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Dr. Glen Jeffery: Using Red Light to Improve Your Health & the Harmful Effects of LEDs
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Dr. Glen Jeffery: Using Red Light to Improve Your Health & the Harmful Effects of LEDs

Andrew Huberman
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TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

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TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

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LED lighting, especially the short-wavelength blue light (420-440 nm) it emits, is a significant public health concern, potentially as serious as asbestos, due to its detrimental effects on mitochondrial function and overall health.

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Long-wavelength light (red, near-infrared, infrared) can penetrate deeply into the body, including through the skull and clothing, and improves mitochondrial function by affecting the viscosity of water surrounding them, leading to increased ATP production and protein synthesis.

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Exposure to long-wavelength light, even for short durations (e.g., 3 minutes daily or every 5 days), can improve visual function, reduce blood glucose spikes, and slow cell death, particularly in aging tissues.

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To mitigate the negative effects of LED lighting, consider using incandescent or halogen bulbs, especially in the morning, and maximize natural sunlight exposure, as these provide a balanced spectrum of light that supports mitochondrial health.

Protocols

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Red Light Exposure for Improved Vision

WhatExposing the eyes to long-wavelength red light (around 670 nm) to improve color vision and overall visual function.
WhenIn the morning, ideally between perceived sunrise and 11:00 AM, as this is when mitochondria are most responsive.
Dose3 minutes of exposure, once every 5 days. The light source can be dim to moderately bright, as long as it's comfortable.
For whomIndividuals of all ages, but particularly those over 40 or experiencing age-related vision decline, as they have more room for improvement in mitochondrial function.
WhyThe retina has the highest metabolic rate in the body and ages rapidly. Long-wavelength light improves mitochondrial function, which is crucial for retinal health and can slow the pace of cell death in photoreceptors.
CaveatsThe effect lasts for about 5 days, requiring regular re-exposure. While the specific wavelength of 670 nm was used in studies, a range around this (e.g., 650-800 nm) may also be effective. The light source should be comfortable and not cause discomfort. It doesn't matter if eyelids are open or closed.

Dr. Jeffrey's lab conducted experiments where subjects were exposed to 670 nm red light for 3 minutes. This intervention led to a significant improvement in color vision thresholds, with an average effect size of around 20% across the population. The effects were observed within an hour and lasted for approximately 5 days. This suggests a 'switch-like' mechanism rather than a dose-response curve, where a sufficient amount of energy at the right wavelength triggers a physiological change. The timing of exposure is critical, with morning applications yielding the best results, aligning with the circadian rhythm of mitochondrial activity. The intervention is particularly effective for older individuals whose mitochondria are in a poorer state, offering more potential for improvement.

Mechanism

The long-wavelength light is absorbed by water surrounding mitochondria in the retina, increasing the spin rate of ATP-producing motors and leading to the synthesis of more energy-producing proteins. This enhanced mitochondrial function improves the metabolic capacity of retinal cells, which are highly energy-dependent, thereby improving visual acuity and slowing age-related degeneration.

So in our first experiments we used 670 nanometers right which is a deepish red light... and we did that for 3 minutes and originally we did that every day for an hour... It's 5 days. It lasts 5 days.

Mitigating LED Harm with Incandescent/Halogen Lighting

WhatReplace or supplement LED lighting with incandescent or halogen bulbs, especially in areas where significant time is spent, and particularly in the morning.
WhenDaily, especially in the morning hours (before 11 AM) and potentially in the evening. Dimming incandescent/halogen bulbs in the evening can maintain beneficial long-wavelength light without disrupting circadian rhythms.
For whomAnyone spending significant time indoors under LED lighting, especially those in environments with infrared-blocking windows, and children.
WhyIncandescent and halogen bulbs emit a broad, smooth spectrum of light, similar to natural sunlight, including beneficial long-wavelength (red/infrared) light. This balances the short-wavelength-rich spectrum of LEDs, which can negatively impact mitochondrial function.
CaveatsIncandescent bulbs are being phased out in some regions due to energy inefficiency, but halogen bulbs offer a similar spectrum. Dimming incandescent bulbs increases their lifespan and the proportion of infrared light emitted. Ensure electrical safety, especially with older fixtures.

The transition to LED lighting has created an indoor environment heavily skewed towards short-wavelength light, lacking the balancing long-wavelength light found in natural sunlight and incandescent sources. This imbalance is detrimental to mitochondrial health. Incandescent and halogen bulbs, by contrast, provide a full, smooth spectrum of light, including the crucial red and infrared wavelengths. Dr. Jeffrey's research showed that supplementing harsh LED environments with incandescent desk lamps significantly improved color perception, and this improvement was maintained for an extended period after the intervention. This suggests that even partial exposure to balanced light can have lasting positive effects on physiology, counteracting the suppressive effects of LED-dominant environments.

Personal experience

I have got a H hallogen lamp. So when I get up in the morning and you know you you're spending that 45 minutes that really should be 10 minutes but you know you're fuffing around doing stuff there's a H hallogen lamp there on at the right time. It's not desperately bright but it's there at a critical time during the day.

To a first approximation, the spectrum of light that you get from an incandescent light bulb is highly similar to solar light, right? So, it's it's it covers almost the same range. It's a smooth function.

Maximize Natural Sunlight Exposure

WhatSpend time outdoors in natural sunlight daily.
WhenDaily, especially in the morning to set circadian rhythms, but also throughout the day to receive a full spectrum of light.
For whomEveryone, particularly those who spend most of their time indoors under artificial lighting.
WhyNatural sunlight provides a broad, balanced spectrum of light, including essential long-wavelength light, which supports mitochondrial function and overall health. It also contributes to vitamin D production and has been linked to lower all-cause mortality.
CaveatsAvoid sunburn. Even on overcast days, significant photon energy is present, though long-wavelength light may be attenuated and scattered by clouds. Light clothing allows long-wavelength light to penetrate the body.

Humans evolved under natural sunlight, which provides a continuous spectrum of light from short to long wavelengths. This balanced exposure is crucial for optimal mitochondrial function. Dr. Jeffrey emphasizes that while specific long-wavelength light devices can be beneficial, they cannot fully replicate the broad spectrum of sunlight. Getting outside, even for short periods, allows the body to receive this natural light, which penetrates the skin and scatters throughout the body, influencing mitochondria in all organs. This practice is a zero-cost way to support health and counteract the effects of modern indoor lighting environments.

I'm a big big fan of natural sunlight because you've evolved life's evolved for billions of years under sunlight, right? It's only recently changed.

Targeted Red Light Therapy for Specific Tissues

WhatApply long-wavelength light directly to specific areas of the body to improve mitochondrial function in those tissues.
WhenAs needed, depending on the specific health goal. Morning application may be more effective due to circadian rhythms of mitochondria.
DoseSpecific duration and intensity will vary by device and target tissue, but even small areas of illumination can have systemic effects.
For whomIndividuals with specific health concerns in particular organs or tissues, or those seeking to optimize function in a localized area.
WhyWhile systemic effects occur, focusing light directly on a tissue (e.g., gallbladder, abdomen) is likely to provide the most immediate and concentrated benefit to the mitochondria in that specific area, which then can communicate with other mitochondria throughout the body.
CaveatsEnsure the device is safe and used according to manufacturer instructions. Avoid lasers unless under strict medical supervision due to the risk of 'costics' (uneven energy distribution) that can damage tissue. The effect on distal tissues may take longer to manifest.

Dr. Jeffrey discusses studies where red light applied to a small area of the back influenced systemic blood glucose, and light on the abdomen reduced Parkinson's symptoms in primates. This highlights the dual benefit of targeted application: direct local effect and subsequent systemic communication. The principle is that while mitochondria communicate across the body, direct illumination provides the strongest initial signal to the target tissue. This approach is particularly relevant for conditions where specific organs are affected, such as macular degeneration or neurodegenerative diseases, where early intervention is key. The mechanism involves the local mitochondria being stimulated, then signaling to the broader mitochondrial community.

If I can improve something 20% well that's great for that person but can we improve it 80%. And that's all about wavelengths. It's all about energies. It's all about us thinking a little bit more carefully before we set up the experiment.

What's new

Personal practice updates, fresh positions, predictions

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LED Lighting as a Public Health Issue

The widespread use of LED lighting, particularly its short-wavelength blue light component, is a significant public health concern, potentially comparable to asbestos, due to its detrimental effects on human biology.

Why this matters: This is a strong, contrarian stance, elevating the issue of LED lighting from a minor inconvenience to a major public health crisis, challenging common perceptions of modern lighting.

Background

Modern society has transitioned from broad-spectrum light sources like fire, candles, and incandescent bulbs to energy-efficient LEDs. This shift occurred rapidly, primarily after 2000, driven by energy savings and longer bulb life.

Dr. Jeffrey and his colleagues are increasingly concerned about the pervasive exposure to LED lighting. He describes a growing consensus among some experts that the issue is on par with historical public health crises like asbestos. The problem stems from the spectral composition of LEDs: they have a significant 'blue spike' (short-wavelength light, particularly 420-440 nm) and lack the balancing long-wavelength (red/infrared) light found in natural sunlight and older incandescent bulbs. This imbalance, rather than the short-wavelength light itself, is believed to be the primary driver of negative health outcomes. The energy efficiency of LEDs, while beneficial for utility bills, has inadvertently created an environment that is physiologically unnatural for humans, who evolved under broad-spectrum light.

This is an issue on the same level as asbestos. This is a public health issue and it's big. And I think it's one of the reasons why I'm really happy to come here and talk because it's time to talk.

Mitochondrial Absorption of Light via Water

Mitochondria do not directly absorb long-wavelength light; instead, the water surrounding them absorbs this light, which then changes the water's viscosity and increases the spin rate of ATP-producing motors within mitochondria.

Why this matters: This presents a novel and counter-intuitive mechanism for how light affects cellular function, shifting the focus from direct mitochondrial absorption to the role of water.

Background

Early research, particularly by Tina Karu, suggested mitochondria directly absorb long-wavelength light. However, Dr. Jeffrey's lab found no direct absorption of red light by isolated mitochondria.

Dr. Jeffrey's lab initially struggled to find direct absorption of red light by mitochondria in test-tube experiments, contradicting earlier assumptions. The breakthrough came with the realization that water, a ubiquitous component of cells, is a strong absorber of long-wavelength light. The proposed mechanism is that this absorption by 'nano water' within mitochondria reduces its viscosity, allowing the ATP synthase motors to spin faster and more efficiently. This immediate effect is then followed by a longer-term adaptation where more energy-producing protein chains are synthesized, effectively 'laying down more tracks' for energy production. This water-mediated mechanism explains why long-wavelength light can have such profound systemic effects, as water is present throughout the body.

Mitochondria themselves are not absorbing long wavelength light. It's the water that they're surrounded by.

Sunlight and All-Cause Mortality

Emerging research suggests that higher levels of sunlight exposure are correlated with lower all-cause mortality, particularly for cardiovascular disease and cancers, challenging the long-held assumption that all sun exposure is detrimental.

Why this matters: This is a contrarian view to the prevailing dermatological advice, suggesting that the benefits of sunlight may outweigh some of the perceived risks, provided sunburn is avoided.

Background

Traditional dermatological advice has heavily emphasized avoiding sun exposure due to concerns about skin cancer and DNA mutations. This has led to a widespread fear of sunlight.

Dr. Jeffrey highlights the work of Richard Weller, a dermatologist who is re-evaluating the relationship between sunlight and human health. Weller's research indicates that all-cause mortality is lower in individuals with significant sunlight exposure, with the primary caveat being the avoidance of sunburn. This suggests that the benefits of sunlight extend beyond just vitamin D production and may involve broader physiological effects. Dr. Jeffrey notes that skin cancer patients often have low, not high, vitamin D levels, further complicating the simple narrative that sun exposure directly causes all skin cancers. The discussion points to a need for a more nuanced understanding of sunlight's role in health, moving beyond a sole focus on UV-induced damage.

all cause mortality is lower in people that get a lot of sunlight and his argument is that the only thing you've got to avoid is sun burn.

Mitochondrial Community and Communication

Mitochondria throughout the body act as a community, communicating and influencing each other's function, meaning that stimulating mitochondria in one area can lead to systemic health benefits.

Why this matters: This concept expands the understanding of mitochondrial function beyond individual cells, suggesting a coordinated network that can be influenced globally.

The observation that shining red light on a small patch of skin can have systemic effects, such as altering blood glucose regulation throughout the body, supports the idea of mitochondria acting as a community. Dr. Jeffrey explains that if mitochondria in one area are stimulated, they can 'have a conversation' with mitochondria in other parts of the body, leading to widespread physiological changes. This communication is thought to involve signaling molecules like cytokines and microvesicles, which carry 'cargos' of information between cells. This community aspect implies that interventions targeting mitochondria don't necessarily need to be applied directly to every affected tissue to achieve broad benefits, as the effects can propagate throughout the body.

It fits into a wider notion that all these mitochondria act as a community. Now we now know that that's coming all from different corners. They act they do things together.

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Incandescent or Halogen Light Bulbs

Product

To provide a full, balanced spectrum of light, similar to natural sunlight, in indoor environments, counteracting the short-wavelength dominance of LEDs.

Incandescent and halogen bulbs emit a broad, smooth spectrum of light, including beneficial long-wavelength (red and infrared) components, unlike the 'spiky' spectrum of LEDs. This makes them physiologically healthier for indoor lighting, especially in the morning. While incandescent bulbs are being phased out in some regions, halogen bulbs offer a similar spectral output and are often still available. Dimming these bulbs can further increase the proportion of infrared light and extend their lifespan.

vs alternatives

Superior to standard LEDs for physiological health due to their balanced spectrum, which more closely mimics natural sunlight. LEDs are energy-efficient but lack the full spectrum, particularly the long-wavelength components.

To a first approximation, the spectrum of light that you get from an incandescent light bulb is highly similar to solar light, right? So, it's it's it covers almost the same range. It's a smooth function.

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Planting Trees and Indoor Plants

Practice

To reflect beneficial infrared light into living and working spaces, contributing to a healthier light environment.

Plant matter naturally reflects infrared light. By strategically planting trees outside buildings, especially on sides that receive sunlight, or by incorporating indoor plants, the reflected infrared light can contribute to a more balanced light spectrum within the built environment. This is a low-cost, natural way to increase exposure to beneficial long-wavelength light, which is often blocked by modern building materials like infrared-blocking glass. Studies have shown that increased greenery in urban areas can lead to reductions in stress markers like systemic inflammation.

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This is a natural, passive method to enhance long-wavelength light exposure, complementing active light sources like incandescent bulbs or red light devices. It also offers additional benefits like improved air quality and aesthetic appeal.

All plant matter reflects infrared light... So planting trees to reflect the infrared light that is available to you is very important.

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Long-Wavelength Light Emitting Devices (e.g., Red Light Panels, Flashlights)

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For targeted exposure to red, near-infrared, and infrared light to improve mitochondrial function, vision, and overall cellular health.

DisclosureAndrew Huberman mentions JWV as a sponsor and his preferred device.

These devices provide concentrated doses of specific long wavelengths of light that have been shown to improve mitochondrial function, reduce inflammation, enhance skin health, and even regulate blood sugar. They are particularly useful for individuals who cannot get sufficient natural sunlight exposure or who wish to target specific tissues. While there's a range in quality, medical-grade devices using clinically proven wavelengths are recommended. Dr. Jeffrey notes that even dim light from these sources can be effective, and the effects are often systemic, not just localized.

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While natural sunlight is ideal, these devices offer a controlled and concentrated way to deliver beneficial long-wavelength light, especially when natural exposure is limited or specific therapeutic effects are desired. They are distinct from lasers, which should be avoided for general use due to uneven energy distribution.

Red light and infrared light have been shown to have remarkable effects on cellular and organ health, including improved mitochondrial function, improved skin health and appearance, reduced pain and inflammation, and even for improving vision itself.

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Notable quotes

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This is an issue on the same level as asbestos. This is a public health issue and it's big. And I think it's one of the reasons why I'm really happy to come here and talk because it's time to talk.
A very strong and provocative statement comparing the impact of LED lighting to a well-known public health disaster, highlighting the urgency and severity of the issue.
Mitochondria themselves are not absorbing long wavelength light. It's the water that they're surrounded by.
A surprising and counter-intuitive revelation about the mechanism of light absorption by mitochondria, shifting the focus to the role of water.
If you look over the population, the size of the effect is around 20%. It's very substantial.
Quantifies the significant positive impact of red light on visual function, providing a concrete measure of its efficacy.
Your body has never experienced such confined limited spectrum of light. Um, never experienced it before.
Emphasizes the evolutionary novelty and potential physiological mismatch of modern LED lighting environments.
No living entity has ever seen monochromatic light before. It is a totally alien thing to life.
Highlights the unnaturalness of laser light exposure, cautioning against its use for general health purposes.
I think that in the built environment, we are suffering from a suppression of our physiology.
A broad and impactful statement suggesting that modern indoor environments are actively hindering human biological function.

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