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The New Way Young Boys Are Being Shamed - William Costello
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The New Way Young Boys Are Being Shamed - William Costello

Chris Williamson
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TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

4 items

TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

4 items
1

The Netflix show 'Adolescence' is fiction, not a documentary; it misrepresents the nature of manosphere-inspired violence, and treating it as a policy guide risks creating a moral panic and giving notoriety to crimes.

2

Incels are disproportionately ethnic minorities (42% POC) and have high rates of autism (~30%) and suicidality (30% think about suicide/self-harm daily over two weeks); the real crisis is mental health, not violence.

3

The male sedation hypothesis argues that online worlds pacify sexless young men, buffering real-world violence, which contradicts the show's implication that internet exposure directly causes extreme violence.

4

Credible male role models, research-backed interventions, and positive masculine frameworks that include agency and competition are needed, rather than knee-jerk policy responses to emotive performance art.

Protocols

Concrete recipes — what, when, how much, and why

5 items

Use credible male role models with evolutionary-aware advice

WhatProvide young men with mentorship that acknowledges sexual selection and teaches skills to become attractive (status, looks, agency) rather than only preaching soft masculinity or leaving them to define masculinity in a vacuum.
WhenIn schools, online interventions, and any youth programs.
For whomAdolescent boys and young men at risk of manosphere content.
WhyIf you don't speak to young men's motivations (e.g., becoming attractive to women) and provide a credible path, they will turn to red pill figures. The 'pickup artist to long-term relationship' arc (e.g., Neil Strauss) shows a powerful narrative that short-term success is hollow.
CaveatsMust be seen as credible, not cringey; cannot come across as feminist platitudes. Role models should be post-woke and not dismissed as 'right-wing'. Avoid zero-sum framing that pits boys against girls.

Costello argues that sexual education in schools lacks any component about how to become attractive to the opposite sex. He points to Scott Galloway's insight that telling young men self-development (education, status, fitness) will help them succeed with women is an empowering message. However, framing self-improvement as a means to attract women can be seen as misogynistic, yet this very motivation is what keeps boys engaged. He suggests using the biographies of pickup artists who later found fulfillment in relationships (Neil Strauss, Tucker Max, Dan Bilzerian) as a credible trajectory — they've been there, done that, and declare it hollow. This bypasses the 'soft male role model' resistance. He also warns that defining masculinity so broadly that anything goes ('define it for yourself') leaves boys without guidance, making them easy prey for manosphere figures.

Mechanism

Young men are status-seeking and sensitive to mate value cues; a credible role model who embodies both masculine achievement and the transcendence of mere mating success can compete with the red pill narrative. The pickup artist arc demonstrates that short-term success doesn't lead to flourishing, which young men may accept because the messenger isn't a hypocrite.

If you don't use that type of motivation to young men, you're going to lose them to the manosphere.

Also said
“I think there's an opportunity to make a a credible role model intervention out of the developmental trajectory of a lot of these pickup artists... they climb the mountaintop, they achieve all the short-term mating success, all the fast cars, the money, they get to the top, and they realize it's not what I want.”— Describes the specific intervention idea using pickup artists' redemptive arcs.
“if you say, 'Well, you can define masculinity for yourself.' That is the exact same as you get no guidance on how to be a person.”— Explains why a clear, non-vacuous masculine framework is needed.

Focus on looks maxing over personality change for male mate value

WhatFor young men seeking to improve their romantic prospects, invest in physical appearance (gym, style, grooming) rather than attempting fundamental personality change, because personality is harder to alter.
WhenAs a practical, non-ideological self-improvement path.
For whomInvoluntarily celibate young men and those insecure about their attractiveness.
WhyThere is little evidence that personality change interventions reliably work for traits like extraversion; physical improvements (muscle, fashion) are more controllable and can increase perceived mate value.
CaveatsHeight cannot be changed; this approach may still be seen as 'gaming' the system and be stigmatized if practiced openly. It does not address deeper social skills or mental health issues.

Costello discusses how the mating market is competitive, and women's selection places weight on appearance. He notes that there is a societal ick around men learning to improve their attractiveness, as if it's inauthentic. Yet women use makeup and cosmetic enhancements without that stigma. He argues that physical changes are more reliable than personality change, and that status accrual through consistency in work/education is another viable path. This protocol pushes back against the idea that women only value 'inner character' and acknowledges the tangible cues that drive attraction.

Mechanism

Physical cues of health, strength, and social status are honest signals of mate quality; improving them through deliberate effort can raise one's mate value ranking even if it feels 'artificial', because the outcome (better health, stronger body) is still real.

looks maxing actually might be more realistic for a lot of unattractive young men than fundamentally changing your personality... the gym can transform you. So it actually is plausible that you could change improve your mate value by looks smacking more than changing your personality.

Also said
“it's interesting that the mating market is there's a certain type of person that wants to pretend it's completely opaque... You are selected in it. You compete in it. You're chosen along rank order. You have value in it.”— Frames the rationale for treating attractiveness as a rank-order game.

Promote positive masculinity through agency and locus of control

WhatDefine masculinity as the ability to cultivate agency to achieve one's vision of success, embracing competition, mastery, and protection, without being a narrow stereotype.
WhenIn educational and policy discussions about men and boys.
For whomPolicy makers, educators, parents seeking a non-toxic but robust male identity.
WhyOverly broad definitions ("define masculinity for yourself") leave young men confused and vulnerable to extreme ideologies; a framework centered on agency is inclusive yet provides direction and recognizes innate status hierarchies.
CaveatsMust not be co-opted by zero-sum narratives that see any attention to boys as stealing from girls. The 'post-woke' framing is needed to avoid backlash.

Costello recounts a debate in Qatar where a gay Lebanese man argued that masculinity was in too tight a box and needed to be blown open. Costello's response: if everything is masculinity, nothing is. Without some structure, boys get no guidance. He proposes agency as a flexible core — you can pursue arts, sports, career, but you must develop the capacity to act effectively. This acknowledges competitiveness and status hierarchies as real (women select on status), so lying to boys about them harms them. He insists that the days of labeling all traditional male traits as 'toxic' or 'far right' must end for any positive masculinity message to land.

Mechanism

Agency provides a clear, actionable path that maps onto male status-seeking psychology; competition and dominance are not inherently toxic but are channels that need healthy direction.

positive masculinity is locus of control or agency. So that gives space for whatever your vision of success is. Masculinity is your ability to cultivate enough agency to achieve that. That includes everyone.

Also said
“humans form status hierarchies. It's an absolute crime to convince someone that they don't. Imagine what a hamstring you give your son if you tell him you don't need to compete in any way with others in society.”— Emphasizes why denying competition is damaging.

Avoid giving notoriety to incel crimes; follow reporting protocols

WhatWhen reporting on incel-related violence, do not glamorize or create anti-heroes; follow guidelines from the Institute for Male Supremacism on notoriety prevention.
WhenMedia coverage and school-based interventions about incel violence.
For whomJournalists, politicians, educators considering showing Adolescence in schools.
WhyPublicizing these acts as headline-grabbing stories gives notoriety that can inspire copycats and backfire, especially with a subculture that cruises for causes.
CaveatsBalancing public awareness with notoriety is tricky; ignoring the topic may let misinformation spread.

Costello warns that making Adolescence a mandatory school viewing and parliamentary discussion may elevate a specific type of crime to notoriety, potentially inspiring imitation. He references Jake Davidson's videos being aired on Sky News and the United Healthcare CEO shooter's portrayal as a sex symbol, noting that spree killers often seek fame. The show, by being hailed as a national conversation starter, could give the impression that such an act guarantees massive attention, which is a dangerous precedent.

there is a reason why incel stories really capture our attention. So, it could be actually really dangerous to not fully understand why that's happening. and to continue doing this... you shouldn't give uh make um potential heroes or anti-heroes out of these people

Also said
“if you're suddenly uh talking about a crime that will get you perhaps a show that is the most watched Netflix show of all time within a couple of weeks, parliament are going to discuss this problem. it's going to be shown to every school in the UK. That gives notoriety and that's uh perhaps will have a backfiring effect.”— Explicitly connects the show's rollout to notoriety risk.

Use evolutionary psychology insights for long-term relationship success

WhatDevelop resources (books, workshops) that apply mating psychology to sustaining relationships, similar to how pickup artists applied it to short-term attraction.
WhenAs a complement to existing relationship education.
For whomMen (and women) in committed relationships seeking to improve them.
WhyThe same research that explains mating dynamics can help people navigate long-term pair-bonding, but currently there is a gap — most EP-based advice focuses on initial attraction.
CaveatsMust avoid becoming manipulative 'game' strategies; needs to be transparent and pro-social.

Costello mentions Jeffrey Miller, who wrote the book 'Mate' (the best men's dating advice book according to Costello) and ran an online call-in show with Tucker Max and Carin Perilloux to help young men in the early 2010s. He suggests that a sequel for long-term relationships would be valuable, especially given the rise of married red pill spaces that may have become toxic. He sees potential in translating EP's findings into actionable advice for maintaining attraction and partnership satisfaction.

I think that what would be especially in this sort of new era uh an equivalent that's like uh those insights but for long-term relationships.

Also said
“Mate, Become the Man Women Want is probably the best men's dating advice book of all time.”— Cements the recommendation of Miller's work as a credible source.

What's new

Personal practice updates, fresh positions, predictions

5 items

Incels are not predominantly white; ethnic minorities are overrepresented

New data from William Costello's research shows 42% of incels in US/UK samples are people of color, and around 30% have autism. This contradicts media portrayals of incels as white loners.

Why this matters: It challenges the narrative that the manosphere is a white male problem and highlights overlooked mental health dimensions.

Background

Popular depictions like Adolescence and media assume the typical incel is a white boy from a good family. The government's roundtable discussions and school screenings are based on that assumption.

Costello explains that the Institute for Strategic Dialogue, a progressive organization, found higher admiration for Andrew Tate among Asian and Black boys than white boys (12% white approval). His own research confirms that incels are disproportionately non-white and have high rates of autism (30%). This complicates the racial framing of the show and suggests interventions must address these demographics and the mental health underpinnings, such as suicidality, which is vastly higher than the general population (30% daily suicidal thoughts vs. 5% annual in the general population). He argues the show ignored these realities, instead depicting a white, well-raised boy, which may misdirect public understanding and policy.

In our recent data, 42% of incels were a person of color, that's exclusively US and UK sample, uh the extraordinarily high rates of autism uh among the incel community, roughly 30% based on our latest data.

Also said
“30% of incels in our recent data uh said they thought about suicide or self harm every day over the last 2 weeks... So twothirds have had these thoughts pretty regularly at least once in the last two weeks.”— Adds the stark mental health dimension that Costello says the show didn't touch.
“the study is from the Institute for Strategic Dialogue, who are actually quite a progressive um almost you'd say woke uh organization. So for them to actually publish those findings um tells you something.”— Gives credibility to the overrepresentation finding even from an unlikely source.

Male sedation hypothesis: online worlds pacify sexless young men, reducing violence

Costello's hypothesis suggests that the rise in sexlessness among young men has not led to a corresponding rise in violent crime because online environments provide cathartic status games that pacify them, contrary to the show's implication that the internet breeds killers.

Why this matters: It offers a counter-narrative to the alarmist view that manosphere content inevitably leads to violence; it explains the lack of an incel violence epidemic.

Background

The show Adolescence portrays a boy who kills after being influenced by online manosphere content, suggesting the internet is a direct pipeline to violence. Costello argues there is no epidemic of such violence and that the real pattern is young men staying in their rooms, not causing street trouble.

Costello's male sedation hypothesis posits that young men who might otherwise have been competing for status and mates through physical confrontation are now absorbed by online worlds, including pornography and gaming. These digital status games provide a substitute that reduces real-world aggression. He points out that there has been no documented case like the show's fictional murder — a 13-year-old white boy from a good family stabbing a girl because of incel ideology. The closest case, Jake Davidson, is very different. The hypothesis suggests we might be choosing a poison: if these online outlets were removed, we might see more real-world violence. Costello notes the show does the opposite, claiming "we thought they were safe in their room on their computer," but in reality they probably are safer there than on the streets.

you should expect the rise in sexlessness to also correspond with the rise in violent crime. And that doesn't seem to be happening so clearly. And our hypothesis was that well young men are actually spending time uh cathartically or uh being pacified in online worlds, not just pornography, but online worlds themselves.

Also said
“it may be a case of choose your poison, that if we didn't have these kind of online outlets, online status games, um, that could be buffering against the real world violence.”— Clarifies the trade-off if we ban or severely restrict online access.
“There has been no 13-year-old white kid who's getting good grades in school, not causing much trouble. suddenly going and stabbing a girl... because of exclusively because of incel manosphere content.”— Emphasizes the lack of real-world cases matching the show's premise.

Low mate value theory of misogyny

Costello hypothesizes that incel misogyny functions as a strategy to lower women's self-esteem and discourage rival males, similar to how low mate value men in relationships undermine their partners.

Why this matters: It reframes incel hostility not just as anger but as a covert competitive tactic, potentially explaining the performative nature of online misogyny.

Background

Misogyny in manosphere spaces is often dismissed as mere hatred. Costello's theory suggests evolutionary logic: by spreading negative narratives about women ("you'll hit the wall", "Chad will beat you"), incels may aim to reduce women's standards and persuade rivals to give up.

Costello describes two tandem strategies: (1) lower women's self-perceived mate value so they settle for lower-status men, and (2) encourage rival males to take the black pill and exit the mating competition, reducing competition. He notes that this is analogous to how low mate value men in relationships attack their partner's self-esteem to prevent them from leaving. The anonymous online environment allows free-riding — spreading misogyny without personal reputational cost. He admits most incels seem to genuinely believe their ideology, but there could be a subset of dark triad men executing this consciously.

I hypothesized that incels misogyny or male misogyny from outside of the relationship is just that strategy trying to lower women's self-esteem. Uh there's also the aspect of incelss in particular. It could be a very very sneaky strategy to try and encourage your rival males to stop trying.

Also said
“It reminds women of their poor mating choices. Oh, you can't tell that Chad is going to end up beating you up. Uh, reminding them that they're going to hit the wall, their mate value is going to expire quite sharply. Reminder, basically trying to function to help them lower their standards.”— Shows the specific narratives that align with the low mate value theory.
“it could be a strategy that modern men pursue.”— Acknowledges that even if not conscious, the pattern fits a strategic function.

Concept creep of inceldom: from sexless to lacking genuine desire

Incels have shifted their claim from being unable to get sex to being unable to inspire genuine desire, making their condition unfalsifiable and more pathological.

Why this matters: This makes exiting inceldom nearly impossible even if they enter a relationship, as they can always doubt their partner's genuine desire.

Background

Initially, incels argued that unattractive men couldn't attract partners. When counter-examples of unattractive men in relationships were given, they moved the goalpost to 'they can't inspire genuine desire,' which is impossible to verify.

Costello notes that this concept creep creates a trap: if an incel ascends into a relationship, his ideology may lead him to never accept it as genuine, fueling dead bedroom narratives. He mentions a debate with an incel forum administrator who cited Reddit dead bedroom posts as evidence that the problem is pervasive, but Costello countered with data showing most couples have regular sex. This creep makes interventions harder because the pathology becomes self-sealing.

incelss have now shifted in in what I've seen towards well they can't inspire genuine desire in the woman and that's a very unfalsifiable kind of claim cuz who knows if they can or if they can't.

Also said
“I had a little back and forth with the administrator of the main incel forum... How would he define an incel who's ascended, who's no longer an incel who formed a relationship? How would he know if he has or has not inspired genuine desire?”— Highlights the practical impossibility of satisfying the new standard.

Incels massively overestimate animosity and underestimate sympathy

A recent 'white pill' paper found that incels think society hates them far more than it actually does, except for feminist women, whose animosity they accurately perceive.

Why this matters: It suggests that correcting these misperceptions could be a pathway for intervention, while acknowledging that online hostility toward incels is real.

Background

Incels often cite bullying and societal rejection. The paper reveals a cognitive distortion where they overestimate the negative attitudes of the general public, which could reinforce their isolation.

Costello's study showed that the general population and even non-feminist women have more sympathy for incels than incels believe. However, feminist women are an exception — incels are accurate about their animosity. He cautions that incels do face real hostility, citing the forum 'IncelTears' which had to ban encouraging suicide of incels. So while there is genuine abuse, incels amplify its prevalence, which may be a target for cognitive interventions.

we found that incelss massively overestimate the animosity that society has for them and underestimate the sympathy. Now caveat that wasn't true for feminist women. They actually were pretty accurate at detecting the amount of animosity they hold them in.

Also said
“incel tier which is literally a forum for bullying incelss... had to instantiate a rule saying no more encouraging of suicide for incelss please.”— Shows the real hostility that exists, preventing dismissal of incels' concerns entirely.

Recommendations

Products, supplements, and tools mentioned in the episode

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Mate: Become the Man Women Want by Geoffrey Miller

Book

Costello calls it the best men's dating advice book, applying evolutionary psychology to mating.

Costello highlights Miller's work as the gold standard for translating evolutionary psychology into practical dating advice for men, arguing it's criminally under-circulated. He mentions Miller's early efforts with Tucker Max and Carin Perilloux to run a call-in show helping young men.

vs alternatives

Contrasts with manosphere red pill advice, which is often shallow and short-term focused.

Mate, Become the Man Women Want is probably the best men's dating advice book of all time.

Also said
“I think that that's the next thing that Jeffree should do because for the people that never read it because it was criminally uh uncirculated”— Emphasizes its quality and underappreciation.
Find Mate:

Incel Exit forum (incel exit)

Practice

A forum where former incels share stories of how they navigated out of inceldom and manage new relationships.

Costello recommends it as a source of positive, credible role models within the incel community itself, which rarely gets attention compared to the more toxic forums. It offers realistic pathways and addresses post-relationship challenges.

vs alternatives

Better than mainstream interventions that often lack credibility with incels.

One really important source to look to I think is a positive incel forum incel exit. It's full of stories of former incelss who navigated their way out of it and how they're managing their new relationships and all the problems that go with that.

Find Incel
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Personal experience

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Personal experience

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Personal experience

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Notable quotes

Lines worth pulling out — contrarian, specific, or perfectly phrased

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There is no epidemic of manosphere inspired violence like depicted in the show.
Directly challenges the premise that Adolescence is a realistic portrayal; states the show's central fear is unfounded.
If you don't use that type of motivation to young men, you're going to lose them to the manosphere.
Captures the urgency of speaking to young men's mating motivations honestly, or risk them turning to extremists.
if everything is masculinity, then nothing is masculinity.
A pithy critique of the over-broadening of masculinity that leaves young men without clear guidance.
the zero sum thinking that the attention that's being paid to boys that are falling behind somehow takes away from girls that are outstripping them... We have to stop that zero sum thinking for sure.
Addresses the cultural resistance to acknowledging boys' struggles, by both host and guest.
I hypothesize that incels misogyny or male misogyny from outside of the relationship is just that strategy trying to lower women's self-esteem. Uh there's also the aspect of incelss in particular. It could be a very very sneaky strategy to try and encourage your rival males to stop trying.
Provides a novel evolutionary rationale for incel misogyny that goes beyond simple hate.

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