John Veto identifies four addictive factors (power, matter, relationships, knowledge) that keep consciousness trapped in the reincarnation cycle on Earth, and claims that the key to exiting is complete saturation with each of them — not their suppression or asceticism.
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He describes his own mystical experience of the 'I am' state (during a legal psychedelic journey in the Netherlands) as permanently growing euphoria without entropy — something fundamentally unattainable in the material simulation, where everything tends toward decay.
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Veto argues that dualism is the fundamental mechanism of this simulation, which means objective truth does not exist — every thesis generates an antithesis, and all ideological conflicts and religious wars are pointless from this perspective.
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The decision to exit the incarnation cycle is made in a window of about 90 seconds after the avatar's death and depends on prior emotional detachment from the four addictive factors — a declaration made during life is not enough.
Protocols
Concrete recipes — what, when, how much, and why
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Ego Observation — Recognizing Moments of Takeover
WhatConsciously observing situations where the egotistical part of the personality manifests — identifying the circumstances, conditions, and impulses preceding its activation.
WhenIn everyday situations, especially those triggering strong emotions: rivalry, the need to be right, the desire to be first, conflicts.
DoseContinuous practice — every social and decision-making situation is an opportunity for observation.
For whomAnyone who wants to reduce automatic egotistical reactions and increase freedom of choice.
WhyYou cannot control an ego you don't perceive. Observation is the first, necessary step to regaining agency over automatic reactions.
CaveatsIt's not about eliminating the ego (impossible in the simulation) — it's about noticing it and making a conscious decision whether to follow it or not.
Veto emphasizes that the ego is not the enemy — it is an integral part of the avatar's software, responsible for its safety. The problem is not its existence, but that in most cases, people are completely unaware of its operation. Parents pacify children, teachers pacify students, students pacify teachers — everywhere the ego takes control without the person's awareness.
The process Veto himself underwent consists of several stages. First: identify that there is a personality within me that has 'uncool traits'. Second: start observing when it reveals itself — in what circumstances, under what conditions. Third: ask myself if I am able — often having only 3 seconds to decide — to notice its appearance and consciously give up the egotistical reaction. Initially, there is an internal conflict because we identify with the ego ('I am the ego'). But after 10, 15, 20 times of giving it up, Veto noticed that he becomes increasingly free, and the ego manifests to a lesser and lesser degree.
Mechanism
The ego acts like the avatar's embedded software — it automatically takes control in situations threatening its perimeters (safety, status, control). Observation introduces a delay between stimulus and reaction, enabling conscious choice instead of automatism.
Personal experience
Veto talks about his own process: 'when the first, second, tenth, fifteenth, twentieth time I gave up this ego approach, I noticed that I was becoming increasingly free. It no longer manifests to the same degree and extent as it did before.'
I first started observing when it reveals itself, in what circumstances, under what conditions, what must happen. And then I asked myself, okay, since it appears there [...] am I able, in a situation that is brief [...] to notice that it appeared there?
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“it is not possible in this simulation [to completely get rid of the ego]. It is not possible because it is an integral part of the avatar. It is software.”— Immediately dispels the unrealistic expectation of total ego elimination.
“I have no problem with the fact that the egotistical part of me takes care of the avatar in some way [...] that it guards me, so I don't sometimes step into a busy street.”— Shows that the ego also has a protective, useful function — it is not exclusively negative.
The 60-Second State Without Thought (according to Eckhart Tolle)
WhatMaintaining a state of mental non-engagement for 60 seconds — loose observation of what the mind suggests, without generating new thoughts and without following existing ones.
WhenAt any moment of the day, ideally as a regular quieting practice.
Dose60 seconds as a starting point — with no specified upper limit.
For whomEveryone, especially people living in constant mental noise.
WhyThoughts come spontaneously; the mind generates them automatically. Detaching from them leads to a state of deep inner peace and euphoria without external cause.
CaveatsYou shouldn't 'strain' to achieve this state, because then the ego appears. The more loosely you approach observation, the more effectively thoughts are extinguished.
Veto draws this practice from Eckhart Tolle's 'The Power of Now' — it's about entering the state 'between one thought and the next, which hasn't appeared'. He describes it as his personal, great success: maintaining a state of mental non-engagement for 60 seconds. It's not about forcefully suppressing thoughts, but about a loose approach — the more you try, the stronger the ego. The more loosely you approach, after a few seconds the mind's 'suggestions' are erased, extinguished.
Veto emphasizes the fundamental difference between this state and states of high exaltation: this is not a state of high vibrations in the sense of excitement or elation. It is a state of quieting — low frequencies, like the sound 'om'. And it is precisely in this quieting that one achieves inner peace and euphoria that do not come from an external stimulus.
Mechanism
Science (neurobiological experiments) shows that we don't know what we will think in 6 seconds — thoughts come spontaneously, and decisions are made several seconds before we become aware of them. Consciousness is merely informed of a decision already made. The practice of thoughtlessness does not 'turn off' the mind, but cuts off identification with incoming thoughts, allowing the experience of a pre-thought state.
Personal experience
Veto describes this as 'my personal success and it is truly a great success in my assessment'. He admits he's not sure if it's possible for everyone, but he succeeds — for 60 seconds, not generating thoughts.
the more loosely you approach observing what your mind suggests to you, after a few seconds these suggestions are erased, extinguished. You begin to enter this state of absolute inner peace, thoughtlessness [...] And this state is fully euphoric.
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“you don't know what you will think in 6 seconds. You don't even know what you will think in a second. [...] decisions are made several seconds earlier. Consciousness is only informed.”— Scientific justification for the practice — thoughts are not ours, they come from somewhere, and consciousness is only the receiver.
Saturation with the Four Factors — The Process of Liberation Through Surfeit
WhatConsciously, fully experiencing each of the four addictive factors (power, matter, relationships, knowledge) until a moment of authentic saturation and readiness to let go without regret arises.
WhenAs a long-term, multi-year life process — not as a technique to be completed in a week.
DoseIndividually different for each factor; may last many incarnations.
For whomFor anyone who feels a fundamental lack despite material abundance — a signal that saturation has not yet occurred.
WhyYou cannot authentically let go of something you haven't fully experienced. An unfulfilled desire will pull the self back into the simulation.
CaveatsThe saturation process cannot be faked or accelerated by a declaration. You have to genuinely live through each factor, not just process it intellectually. There is a risk of getting stuck in one of the factors for many incarnations.
Veto describes this using his own example: for over a dozen years he collected material attributes — money, successes — believing they would satisfy his needs. He reached a point where he understood that 'whatever I might possess in this matter, it is absolutely unable to satisfy my deep needs'. This understanding came only after fully experiencing material well-being — it couldn't come earlier, because earlier he believed that was exactly what he lacked.
The key is the moment of saturation — like with his view of the Bieszczady mountains: he loves them, has gone there since childhood, they will always deeply move him, but at the same time he feels he is already saturated. If the Bieszczady disappeared tomorrow, he would accept it calmly. This is not indifference — it is a fullness that no longer needs more.
Veto emphasizes that he struggles most with the factor of relationships — especially with his daughter — and that this is the only thing that still holds him. He would not make the decision to leave until he works through this attachment.
Mechanism
The self incarnates with specific lacks — something it did not experience in previous incarnations. If it never had power, it will desire it. If it did not experience deep relationships, it will return to them. The mechanism is similar to hunger: you won't satisfy it by talking about food, you have to eat. Only satiety — authentic surfeit — makes the organism (here: the self) lose interest in a given stimulus.
Personal experience
Veto talks about a moment on the gratitude hill in the Bieszczady mountains: 'I understood that I have absolutely complete saturation with this view, this experience [...] that if someone came and said: from tomorrow there are no Bieszczady, I'm erasing them from geography, I would say: okay.'
I noticed that satisfying these needs on a material level [...] does not solve the fundamental lack somewhere on a deep level. [...] whatever I might possess in this matter, it is absolutely unable to satisfy my deep needs.
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“if [you have not experienced] through your experience in previous incarnations power, relationships, matter, and knowledge, then you will likely desire these experiences.”— Explains the reason for returning to the same themes in subsequent incarnations.
“I asked myself fundamental questions, whether if, for example, I had to give up this experience today, am I able to let it go? I am. Next. Am I able to let go of this experience? I am. And in this way, through elimination, I began to understand that I am able to emotionally detach from this experience.”— A concrete method for checking the level of saturation — systematically asking questions and testing readiness to let go.
Reduction of the Meaning of Existence — Simplifying to the Present
WhatDeliberately reducing the meaning and sense attributed to everyday experiences — inspired by Eckhart Tolle's 'The Power of Now' — until reaching a state where existence is experienced without interpretive superstructure.
WhenAs a daily practice accompanying all activities.
DoseContinuous practice, gradually deepened.
For whomPeople at an advanced stage of working through the four factors, who already understand the mechanics of the simulation.
WhyThe more sense and meaning we assign to experiences, the more strongly we attach to the simulation. Simplification reduces the ego's anchor points.
CaveatsThis is not an encouragement to nihilism or depression — it's about liberation from an excess of meanings, not about losing the joy of life. The practice is subtle and easily misunderstood as withdrawal from life.
Veto contrasts this practice with popular approaches in his environment that involve assigning deep meaning through rituals, communication with the body, 'ringing bells'. For him, the master of reduction is Eckhart Tolle. It's not about doing nothing — it's about doing without egotistical narrative superstructure.
He uses the example of a race: you can win and be first, but the key is from what place you make decisions — whether from ego ('I must win') or from the self ('I will stop and help'). Reduction of meaning does not mean giving up action, only giving up the egotistical meaning assigned to the action.
Mechanism
The ego functions by assigning meaning — 'this is important', 'this defines me', 'without this I won't be myself'. Each such meaning is a thread connecting the self to the avatar. The more meanings, the more threads. Reducing them — consciously letting go of narratives about what 'must' happen — loosens identification with the avatar and brings one closer to the 'I am' state, which is beyond meaning.
Personal experience
Veto says: 'in my experience, I noticed that the more I simplify, the more I reduce the meaning of existence here [...] the easier I enter the state between one thought and the next.'
the more I simplify, the more I reduce the meaning of existence here, and the master of reduction for me is Eckhart Tolle, the power of now.
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“If you want peace, you will be in inner peace yourself, then [...] by force of nature you emanate this peace around you.”— Consequence of the practice — the inner state reflects in external events (the mirror technique).
The Race Paradigm — Test of Consciously Giving Up Victory
WhatIn a rivalry situation, when the ego suggests 'drive, you'll be first', consciously stopping and helping a competitor — even at the cost of one's own loss.
WhenIn moments of choice between egotistical victory and action transcending the ego.
DoseEach decision in the moment of temptation.
For whomEveryone, especially in professional, sports, and social situations where rivalry is strong.
WhyEvery conscious renunciation of an egotistical reaction weakens the automatic mechanism of the ego and increases the feeling of inner freedom.
CaveatsIt's not about never winning or always giving up — it's about a conscious choice in a specific situation where the ego clearly takes control.
Veto illustrates this with an elaborate parable about a race: you are second, just before the finish line the leader's car breaks down. The ego says: 'Drive, you'll be first'. If you drive on — the ego has possessed you. If you stop, attach a tow rope, and pull him across the finish line first, and yourself second — you won, but from a different place. Everyone sees what you did and respects you, because 'we, possessing this divine element, know what is right'.
This parable shows the subtle difference we don't perceive in everyday life. It's not about stopping winning — it's about winning (or losing) from the level of the self, not from the level of the ego. 'You are to win, you are to be first. But remember at what cost you do it.'
Mechanism
The ego operates through automatism: stimulus → reaction. Conscious intervention in this chain (noticing the impulse + decision to act oppositely) reprograms the pattern. After 10-20 such interventions, the ego loses the power of automatic takeover.
The egotistical part says: 'Drive, drive, you'll be first'. When you drive on, the ego has taken possession of you. [...] but when you stop [...] you attach a tow rope and pull him across the finish line first, and yourself second [...] Notice how different attitudes appeared. Here, of course, the ego was present, but it was possessed. The self simply noticed.
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“You are to win, you are to be first. But remember at what cost you do it, when you control this ego, when you see it, perceive it.”— Clarifies that it's not about giving up success, but about the source from which the decision flows.
What's new
Personal practice updates, fresh positions, predictions
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The Four Addictive Factors of the Simulation (Power, Matter, Relationships, Knowledge)
Veto formulates his original concept of the four pillars of the reincarnation trap — power, matter, relationships, and knowledge — which act like a drug, addicting the self to subsequent incarnations on Earth.
Why this matters: Most spiritual narratives focus on desires and attachments generally; Veto provides a specific, exhaustive taxonomy and makes the controversial claim that knowledge — at a certain stage — is also a trap.
Background
Traditional spiritual paths often speak of cutting off desires as the path to liberation. Veto reverses this approach, claiming that one must first completely saturate oneself with each factor.
Veto argues that the Earth simulation is purposefully designed to addict the self through four pillars. Power gives illusory control and feeds the ego. Matter binds through consumption and accumulation of goods — he describes this using the example of an S-Class Mercedes, which from an object of desire becomes a source of enslavement requiring more and more time and money. Relationships are the strongest prison — Veto himself admits he struggles most with detaching from children. Knowledge acts as a trap at an advanced stage: it begins to generate informational noise and blur the picture instead of sharpening it.
The key insight is that you cannot skip any of these stages. A self that has not experienced power will return to it in subsequent incarnations. A self deprived of deep relationships will desire them. Therefore, exiting the cycle is not about denying desires, but about fully living them until the moment of surfeit — like with the view of the Bieszczady mountains, which Veto loves, but feels already saturated with.
Paradoxically, knowledge — which initially is necessary to ask fundamental questions — at a certain point becomes an obstacle. Veto describes how, during a psychedelic journey, answers began to precede questions, and the amount of incoming information exceeded the avatar's capacity to process it, creating noise. Only consciously stopping this wheel ('Stop!') opened the 'I am' state.
Personal experience
Veto says his weakest results are in the field of relationships — especially with children. He admits this is the only thing still holding him in this simulation. He had an honest conversation with his daughter, explaining that on a fundamental level he is not her father, but an independent self that chose this family as an experience.
We are human junkies addicted to this experience.
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“The first and strongest, which makes me in the deepest level of forgetfulness, is power. The second factor is matter. The third factor is addiction to relationships. And the fourth factor, which we rarely mention, mentioned by Far Eastern cultures, is knowledge.”— Precisely lists and hierarchizes the four pillars of addiction.
“at a certain stage, answers preceded my questions. [...] the amount of information reaching me was so powerful that my avatar [...] was unable to assimilate it and I noticed it was generating informational noise.”— Describes the moment when knowledge stops serving and starts hindering — a key nuance distinguishing this concept from the typical approach.
The 'I Am' State as Permanently Growing Bliss Without Entropy
Veto describes the mystical 'I am' state — achieved during a psychedelic journey — as eternally growing happiness that is not subject to entropy, unlike all experiences in the material simulation.
Why this matters: Contrasts with the common understanding of even the highest states (like orgasm), which have a curve of growth and decline. Veto claims the 'I am' state has only an upward trend.
Background
Most mystical descriptions speak of unity or peace as static states. Veto introduces a dynamic concept — permanent growth.
Veto distinguishes the 'I am' state from all other states available in the simulation. Every experience here — even the greatest euphoria, like orgasm or falling in love — is subject to entropy: it builds, peaks, and then inevitably declines. In the 'I am' state, this mechanism does not exist. It is not a moment of ecstasy that passes — it is a permanent growth curve. 'Stagnation does not exist. There is only eternally growing happiness.'
Importantly, Veto emphasizes that this state is incommunicable in words. The avatar is too perceptually and linguistically impoverished to describe it. It can only be experienced — and after experiencing it, only a clumsy attempt to approximate it with metaphors remains. The comparison to a tenfold orgasm is the 'poorest' approximation he is able to give.
Veto also indicates that entering this state required consciously stopping the 'wheel' — it was not an intellectual decision, but a voice saying 'Stop'. Only after stopping the drive of questions and answers did 'I am' occur.
Personal experience
Veto achieved this state during a legal psychedelic journey in the Netherlands. He describes that if someone had told him about it 4 years earlier, he absolutely wouldn't have believed it.
The moment I stopped powering this wheel, the state occurred: 'I am'. [...] Stagnation does not exist. There is only eternally growing happiness.
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“if I were to somehow describe it, I would describe it as a state of tenfold orgasm in the body”— The strongest metaphor available to him, while simultaneously admitting its imperfection.
“a classical person is unable to accept this. [...] I also wouldn't have accepted it if you had told me, say, more than 4 years ago.”— Highlights the gap between intellectual understanding and experience — even he himself wouldn't have believed it before living it.
Dualism as a Mechanism Making Objective Truth Impossible
Veto claims that dualism is the fundamental mechanism of the simulation — every thesis generates an antithesis, meaning objective truth does not exist, and all ideological and scientific conflicts are irresolvable.
Why this matters: This position has deep implications: it undermines the sense of all religious wars, scientific disputes, and the search for a final argument in anything.
Background
Philosophy has struggled with the problem of objective truth for centuries. Veto radicalizes this position: it's not that truth is hard to find — it doesn't exist in this simulation.
Veto demonstrates this principle live in conversation, proposing an experiment: he poses the thesis 'We only live once', then shows that for every thesis, an antithesis is immediately born, and for that another — and so on ad infinitum. There is no final argument to confirm or refute anything.
In science, it works identically: even a repeatedly confirmed experiment will find a scientist who questions its validity. Thanks to this, we never reach a final answer to any question. This is not a bug of the simulation — it's its feature.
The consequences are devastating for all conflicts: since objective truth does not exist, no religious war, no ideological dispute has any basis. The problem arises when a strong ego of an individual or a state apparatus decides they have enough power to impose their 'truth' by force — then armed conflict becomes real, even though its philosophical basis is illusory.
Personal experience
Veto describes that for a long time he tried to find a solution to dualism in Far Eastern philosophies, but didn't find it. Instead, he discovered that one can intellectually negate dualism, which opens the path to the concept of unity.
in this simulation, duality is the fundamental mechanism that [...] screws up the entire system of understanding what we are participating in.
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“For every thesis, an antithesis will be born. [...] there is no final argument to confirm or refute.”— The core of the argument — dualism as a generator of infinite debate without resolution.
“there is no objective truth. there will always be subjective truths. And behind these subjective truths based on a strong ego, conflicts arise.”— Shows the connection between dualism, ego, and the emergence of real conflicts in the material world.
Incarnation as a Mistake — Public Admission Enables Correction
Veto publicly states that entering this simulation was a mistake for him — and that only acknowledging this mistake opens the possibility of course correction and exiting the reincarnation cycle.
Why this matters: Most spiritual narratives speak of 'lessons' and 'soul development'; Veto calls it outright a mistake, which is a rare and controversial stance, especially expressed publicly.
Background
Dominant New Age and spiritual discourses speak of incarnation as a conscious choice of the soul for development. Veto presents an alternative, harsher vision: it was a mistake from which one must withdraw.
Veto uses a social analogy: if someone enters a stranger's house and doesn't say 'good morning', and no one ever pointed it out to them, they don't know they're committing a faux pas. Only when a mentor points out the mistake and they themselves acknowledge it, can they correct the behavior. It's the same with incarnation — until the self acknowledges that entering this simulation was a mistake, it cannot take real steps to exit it.
The ego is the main obstacle in this process — 'the ego is never wrong'. It doesn't allow admitting that something was done wrong. That's why publicly naming this mistake was a fundamental act for Veto: 'Only then can I make a correction.'
Veto emphasizes, however, that this is his personal conclusion, not a universal truth — each self has its own path and its own moment of eventual recognition.
Personal experience
Veto publicly said earlier that for him it was a mistake. He considers this act crucial for his own process of freeing himself from the simulation.
for me it was a mistake [...] only at the moment when I made such a decision, it was a mistake, only then can I make a correction.
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“the ego is never wrong. [...] The ego keeps us in check, so God forbid we accept that something was a mistake, because of course we know everything best.”— Explains the mechanism of resistance to acknowledging a mistake — the ego as guardian of the status quo.
The 90-Second Window After Death — The Moment of Reincarnation Decision
Veto (referencing Eckhart Tolle and Vedic philosophy) describes the hypothesis that right after the transformation called death, there is a short window — according to him about 90 seconds — in which the self makes the decision to return to the simulation or exit it.
Why this matters: This is a very specific, almost technical parameterization of a process most traditions describe vaguely. Providing a specific time window (90 seconds) is a bold speculation.
Background
Concepts of post-mortem choice appear in the Tibetan Book of the Dead, Vedic philosophy, and in Eckhart Tolle (chapter 7, 'the gate of the unmanifested'). Veto synthesizes them into one, concrete hypothesis.
According to Veto, the moment right after the avatar's death is crucial. The self, which was previously 'glued' to the avatar (as in OBE descriptions, where the soul detaches from the body before an accident), finds itself in a state where it has a short window to make a decision. If it hasn't worked through attachments — if it is still addicted to relationships, matter, power, or knowledge — its natural reflex will be to return.
Veto vividly describes this as a situation where 'they tear you away from the keyboard' and offer a new incarnation: 'Listen man, you will incarnate as your daughter's daughter.' If you are unprepared, if you still feel you must supervise your children or finish things, you immediately return.
The key is that a declaration made during life ('I'm not coming back') is worthless — the decision must be supported by actual saturation and detachment, because at the critical moment, the default addiction program will activate.
Personal experience
Veto admits that the 90-second timeframe he 'made up' — he has no proof for it, but it is his original speculation based on synthesizing various sources.
Right after the transformation [...] the gate of the unmanifested appears [...] This is precisely that moment, I think in the Gita [...] You have to make a decision, first the decision, and second the readiness to leave.
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“moment. and this moment lasts 90 seconds, because I made that up. It could just as well last 3 seconds or 15 or a minute and a half.”— Veto honestly admits this is speculation, which builds the credibility of his expert voice.
“You can make whatever decisions you want. [...] They won't help you in any way. A decision made here and now at this table, when everything is fine [...] is absolutely meaningless.”— Emphasizes that intellectual declarations are worthless without actually working through attachments.
Recommendations
Products, supplements, and tools mentioned in the episode
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The Power of Now (Eckhart Tolle)
Book
Veto repeatedly invokes Eckhart Tolle as his master of reduction and the source of the practice of entering the state between thoughts. He recommends chapter 7 ('the gate of the unmanifested') in the context of describing the moment after the transformation called death.
Veto not only recommends this book as reading — he integrates its practice into his daily life as the foundation of his own path. 'The Power of Now' is for him a manual of meaning reduction: instead of adding rituals and meanings (as some in his environment do), he reduces — enters the state between one thought and the next. Tolle's book teaches how to abide in the present without mental superstructure.
Veto also draws from Tolle the description of the post-mortem state — the chapter on the 'gate of the unmanifested' — which he connects with descriptions from the Bhagavad Gita, creating a synthesis of Eastern and Western thought on the moment of transformation. The recommendation thus has a dual character: practical (daily practice of presence) and metaphysical (a map of the process of dying and leaving the simulation).
vs alternatives
Veto contrasts Tolle with esoteric approaches based on rituals, bells, and communication with the body — he considers reduction more effective than adding further layers of meaning.
Personal experience
Veto describes the 60-second thoughtlessness practice as his personal success, directly inspired by Tolle's teachings.
the master of reduction for me is Eckhart Tolle, the power of now, that is, entering this state between one thought and the next, which hasn't appeared.
Veto invokes Vadim Zeland ('the rustle of morning stars') as the author of the concept of the inner voice devoid of words, which guides choices in life, and as one of the main teachers of materializing intentions in the simulation — alongside Murphy, Hill, and Godart.
Veto refers to Zeland twice. Once — in the context of the 'rustle of morning stars', the inner voice without words that should guide our lives. The second time — when asked about materializing the future and choosing variants of reality, he refers to Zeland (as well as Hill, Murphy, and Godart) as experts in manifestation techniques in the material simulation.
Interestingly, Veto distances himself from the role of a teacher of these techniques: 'if I tried now to imitate them and create techniques, it would only be [imperfect]' — he acknowledges that these authors have already done their work perfectly and there is no point in duplicating their effort. This shows his self-awareness: he is about the metaphysical map (what the simulation is, how to exit it), while Zeland and others are about the instruction manual (how to navigate within the simulation while we are in it).
vs alternatives
Veto clearly separates his role (map for exiting the simulation) from the role of Zeland and others (instructions for efficiently moving within the material simulation).
Zeland, the rustle of morning stars, this inner voice devoid of words, meaning this is the voice that should also guide us in our choices in life, direction.
Also said
“Hill, Zeland, Murphy, there are plenty of names. I don't even try to step into the shoes of these people who have done these lessons, have already shown how to materialize good material things in the simulation. Truly, they are perfectly phenomenal.”— Veto respectfully refers to other authorities in an area where he himself does not feel an expert.
Veto describes his mystical experience of the 'I am' state as the effect of a legal psychedelic journey in the Netherlands — not as something he achieved solely through meditation or spiritual practice.
Veto is honest about the source of his breakthrough experience: it was not a decade of meditation or ascetic practice, but a psychedelic journey in a legal context (Netherlands). This is an important detail because it shows his pragmatism and lack of need to mystify his own path — he doesn't pretend to be an enlightened master, just shares what actually worked.
During this journey, he experienced two key things: first, the 'I am' state — permanently growing bliss without entropy; second, the moment when answers began to precede questions, and knowledge transformed into informational noise, leading to the voice 'Stop' and entering the state of pure being.
Veto does not explicitly encourage imitation, but he also doesn't hide that this journey was the catalyst. By speaking about it openly, he normalizes the conversation about psychedelics as cognitive tools — which is still a rarity in Polish discourse.
vs alternatives
Veto does not oppose psychedelics to meditation — rather, he shows them as a catalyst that gave him direct insight, impossible to achieve through intellect alone in his case.
Personal experience
Veto: 'I will only say, legally, because I was in the Netherlands [...] I did not cross the line'. There were two journeys — in the first, the question 'Who asks? From what level do you come?' was posed; in the second, the 'I am' state occurred.
I will only say, legally, because I was in the Netherlands, so I did not cross [the line].
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“there were two journeys and in the first journey [...] 'who asks, from what level, son, do you come to me?'”— Suggests that even the first journey contained deep, archaic content — a question about the level from which the question is being asked.
Veto invokes the Bhagavad Gita as a source describing the moment right after death — the dialogue between Krishna and Arjuna, in which the mechanism of the decision to return or exit the cycle is explained.
Veto connects the Bhagavad Gita with Eckhart Tolle as two pillars of understanding the dying process: the Gita describes the moment of transition from the perspective of Eastern metaphysics, Tolle from a perspective more accessible to the Western mind. Both sources point to the same mechanism — a short window after transformation, in which the decision about the further fate of the self is made.
Importantly, Veto treats these texts as maps, not dogmas. He doesn't say 'you must believe this', but 'it is described there, check it for yourselves'. This is the approach of a researcher, not a believer.
in Vedic philosophy, this is also described. This is precisely that moment, I think in the Gita, if I remember correctly, there Krishna also explains to Arjuna what this moment right after the transition is about.
Lines worth pulling out — contrarian, specific, or perfectly phrased
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This is the paradox of this experience, that the things that are least important, you have to pay the most money for, and the things that are most valuable are free.
A concise, aphoristic punchline of the entire critique of material addiction — one of the strongest quotes of the conversation, opening it and setting the tone.
We are human junkies addicted to this experience.
A brutally honest diagnosis of the human condition in the simulation — without euphemisms, without spiritual sugar-coating.
in this simulation, duality is the fundamental mechanism that screws up the entire system of understanding what we are participating in.
A colloquial, blunt summary of the philosophical problem of dualism — a rarity in spiritual discourses, which usually avoid such language.
Death for the self does not exist at all. Just as the self was never born at all.
A paradoxical, profound formula — death is an illusion, because birth was also an illusion. One of the most concise formulations of Veto's metaphysics.
In the I am state, stagnation does not exist. There is only eternally growing happiness.
A description of the mystical state that breaks all earthly categories — even the greatest euphoria here has a decline curve; there, there is only growth.
Are you able to accept that this euphoria during orgasm can have only an upward trend?
A provocative question forcing an intellectual confrontation with the avatar's limitations — orgasm as a metaphor for the ceiling of experience in the simulation.
You have nothing more precious than time. [...] Every penny you pay to the so-called state treasury makes you enslaved.
A radical connection of metaphysics with everyday economics — time as the only non-renewable resource, systematically taken away by the system.
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