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Paul Saladino Still Doesn't Understand Science | What the Fitness | Biolayne
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Paul Saladino Still Doesn't Understand Science | What the Fitness | Biolayne

Layne Norton
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TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

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TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

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Layne Norton refutes Paul Saladino's claim that David protein bars cause anal leakage, explaining that EPG is solid at body temperature unlike Olestra, making it safe.

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Norton dismantles the micronutrient depletion argument, showing that the beta-carotene reduction study lacked a dose-response and that EPG's solid form prevents fat-soluble vitamin loss.

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He discloses his personal investment in David protein, emphasizes his track record of transparency, and calls out Saladino's hypocrisy of selling whey protein after condemning it.

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Practical advice: if you tolerate David bars, they are fine; otherwise, opt for chicken breast for high-protein low-calorie goals.

Protocols

Concrete recipes — what, when, how much, and why

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If you experience GI distress from David bars, avoid them

WhatIf you have digestive sensitivity, bloating, or any issues after eating David bars, simply don't consume them.
WhenUpon noticing adverse symptoms.
For whomPeople who notice gastrointestinal discomfort after eating bars containing EPG.
WhyIndividual digestive sensitivities vary; EPG may not suit everyone even if it is generally safe.
CaveatsNorton notes that his personal experience and studies show good tolerance, but acknowledges that some may react differently.

it is very possible that some people could have sensitivities to David bars and to EPG, and in that case, I'd recommend not consuming them.

Eat chicken breast for high protein, low calories

WhatChoose chicken breast as a whole-food alternative to processed high-protein bars to minimize calories and maximize protein.
WhenWhenever you want a low-calorie protein source without processed ingredients.
For whomAnyone seeking a simple, clean protein option.
WhyChicken breast is naturally lean, high in protein, and free of added fats or sugar alcohols.

if you want high protein, low calories, eat a chicken breast.

What's new

Personal practice updates, fresh positions, predictions

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epg-solid-at-body-temperature

EPG remains solid at body temperature, so it does not cause anal leakage, unlike Olestra which became liquid.

Why this matters: Directly contradicts Paul Saladino's claim that David bars cause anal leakage akin to Olestra, correcting a key public fear.

Background

Olestra, a fat substitute from the 1990s, caused embarrassing anal leakage because it was solid at room temp but liquid at body temp, creating oily droplets. Paul Saladino equated EPG in David bars to Olestra, citing Amazon reviews as evidence.

Norton explains the critical physical difference: EPG is solid at room temperature and remains solid at body temperature. When you consume EPG, it stays in solid form throughout the digestive tract, acting like normal food chyme, and passes through without causing leakage. Olestra, in contrast, melted at body temperature into a liquid oil, which could pool and leak from the anal sphincter. This property difference is the entire reason EPG doesn't cause anal leakage, and no studies have shown such an effect. Norton himself ate up to four bars per day and gave them to friends and family with no issues, though he acknowledges individual sensitivities possible. He asserts Saladino either ignored or didn't read the actual science, instead relying on inaccurate comparisons.

Personal experience

I myself have eaten up to four bars per day. I have given it to various friends and family. They have not experienced any of these issues.

EPG, however, is yes, solid at room temperature, but also solid at body temperature, and it does not cause anal leakage.

Also said
“This has not been shown in any studies, and anecdotally, I myself have eaten up to four bars per day.”— Adds personal trial data and lack of scientific evidence.
“I do hold open the fact that everybody's digestive system can have different sensitivities, and it is very possible that some people could have sensitivities to David bars and to EPG, and in that case, I'd recommend not consuming them.”— Fair caveat acknowledging individual variation.

beta-carotene-depletion-no-dose-response

A single study showed a small decrease in beta-carotene at high EPG doses, but the highest dose group had less reduction than a moderate dose, undermining causation.

Why this matters: Reveals that Saladino's claim of micronutrient depletion relies on a misinterpreted study with no dose-response, a hallmark of a real effect.

Background

Saladino claimed that EPG depletes you of micronutrients, citing studies. Norton looked at the actual study, which examined beta-carotene levels at different EPG intakes.

Norton points out that the study found a small decrease in beta-carotene at a moderate EPG dose, but the highest dose group showed less decrease, not more. If EPG truly acted as a nutrient sink, you'd expect a linear dose-response: more EPG, greater depletion. Instead, the inverted result suggests the effect might be noise rather than real. He also underscores the mechanistic reason why EPG wouldn't trap fat-soluble vitamins: since it's solid at body temperature, it won't form micelles with vitamins to shuttle them out of the body, unlike liquid fat substitutes like Olestra. Thus, any minor beta-carotene change is likely clinically insignificant.

The issue with this study was they actually showed that the highest level of EPG didn't cause as much of a reduction in beta carotene compared to a moderate level.

Also said
“typically, if something is actually having depleting effect, you see a dose response. So, I'm not even sure it's a real effect.”— Explains the scientific reasoning that absence of dose response suggests no genuine depletion.
“since EPG, again, is solid at body temperature, it's just going to be churned up as normal food chyme and go through your digestive tract.”— Mechanistic backing why vitamins wouldn't be lost.

sugar-alcohols-browning-effect

David bars used maltitol, a sugar alcohol, to address an early browning issue and lower glycemic impact, not just for sweetness, and these are safe.

Why this matters: Provides context for the bar's ingredient changes, deflecting criticism of sugar alcohols as unnecessary.

Background

Early David bars experienced a color change (browning) over time, which could alarm consumers. This is a common Maillard-like reaction between ingredients, harmless but visually unappealing.

Norton explains that food formulation involves balancing taste, texture, shelf life, and appearance. David's team noticed that some early bars browned over time; while not dangerous, a color shift could make consumers think the product had spoiled. To fix this, they reformulated, increasing the use of maltitol. Maltitol also helps reduce the bar's glycemic response and contributes to mouthfeel. So, the use of sugar alcohols was a practical solution, not a reckless addition of 'chemicals'. Norton implies that Saladino's criticism of sugar alcohols is overstated, as they serve multiple functional roles.

David early on noticed that with some of their early bars, over time there was a browning effect... they swapped out some of the ingredients, and maltitol, which is a sugar alcohol, was used a little bit more prominently as part of this.

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“it caused them to change color a bit. And obviously, if you're a consumer and you see a color change that you're not expecting, you can get concerned.”— Explains the consumer psychology driving the reformulation.

saladino-whey-protein-hypocrisy

Saladino previously criticized whey protein as unhealthy but now sells his own whey protein, highlighting an undisclosed conflict of interest.

Why this matters: Illustrates the danger of trusting influencers who don't disclose changed stances or COIs, reinforcing Norton's emphasis on transparency.

Background

Paul Saladino made public statements that whey protein is bad for you, yet he later launched a whey protein product for profit, without clearly explaining the change in philosophy.

Norton uses this as a prime example of why people should worry more about undisclosed conflicts of interest than disclosed ones. While Norton openly states his investment in David bars, Saladino's pivot from condemning whey to selling it is not equally transparent. Norton frames this as a pattern of dishonesty: Saladino will proclaim something harmful until he can monetize it, then conveniently reverse his position. This, Norton argues, makes Saladino's original claims about David bars less credible, as they may be driven by competitive market interests rather than science.

people who say whey protein is bad for you, but then later sell whey protein cuz they can make money. Get out of here with this.

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“I am very, very transparent when I have a conflict of interest, whether it be my personal beliefs or a monetary interest.”— Contrasts his own approach.
“It's people who don't disclose their conflicts of interest. Or people who don't disclose that they changed their mind.”— Specifies what makes someone untrustworthy.

Recommendations

Products, supplements, and tools mentioned in the episode

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Prefer experts who disclose conflicts of interest

Practice

When evaluating health advice, prioritize those who openly state their financial ties and personal biases.

Norton argues that total objectivity is impossible; everyone has biases, but open disclosure is a sign of integrity. He himself consistently declares his investment in David protein. He cautions that people who hide their conflicts or conveniently change their mind without explanation are the real danger. He uses Paul Saladino's whey protein reversal as an example of untrustworthy behavior. The practice is to scrutinize not the presence of a conflict, but the transparency about it.

vs alternatives

Compared to influencers who do not disclose sponsorships or changed opinions, transparent experts allow consumers to weigh potential bias.

Personal experience

I am very, very transparent when I have a conflict of interest, whether it be my personal beliefs or a monetary interest.

people that willingly disclose their conflicts of interest are not who you need to worry about typically. It's people who don't disclose their conflicts of interest.

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“no one is unbiased in anything. In fact, people's personal beliefs are often times a much bigger motivator than money.”— Deepens the argument for why disclosure matters more than the existence of bias.
Find Prefer
Disclosed sponsorships1speaker disclosed

David Protein Bars

Product Sponsored · disclosed

Norton recommends David bars as a safe, high-protein, low-calorie snack, provided the consumer does not have personal sensitivity to EPG.

DisclosureI am an investor in David protein, so I own a small percentage of the company.

Norton has invested in the company after examining the science. He consumed up to four bars daily with no side effects and gave them to friends and family. He believes the EPG used is not associated with anal leakage or significant micronutrient depletion. He acknowledges that sugar alcohols like maltitol were added for shelf-life and glycemic reasons, but overall considers the product well-tolerated and safe. He contrasts his open investment against influencers who hide financial ties or change stances without explanation.

vs alternatives

Compared to plain chicken breast, bars offer convenience and a different texture; however, whole foods remain a valid alternative.

Personal experience

I myself have eaten up to four bars per day. I have given it to various friends and family. They have not experienced any of these issues.

I would not have invested in David protein if I had not done the research because I do not want my name tied to something that's or something that could harm people.

Also said
“the human studies on EPG have shown it is very well tolerated with very few reported side effects.”— Cites human data supporting safety.
“I do hold open the fact that everybody's digestive system can have different sensitivities... and in that case, I'd recommend not consuming them.”— Balances endorsement with caveat.
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Notable quotes

Lines worth pulling out — contrarian, specific, or perfectly phrased

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EPG, however, is yes, solid at room temperature, but also solid at body temperature, and it does not cause anal leakage.
The core scientific rebuttal, delivered with blunt clarity.
His claim about depleting you of micronutrients, that simply isn't true.
Another decisive counter-claim, dismissing a fear-mongering point.
people that willingly disclose their conflicts of interest are not who you need to worry about typically. It's people who don't disclose their conflicts of interest. Or people who don't disclose that they changed their mind. Or people who say whey protein is bad for you, but then later sell whey protein cuz they can make money.
Encapsulates Norton's philosophy on trust and hypocrisy, and hits Saladino directly.
you can usually conclude one of three things when it comes to things that Paul Saladino says. Either one, he hasn't read the research and he's completely ignorant of it. Two, he's read it, it didn't align with his personal beliefs, and so he purposely misrepresents what is in the research. Or three, he ignores the vast body of research and cherry-picks one or two studies that agree with his beliefs.
Systematic dismantling of Saladino's credibility, summarizing the pattern of disinformation.
if you want high protein, low calories, eat a chicken breast.
Simple, no-nonsense alternative that undercuts the need for processed bars, yet from someone selling bars shows pragmatism.

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