2 with probably almost 30 different cancers”— Demonstrates that the technology Raza is calling for is not speculative — it exists and is entering clinical validation.
Serial human tissue banking with personally-performed bone marrow biopsies
WhatLongitudinal collection of serial samples — bone marrow biopsies, aspirates, peripheral blood, germline controls (T cells and buccal smears), and immunophenotypically sorted subpopulations (CD34+ stem cells, neutrophils, mononuclear cells) — from every MDS/AML patient at diagnosis and throughout the disease course, all performed by the same physician to eliminate technique variability.
WhenFrom the moment of MDS diagnosis and at every clinical inflection point: pre-treatment, mid-treatment, remission, relapse, transformation to AML.
DoseSeven distinct cell fractions per time point; some patients followed for over 15 years with quarterly to semi-annual samples. 60,000+ specimens accumulated since 1984.
For whomResearch model applicable to any liquid tumor (leukemia, MDS, myeloma) where serial bone marrow and blood sampling is feasible. Not directly applicable to solid tumors, though the principle of serial liquid biopsy surveillance applies broadly.
WhyThe only way to identify the 'first cell' — the earliest pre-malignant precursor — is to trace the molecular history backward from transformation to the baseline sample, identifying what was already abnormal before the disease declared itself. This requires serial human samples, not cell lines or mouse models.
Raza's bank is now intersecting with three converging technologies: whole-genome and whole-exome sequencing (to find every somatic mutation in every sample), single-cell RNA sequencing (to characterize the heterogeneity of each sample at cellular resolution), and high-dimensional proteomics/metabolomics. Together, these can trace the clonal evolution of a single patient's disease from MDS through AML transformation over 10+ years. The scientific question she is hunting: some MDS patients transform to AML in months; others live 15 years without transformation. What separates them? The answer is in the serial samples.
Mechanism
Clonal hematopoiesis evolves via sequential acquisition of somatic driver mutations (SF3B1, TET2, DNMT3A, ASXL1, TP53, etc.) in hematopoietic stem cells. Sequential sampling allows tracking of variant allele frequency trajectories — emerging clones expand before clinical transformation, potentially giving a detection window of months to years before acute disease.
this tissue repository has over 60 000 samples from thousands of patients who have been serially followed for years some of them and not a single cell comes from a second oncologist to this day i do all the bone marrows with my own hands... trace back to the cell of origin be first cell find the biomarkers that are associated with a pre-leukemia that spiraled out of control into acute leukemia within months compared to one that took 15 years
Patient-facing truth-telling protocol for terminal cancer diagnosis
WhatWhen a patient has a diagnosis that carries near-certain terminal trajectory (e.g., osteogenic sarcoma with vascular invasion on pathology, or GBM at presentation), Raza's approach is to present the honest prognosis while simultaneously framing treatment choices in terms of quality of life and personal meaning rather than statistical survival benefit.
WhenAt any point where pathological or staging findings indicate that curative intent is not achievable, or that available treatments carry devastating side effects with marginal survival benefit.
For whomOncologists treating patients with advanced, metastatic, or high-risk newly diagnosed cancers. Also relevant for patients and families navigating treatment decisions.
WhyOffering 'we can extend survival by 3.7 months' to a 22-year-old patient as a clinical triumph is a failure of honest communication. Patients deserve to know the real trajectory so they can make decisions — about treatment intensity, about relationships, about time — with accurate information.
CaveatsRaza is not arguing against treatment — she argues against treatment presented with deceptive framing. Umar (osteogenic sarcoma) was treated; Harvey was treated. The argument is for honesty, not nihilism.
Raza describes Umar — her best friend's son, 38 years old, Oxford and Columbia graduate, newly engaged, who presented with osteogenic sarcoma with microscopic vascular invasion. From the moment that pathology came back, she knew: 'his chances of survival beyond a couple of years at most are 0.00.' The choice was: die of cancer (painful) or attempt treatment knowing the treatment itself may kill him first. She uses this to make two points: (1) for patients who are at this stage, the framing of '3.7 months median improvement in survival' as a triumph is a moral obscenity, and (2) the only real path out is to find Umar's cancer before it reaches that stage. She cites Emily Dickinson: 'tell all the truth but tell it slant / success in circuit lies.'
here is a 38 year old young man a graduate of oxford and colombia... and knowing that he's going to die and i had to live through every single day not just in the hospital but also at home... either you die of cancer or you die of the treatment we are going to give you
Lifestyle and prevention as cancer risk reduction — the imperfect but real lever
WhatAvoid tobacco (strongest single modifiable cancer risk factor). Address obesity. Exercise regularly — Raza personally runs every morning plus 20–30 minutes on a mini-rebounder/trampoline daily for lymphatic stimulation, a practice she has maintained for 25+ years. Minimize chronic inflammation through diet and stress management.
WhenLifelong, starting as young as possible.
DoseRaza: daily running + 20–30 minutes on mini-rebounder. Duration: 25+ years of consistent practice.
For whomEveryone, as primary prevention. Particularly important for individuals with hereditary cancer predisposition who cannot modify their genetic risk but can address lifestyle co-factors.
WhyRaza's reading of the literature: lifestyle changes could plausibly reduce cancer risk by 30–50%. While most cancers have no identifiable environmental trigger, the fraction that do (smoking, obesity-driven inflammation, some infectious pathogens) are meaningfully addressable through lifestyle. Exercise also stimulates lymphatic flow, which has immune surveillance implications.
CaveatsFor most cancers, random somatic mutations accumulating with age are the dominant driver and lifestyle modification cannot eliminate the underlying risk. Raza is candid about this: 'a lot of people smoke not all of them get cancer — so there are other cofactors.' She is arguing for lifestyle as an adjunctive risk modifier, not a cure.
Attia corroborates: his reading of the literature is that lifestyle modifications (exercise, diet, weight management, no tobacco) could reduce cancer risk by 30–50%, making it a high-leverage intervention — especially when combined with the early detection framework. Raza's personal practice of daily rebounding is based on her understanding that lymphatic circulation, unlike cardiovascular circulation, has no dedicated pump and depends entirely on physical movement. This detail is offered as personal practice, not as a clinical recommendation with evidence-grade backing.
Personal experience
Raza: 'every morning i run every morning and after i run i jump on a small trampoline for 20 to 30 minutes every day because that's one way to stimulate your lymphatic system... i should say not a trampoline it's one of the best exercises you can have been doing it for 25 plus years'
every morning i run every morning and after i run i jump on a small trampoline for 20 to 30 minutes every day because that's one way to stimulate your lymphatic system
What's new
Personal practice updates, fresh positions, predictions
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Age-adjusted cancer mortality unchanged from 1930 — the 90-year flat line
~20 min
The 27–30% decline in cancer mortality seen over the last three decades precisely tracks the decline in smoking. Strip out the smoking effect and age-adjusted cancer mortality today is essentially the same as it was in 1930, despite a quarter trillion dollars in research investment.
Why this matters: The field celebrates each incremental drug approval as a breakthrough, but the macro statistic — population-level mortality — tells a different story. This framing cuts through selective reporting of partial response rates and progression-free survival endpoints that avoid the harder measure of overall survival.
Background
Nixon declared the 'War on Cancer' in 1971. Since then roughly $6 billion/year in NCI funding plus comparable philanthropic spending has poured into cancer research, with pharma layering additional billions on top.
Raza's analysis: the incidence spike from the 1940s–1970s was driven by tobacco. The 'decline' reverses that spike. The moment you control for smoking, the underlying survival benefit from 50 years of drug development is essentially flat for the solid-tumor metastatic diseases — lung, pancreas, colorectal, ovarian — that account for the majority of cancer deaths. She specifically distinguishes this from real progress in hematologic malignancies (Hodgkin's, CML via Gleevec, APL via ATRA), which she credits as genuine victories but notes together account for less than 10% of total cancer deaths.
if you want to measure the success of treatment in cancer then the thing you need to look at peter is what is the age adjusted mortality of cancer today in 2020 you know what it is it is the same as it was in 1930
Also said
“the 30 percent or 27 decline in mortality we are seeing in the last 30 years is following a 30 years increase in mortality from in cancer... with all the smoking... this led to such an increase in the incidence of cancer so that the decline in mortality basically parallels the decline in smoking that is all that has happened otherwise we are really at square one”— Unpacks the mechanism: the apparent progress is entirely attributable to reduced tobacco exposure, not to therapeutic advances.
7+3 chemotherapy for AML: same regimen in 2020 as 1977
~55 min
Azra Raza has treated AML patients since 1977 with cytarabine (ara-C) + daunorubicin ('7 and 3'). The five-year survival has moved from ~10% to ~26% over that period — entirely due to better supportive care (antibiotics, transfusions) rather than any improvement in the cytotoxic backbone. The regimen itself is identical.
Why this matters: The same drugs, at the same doses, given in the same sequence as in 1977 — this is the most concrete single illustration in the episode of the failure of 50 years of drug development in the most common leukemia.
Background
Raza trained at Roswell Park Cancer Institute in 1977 under Harvey Preisler, who ran the leukemia program. She has personally administered 7+3 to hundreds of patients, including her own husband Harvey who died of lymphoma in 2002.
The recently FDA-approved liposomal encapsulation of 7+3 (CPX-351/Vyxeos) is Raza's primary illustration of the economics problem: it is the identical drug combination inside a fatty capsule, approved on a median overall survival improvement of 3.7 months in cherry-picked trial patients, at a cost of $45,000 per cycle versus $5,000 for the standard formulation. The eligibility criteria for the clinical trial require normal kidney, liver, and lung function — selecting the best-prognosis subset — and even in that group only ~30% experienced the 3.7-month benefit (which is a median, meaning half did not even reach it). Physicians who do not prescribe the approved version risk malpractice liability.
we were using two drugs to treat aml back then in 1977 a combination of arrow c and donomycin they were popularly known as seven and three... guess what we are using in 2020 seven and three
Also said
“survival was ten percent five year survival with seven and three today with the same drug it's about 26 percent why has it increased because the supportive care measures are better we have better antibiotics... that's it the backbone of treatment is the same seven and three”— Separates the apparent survival gain from any drug efficacy — all gains are from supportive care infrastructure.
CAR-T cells cannot distinguish normal from cancer — the limitation rarely disclosed in talks
~65 min
CAR-T cells are currently clinically viable only for B-cell malignancies because you can kill every last B cell in the body and replace B-cell function. For solid tumors, any antigen you put on the CAR-T will direct it against every cell in every organ that expresses that antigen, making organ destruction inescapable.
Why this matters: The scientific elegance of CAR-T engineering is genuine, but the clinical limitation — indiscriminate killing of the targeted organ — is consistently omitted from public presentations by CAR-T researchers. Raza calls this a form of deception by omission.
Background
Steve Rosenberg at NCI pioneered adoptive T-cell therapy in the 1980s. CAR-T (chimeric antigen receptor T cells) represent the most sophisticated iteration of that lineage.
Raza says she listens to CAR-T YouTube lectures every morning while rebounding on her mini-trampoline and has never heard a single serious researcher in a public forum acknowledge the organ-destruction problem. The exception is B-cell cancers: CD19-targeted CAR-T kills all CD19-expressing B cells, but B-cell aplasia is manageable with IVIG. Attempt the same approach on pancreatic cancer (e.g., mesothelin-targeted CAR-T) and you destroy the whole pancreas, a non-replaceable organ. The case-study reports of dramatic single-patient responses in cholangiocarcinoma, pancreatic, and colon cancer represent individually engineered neoantigens — important as proof-of-concept but not scalable to population-level oncology with the current technology.
car t cells cannot distinguish between normal and cancer cells they just ignore that... basically car t cells are just in the form of killing machine indiscriminately... the only thing car t is working for right now is b cells because you can replace b cell function after you kill every single last b cell in the body but you can't do that to pancreatic cancer because it will kill the whole pancreas
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“in all of those talks i have never heard any serious scientist oncologist or immunologist say that their car t cells cannot distinguish between normal and cancer cells they just ignore that”— Makes the charge explicit: not a scientific failure but a communication failure — systematic omission in public forums.
Cell line transcriptomic drift — why 90% of cancer papers can't be reproduced
~80 min
Immortalized cancer cell lines undergo transcriptomic drift: instead of expressing genes faithful to their tissue of origin (ovarian, pancreatic, etc.), they converge toward expressing survival genes that allow them to persist under adverse in-vitro conditions. Drugs tested against these lines are therefore optimized against a completely artificial genetic profile, not a real human tumor.
Why this matters: This mechanism explains the 95% failure rate of agents that succeed in cell lines and mouse models but fail in humans — and why up to 90% of high-profile oncology papers are irreproducible. The problem is structural, not incidental.
Background
HeLa cells (1951) were the first immortalized line and became the template. The transcriptomic drift finding came from profiling large panels of cell lines against their tissue-of-origin gene expression signatures.
Raza describes a PhD student who wrote to her after reading 'The First Cell': she was testing breast cancer drugs against 2D and 3D in-vitro cell systems, then planning to move to the mouse model, then to human trials. Raza's response: your cell lines are no longer genetically representative of breast cancer; your mouse model uses immunocompromised animals that don't spontaneously develop the tumor; you are testing drug efficacy in a system that is twice removed from the disease you want to treat. The student asked 'should I spend the next 10 years of my life doing this?' — which captures the human cost of the flawed paradigm.
it turns out that instead of expressing genes that were faithful to the tissue of origin from which they came... there has been a transcriptomic drift that basically all the cell lines irrespective of their tissue of origin express similar genes that make them survivable under adverse in vitro conditions
Also said
“90 percent of the papers published in the highest profile journals of science are irreproducible... if different studies some show 30 some 80 some 90 it is unconscionable what we are doing”— Connects the cell-line validity problem to the reproducibility crisis: if the model is wrong, reproducibility becomes a meaningless standard.
Phase-zero trials as alternative to animal efficacy testing
~95 min
The FDA has a phase-zero trial framework in which candidates go directly to humans at 1/500th of the anticipated therapeutic dose, escalating upward. This bypasses animal efficacy testing entirely while still generating human pharmacokinetic and pharmacodynamic data before committing to full dose escalation.
Why this matters: Raza argues animal models should not be used for drug efficacy testing at all — not even for safety. The phase-zero framework is an FDA-approved path that already exists and could be expanded, eliminating a step in the pipeline that has a near-total failure rate.
Background
Traditional IND-enabling studies require two-mammal toxicology (typically rodent and dog/primate) before any human exposure. The phase-zero framework was established to allow first-in-human microdosing studies.
Raza's argument is that the predictive value of animal safety studies for human toxicity is very low — 'what you learn in animals by using drugs is only correct for animals.' She would not use animals for safety either, though she distinguishes this from basic biology research where animal models remain valuable. The practical implication is a dramatic compression of the IND-to-first-human timeline and a shift of resources away from the pre-clinical phase that has consumed huge fractions of the $2.5 billion average drug development cost.
the fda has a system which is called phase zero in which you don't just bypass any animals you use one five hundredth of the dose starting those in humans and work your way up
Raza's 60,000-sample tissue repository: 40 years of serial human cancer specimens
~115 min
Since 1984, Raza has personally performed every bone marrow biopsy on her MDS/AML patients and banked serial samples — blood, bone marrow aspirates and biopsies, germline controls (T cells and buccal smears), CD34-separated cells, neutrophil-separated mononuclear cells — 60,000 specimens from thousands of serially followed patients. No second oncologist has collected a single cell.
Why this matters: This is a longitudinal human dataset tracking disease from pre-leukemia through acute transformation in real patients — the antithesis of the cell-line/mouse model approach she criticizes. The repository now has the analytical technology (whole-genome sequencing, single-cell omics) to finally interrogate it properly.
Background
Raza began the bank after seeing her first MDS patient and recognizing that liquid tumors, unlike solid tumors, could be serially sampled before, during, and after treatment — enabling a natural-history study impossible with biopsied solid masses.
The scientific question the repository is designed to answer: what separates a pre-leukemia (MDS) that transforms to AML within months from one that takes 15 years? If you can find the earliest molecular signatures of the about-to-transform cell — the 'first cell' — you can identify the disease at the one-million-cell stage rather than the one-billion-cell stage. The repository spans the entire arc from MDS diagnosis through remission, relapse, and transformation, with matched germline controls on every patient. Raza calls it 'a national treasure' that has been impossible to fully analyze until recently because the technology did not exist to interrogate it at scale.
since 1984 as a result of my experience with the patient i started saving samples on them so blood and bone marrow biopsies and aspirates... and today this tissue repository has over 60 000 samples from thousands of patients who have been serially followed for years some of them and not a single cell comes from a second oncologist to this day i do all the bone marrows with my own hands
Recommendations
Products, supplements, and tools mentioned in the episode
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The Price We Pay by Marty Makary
Book
Cited as the best documentation of healthcare pricing obscenity in the United States — including the cancer drug pricing system Raza describes, where 42% of newly diagnosed cancer patients are financially ruined by year two. Makary's work on hospital consolidation and executive compensation at non-profit hospitals directly parallels Raza's systemic critique.
Raza: 'your friend marty mccary has written a fabulous book the price we pay people should read that book and see the obscenity we have reached.' Attia has discussed it in other contexts; both agree it provides the economic scaffolding for understanding why cancer treatment costs have become extractive while outcomes remain poor.
your friend marty mccary has written a fabulous book the price we pay people should read that book and see the obscenity we have reached vulgarity of it all completely not thinking about patients at all
Mini-rebounder (small trampoline) for daily lymphatic stimulation
Tool
Raza has used a mini-rebounder for 20–30 minutes daily after her morning run for 25+ years, based on the premise that bouncing provides mechanical stimulation of the lymphatic system (which has no dedicated pump). She describes it as 'one of the best exercises you can have.'
The lymphatic system relies entirely on skeletal muscle contractions, breathing, and gravity/movement for circulation — unlike the cardiovascular system which has the heart. Rebounding creates repeated gravitational loading and unloading that mechanically drives lymph fluid through vessels and nodes. Raza uses this as an immune-surveillance maintenance practice; she also happens to listen to YouTube lectures while doing it, which is how she stays current with the cancer research talks she critiques.
vs alternatives
Walking also stimulates lymphatic flow but provides lower-frequency mechanical loading per minute than rebounding. Yoga inversions and diaphragmatic breathing also assist lymphatic return. Raza's combination of running + rebounding addresses both cardiovascular fitness and lymphatic circulation.
every morning i run every morning and after i run i jump on a small trampoline for 20 to 30 minutes every day because that's one way to stimulate your lymphatic system and the trampoline is small rebounder i should say not a trampoline it's one of the best exercises you can have been doing it for 25 plus years
Grail (Galleri multi-cancer early detection blood test)
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Grail's Galleri test uses cfDNA methylation signatures to detect and tissue-of-origin localize ~50+ cancer types from a single blood draw. In phase-2 clinical validation at time of recording. Raza cites it as the most advanced embodiment of her early-detection thesis.
Attia endorses the principle: 'I am actually very optimistic with the potential of liquid biopsies.' Both note that the technology is not yet ready for population-wide screening deployment — false-positive rates and tissue-of-origin assignment accuracy at early-stage cancers remain areas of active development. The clinical utility will depend on whether the test can detect cancers early enough that detection changes management (i.e., at a stage still amenable to curative intervention), not simply earlier than current methods detect already-advanced disease.
there's a company in the bay area that i follow very closely called grail and they're doing something very similar at this point they're you know in phase 2 with probably almost 30 different cancers i agree with you completely
The First Cell: And the Human Costs of Pursuing Cancer to the Last by Azra Raza
Book Sponsored · disclosed
Raza's central argument in book form: the cancer research enterprise has spent a quarter-trillion dollars over 50 years chasing late-stage cures while neglecting early detection, leaving patients with the same treatments her first attending used in 1977. The book weaves together patient stories (Harvey, Omar, Andrew, JC, Kitty) with a scientific and structural critique of the research paradigm.
DisclosureGuest is the author — the book is the primary subject and motivation for this entire episode.
Attia describes being 'blown away at the literary sprinklings' — Raza interlaces the scientific argument with Emily Dickinson, Oscar Wilde, John Donne, Peter De Vries, and Nietzsche. The patient narratives are not illustrative anecdotes but the emotional core of the argument: every statistic about median survival extensions is really a story about real people whose quality of life and remaining time was consumed by treatments that extended neither meaningfully.
you know i would ask her a question and she would respond by quoting emily dickinson and not just quote it like i've memorized this but quote it in the most lyrical way
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if you want to measure the success of treatment in cancer then the thing you need to look at peter is what is the age adjusted mortality of cancer today in 2020 you know what it is it is the same as it was in 1930
The most bracing single statistic in the episode — demolishes the 'we've made enormous progress' narrative with a single population-level number that bypasses all the partial-response, progression-free survival, and drug-approval statistics used to tell the optimistic story.
guess what we are using in 2020 seven and three all these years imagine the thousands of patients i personally have had to see and describe the same side effects and the same potential benefits they will have
The most humanizing moment in Raza's critique — she is not making an abstract argument, she is describing thousands of individual human conversations she has had to repeat with patients over 43 years using the same regimen.
95 drugs we bring to the bedside fail completely the five percent that succeed should have failed because they are only prolonging survival for 20 to 30 percent of patients by a few months
Turns the 5% success rate from a source of pride into an indictment: the small fraction that 'work' do so in a minority of patients, marginally, and at extraordinary cost.
it's like trying to use a map to find your way in london but you're using a map of paris it's not going to work
Raza's diagnosis of why well-intentioned, hard-working oncologists keep failing: not lack of effort or intelligence, but fundamental misdirection in the research framework. The map analogy captures the systematic nature of the problem.
42 of cancer patients were diagnosed today will be completely financially ruined by the second year of their diagnosis 50 percent of breast cancer women are being hounded by collection agencies with stage four cancer
The economic dimension of oncology's failure: patients are being financially destroyed by treatments that extend median survival by months, often while the disease is still progressing.
i believe exactly what thomas kuhn said if you want to change the paradigm you have to show a better one that's it
Raza's actionable resolution to the entire critique — her call is not to tear down the existing research enterprise but to fund the early-detection paradigm sufficiently to demonstrate its superiority, at which point economic incentives will follow the results.
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