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Your Body is Burning Carbs, NOT Fat Cells (here’s how to tell)
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Your Body is Burning Carbs, NOT Fat Cells (here’s how to tell)

Thomas DeLauer
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TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

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TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

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Heavy breathing during everyday activities like climbing stairs signals a shift to carb burning, driven by the ventilatory threshold — a jump in breathing rate to blow off CO2 from lactate buffering.

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A 31-study meta-analysis found carbs do NOT improve mood or alertness; instead they often cause rebound hypoglycemia and a drop in energy, challenging the idea that eating carbs gives a boost.

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Even a brief stress spike (e.g., seeing a cop car) raises cortisol, immediately increasing glycogen use and gluconeogenesis, so chronic stress keeps you in carb-burning mode.

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Fat-burning states are marked by low muscle fatigue, the 'I could go forever' feeling, and improved mental clarity due to enhanced brain network stability.

Protocols

Concrete recipes — what, when, how much, and why

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Breath-Based Carb Burning Check

WhatNotice if you become out of breath during everyday activities (climbing stairs, walking fast). If breathing rate jumps disproportionately, you're burning carbs.
WhenAnytime during the day, especially when you suspect a shift in metabolism (e.g., after eating carbs, during stress, or at low exertion).
DoseNo fixed duration — a momentary self-check.
For whomAnyone interested in real-time feedback on substrate utilization.
WhyThe ventilatory threshold point (50-76% VO2 max) signals a switch to carb oxidation; heavy breathing reflects lactate buffering and CO2 production.
CaveatsOther factors (illness, respiratory conditions, deconditioning) can also cause breathlessness; use as one data point.

DeLauer explains that the crossover from fat to carb burning is dictated by the balance of energy demand and oxygen availability. When oxygen can't keep up, the body shifts to glycolysis, which produces lactic acid. The body buffers this acid with bicarbonate, generating CO2, which must be exhaled. This causes a sudden increase in breathing rate — the ventilatory threshold. Research in Frontiers of Psychology found that during maximal effort, the crossover occurs at ~76% VO2 max, but at submaximal effort it happens at just 50-58% VO2 max. So for many people, activities like climbing a flight of stairs or walking up a hill trigger this shift and heavy breathing. By tuning into this sensation, you can infer that you're burning carbs. DeLauer cautions that illness can also cause heavy breathing, but under normal health, it's a reliable marker. Long-term low-carb dieters might notice this even more acutely after eating carbs because their bodies are carbohydrate-intolerant and switch gears rapidly.

Mechanism

When glycolysis outpaces the mitochondria's ability to use oxygen, lactate accumulates. The body buffers lactate with bicarbonate (HCO3-), producing carbonic acid which dissociates into water and CO2. The rise in CO2 activates respiratory centers to increase ventilation, causing the telltale breathlessness.

If you're out of breath faster ... that's usually an indicator that you're not having sufficient aerobic metabolism.

Also said
“When you all of a sudden have this like major like jump in your breathing rate, that's your ventilary threshold. ... you have to have bicarbonate that comes in to neutralize some of the lactic acid, which means you're going to have a byproduct of CO2, which means you need to have more exhalation to get rid of the CO2.”— Details the physiological cascade that supports the outward sign.

Stress-to-Carb Proxy Awareness

WhatWhen you feel a stress spike (e.g., anxiety, anger, startle), recognize that your body is likely tapping into glycogen and increasing gluconeogenesis, thus burning carbs.
WhenDuring any acute stressor — work deadline, argument, sudden scare.
DoseAwareness in the moment.
For whomPeople struggling with fat loss despite a clean diet; useful for biofeedback.
WhyCortisol release at the onset of stress increases carbohydrate utilization and glycogen breakdown, overriding fat oxidation.
CaveatsShort-term stress can later lead to fat adaptation, but the acute phase is carb-dominant. This doesn't mean stress fat gain is immediate; it's about substrate shift.

DeLauer draws on research showing that the initial exercise response triggers a cortisol surge that immediately pulls from glycogen stores. He extends this to everyday stress: even the momentary fear of a police car siren can spike cortisol and flip the metabolic switch. Adrenaline and norepinephrine might promote fat oxidation over longer periods, but the acute stress window is carb-driven. Chronic stress compounds this by keeping glycogen use high and promoting gluconeogenesis from muscle tissue and glycerol, meaning you stay in a carb-burning, catabolic state. This protocol is about mental tagging: when you feel that stress, you can assume you're not burning fat at that moment. It's a tool to understand why someone under constant stress might stall in fat loss, even if diet is optimized.

Mechanism

Cortisol binds to glucocorticoid receptors, stimulating glycogen phosphorylase to convert glycogen to glucose, while also upregulating gluconeogenic enzymes (PEPCK, G6Pase) in the liver and kidneys, producing new glucose from amino acids and glycerol.

If you're chronically stressed, you are increasing your carbohydrate utilization, decreasing your fat utilization and also increasing gluconneogenesis from muscle tissue.

Also said
“They find that all of a sudden people are using carbohydrates for fuel and they're pulling from their glycogen stores, especially in those first few minutes as the initial stress response is there.”— The original study that undergirds the stress-carb connection.

Muscle Fatigue and Endurance Self-Assessment

WhatDuring low-intensity activity (walking, slow jogging), pay attention to muscle fatigue. If muscles feel strong with endurance and you feel you could go forever, you're burning fat. If they fatigue quickly, you're likely burning carbs.
WhenDuring Zone 1-2 exercise or daily movement.
DoseContinuous for the duration of the activity.
For whomEndurance athletes, keto dieters, anyone trying to gauge metabolic flexibility.
WhyFat adaptation increases oxidative enzymes and mitochondria in Type I fibers, reducing fatigue; carb reliance leads to faster glycogen depletion and lactate accumulation.
CaveatsBiomechanical issues can also cause fatigue; use in conjunction with breathing cues.

DeLauer explains that when fat utilization is high, the body upregulates oxidative enzymes and mitochondrial density, particularly in slow-twitch muscle fibers. This allows sustained energy output without heavy lactate buildup. He cites the feeling of being on 'cruise control' — where you could keep walking or jogging almost indefinitely. This is a hallmark of high fat oxidation. In contrast, when you're relying on carbs, glycogen stores deplete quickly and lactate accumulates, causing muscular fatigue. He gives the example of elite runners like Zach Bitter, who can sense the shift from fat to carbs. For the average person, this manifests as the point where a walk on flat ground feels sustainable forever, but a slight increase in pace makes you feel like you can't continue. That transition indicates carb entry.

Mechanism

Fat oxidation yields more ATP per molecule (106+ vs 36-38 for glucose) but requires more oxygen; Type I fibers with increased capillary and mitochondrial density can sustain this, delivering steady energy without rapid glycogen depletion or lactate spikes.

If you're just on cruise control and you're just able to run effortlessly. It's pretty obvious if you're experienced that you're using fats, but the moment you start tapping into carbs, you kind of know it.

Also said
“You kind of feel like you could walk forever. And you probably could walk for quite a long time until you like biomechanically or structurally break down. But if you were to increase that to a jog or a fast clip, you know you couldn't do that forever. So you know you're burning fat when you're in that state where you just feel like I could continue this forever.”— Provides a clear, relatable contrast for self-assessment.

Post-Meal Mental Clarity Check

WhatAfter eating, assess your mental sharpness. If your mind becomes foggy or sluggish, you've likely shifted to carb burning; if you remain clear and focused, you're likely still burning fat.
When30-90 minutes post-meal, especially after a high-carb meal.
DosePoint-in-time observation.
For whomKnowledge workers, students, anyone seeking cognitive optimization.
WhyCarb-induced insulin spikes can reduce brain network stability, while fat-burning states are associated with smoother inter-region communication and better cognition.
CaveatsOther factors (sleep, hydration, stress) influence cognition, so track patterns over time.

DeLauer ties mental clarity to network stability. In a fat-burning state, the brain's networks are calmer and communicate more efficiently, sharpening executive function and memory. A high-carb meal, however, often leads to a decline in that clarity — the classic post-lunch fog. He suggests using this as a subjective indicator: if you eat and feel a mental slump, you've probably pushed yourself out of fat oxidation. This doesn't demonize carbs, but it offers a biofeedback tool: when mental clarity is high, you can assume fat is your primary fuel.

Mechanism

Insulin surge from high-carb meals can alter neurotransmitter balance and blood flow, while a stable, ketone-based or fatty acid-based energy supply supports consistent cerebral metabolism without the peaks and troughs of glucose. Network stability reflects efficient long-range cortical connections.

You might notice that there's nothing wrong with carbohydrates, but a lot of times you can notice if you eat a high carb lunch or meal of some kind, you kind of lose a little bit of that function, right? You lose some of that mental clarity.

Also said
“A slow brain or a calm brain is actually a fast brain. ... the calmer and less erratic and high energy the brain is. Things are actually seamlessly moving from region to region allowing for better processing, better overall fluid intelligence, executive function, even memory and episodic memory.”— Explains why clarity indicates a metabolically stable, fat-burning mode.

What's new

Personal practice updates, fresh positions, predictions

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Carbohydrates do not improve mood or energy; meta-analysis shows placebo effect

Energy levels segment

A meta-analysis of 31 studies found that carbohydrates do not enhance mood or alertness compared to placebo, and instead lead to decreased energy and alertness due to rebound hypoglycemia.

Why this matters: It contradicts the widespread belief that eating carbs gives a quick energy or mood boost, suggesting the perceived benefit is largely placebo.

Background

Many people reach for sugary snacks for a pick-me-up, but this data indicates that any subjective lift is not from the carbohydrates themselves; the body's ATP generation is primarily demand-driven, not supply-driven.

DeLauer cites a meta-analysis from Neuroscience and Biobehavioral Reviews that aggregated 31 studies giving carbohydrates or placebo. There was no significant positive mood change attributable to carbohydrates. In fact, the studies showed decreased energy and decreased alertness after carb consumption. He explains this with 'rebound hypoglycemia' — a rapid insulin spike drops blood glucose below baseline, causing fatigue. Moreover, he argues that ATP production is not simply increased by dumping more glucose into the system; energy output is determined by cellular demand. If you just increase glucose availability without a matching activity demand, the body downregulates fat oxidation instead of creating extra energy. The only scenario where carb intake consistently provides sustained energy is during continuous high-volume consumption, like Tour de France athletes who eat constantly to fuel massive output. For the average person, eating carbs likely reduces fat burning without delivering extra usable energy. He acknowledges FGF-21 as a nuance but sets it aside.

There was actually no positive mood change with carbohydrates. Even though people say when they eat carbs they feel good. A lot of times they placebo themselves into that.

Also said
“As a matter of fact, there is actually decreased energy and decreased alertness. And this has to do with what's called a rebound hypoglycemia.”— Adds the specific mechanism and the counterintuitive direction of the effect.
“Most of the ATP generation is going to be demand driven. Like you're not just going to consume carbs and magically make more energy.”— Reinforces the physiological principle behind the null mood finding.

Acute stress immediately shifts metabolism to carb burning

Stress segment

Even a brief stressor—like worrying about a speeding ticket—raises cortisol and causes the body to tap into glycogen stores and increase gluconeogenesis, ensuring you are burning carbs, not fat.

Why this matters: It shows that psychological stress has a direct, rapid metabolic consequence that sabotages fat burning, which is rarely emphasized outside lab settings.

Background

While it's known that chronic stress affects body composition, DeLauer highlights the acute phase: the initial exercise response involves a cortisol-driven switch to carbs, and everyday stressors mimic that.

DeLauer references a study from 'Food Components to Enhance Performance' that examined the initial exercise response. At the start of exercise, a big cortisol release occurs, which immediately increases carbohydrate utilization and taps into glycogen stores. He extrapolates this to any acute stressor: the moment you feel an adrenaline and cortisol surge (e.g., seeing a police car and worrying about a ticket), your body pulls from glycogen and upregulates gluconeogenesis to ensure glucose availability. This means even non-physical stress pushes you out of fat oxidation. For those chronically stressed, this becomes a persistent state, where carb utilization stays high and fat utilization is suppressed. He also notes that while adrenaline and norepinephrine typically promote fat oxidation, the short-term stress response overrides that with glycogen use. Additionally, gluconeogenesis from both amino acids and the glycerol backbone of triglycerides increases, further elevating blood sugar during stress.

I always use the example of like, hey, you're driving down the street and you pass a cop car and you're wondering if you're going too fast ... Reality is is that is a quick stress response. cortisol is bumped up and there's a good chance that you are now tapping into your glycogen stores to handle said stressor.

Also said
“They find that all of a sudden people are using carbohydrates for fuel and they're pulling from their glycogen stores, especially in those first few minutes as the initial stress response is there.”— States the direct research finding that grounds the extrapolation to daily stress.
“If you're chronically stressed, you are increasing your carbohydrate utilization, decreasing your fat utilization and also increasing gluconneogenesis from muscle tissue in this rate.”— Emphasizes the chronic impact of sustained stress on substrate preference.

Fat-burning state enhances brain network stability and cognition

Fat burning indicators segment

When the body relies on fat rather than exogenous carbohydrates, the brain exhibits improved 'network stability,' meaning regions communicate more smoothly, leading to better executive function, memory, and fluid intelligence.

Why this matters: It provides a cognitive biomarker for fat adaptation beyond physical endurance, linking metabolic state directly to mental performance.

Background

Many people report mental clarity on low-carb or fasted states; DeLauer pins this to enhanced brain network stability, a concept from neuroscience that a calm brain is a fast brain.

DeLauer describes 'network stability' as the ability of different brain regions to communicate effectively. When the body isn't flooded with exogenous carbohydrates, the brain operates in a calmer, less erratic mode, which actually speeds up processing. He cites the saying 'a slow brain or a calm brain is actually a fast brain.' This state improves fluid intelligence, executive function, and even episodic memory. He contrasts it with the post-carb meal fog many experience, noting that mental clarity often drops after a high-carb lunch. This provides a subjective cue that one is in fat-burning mode: if you feel mentally sharp and your mind isn't sluggish, you're likely metabolizing more fat. This ties into the broader idea that fat oxidation supports sustained, low-stress energy supply to the brain, unlike the peaks and troughs from carb-driven glucose spikes.

When the body is in a state where it doesn't have exogenous carbohydrates coming in or it has an abundance of free fatty acids ... you have an increase in network stability which is where the regions of the brain are able to communicate more effectively with one another.

Also said
“There's an old saying kind of in the neurochemistry world ... that a slow brain or a calm brain is actually a fast brain. ... the calmer and less erratic and high energy the brain is. Things are actually seamlessly moving from region to region allowing for better processing, better overall fluid intelligence, executive function, even memory and episodic memory.”— Explains the practical cognitive benefits and the paradoxical relationship between calmness and processing speed.
“If you eat a high carb lunch or meal of some kind, you kind of lose a little bit of that function, right? You lose some of that mental clarity.”— Provides a simple real-world test for the listener to gauge their own state.
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The Lumen is a handheld device that measures exhaled CO2 to determine whether you are burning fat or carbs in real time. DeLauer recommends it as a 'metabolic coach in your pocket' to guide workout intensity and nutrition timing.

DisclosurePromoted with a discount code: lumen.me/delawer for 20% off. Likely affiliate relationship.

DeLauer explains the science: when you burn carbs, lactate buffering generates CO2, which is exhaled; fat oxidation produces less CO2 relative to oxygen consumed. By analyzing your breath, Lumen gives an immediatesubstrate utilization reading. He used it extensively during his keto journey and found it especially valuable because metabolic fluctuations are more pronounced on keto (e.g., stress instantly shifts to carb burning). For athletes, it helps decide whether to do high-intensity glycolytic work (if reading says carbs) or low-intensity aerobic work (if reading says fat). He considers it a robust application of decades-old respiratory exchange ratio science.

vs alternatives

Unlike subjective signs (breath, muscle fatigue), Lumen provides a direct, quantified respiratory quotient measurement, reducing guesswork.

Personal experience

DeLauer shares, 'When I was doing a ketogenic diet, I used to use it all the time because things fluctuate so much more when you're in keto. Like, if you get stressed, all of a sudden you're oxidizing carbs. It's really interesting to have as an athlete too because when I'm working out I want to know what state am I in or more importantly like if I ate something I want to know am I going to be burning carbs or am I going to be burning fat.'

Lumen is a device that you breathe into and it can actually measure your exhaled CO2. It helps give you an indicator of whether you are oxidizing fat or oxidizing carbs.

Also said
“It's based on very legit science. Measuring CO2 as a byproduct of sort of substrate utilization has been around for a very long time.”— Establishes the scientific credibility of the device.
“If I breathe into it and say hey you're using carbs right now that would be a great time to go do more glycolytic activity sprinting or lifting if I breathe into it I'm using more fat like hey maybe now's not the time to push the high intensity maybe now is the time to leverage more fat oxidation by going for a walk or going for a slow jog.”— Shows the actionable protocol integrated with the device.
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Notable quotes

Lines worth pulling out — contrarian, specific, or perfectly phrased

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If you're chronically stressed, you are increasing your carbohydrate utilization, decreasing your fat utilization and also increasing gluconneogenesis from muscle tissue in this rate.
Packs a multi-layered metabolic consequence of stress into one sentence, directly linking psychology to physiology.
Energy is going to be there regardless. Whether there's sugar, whether it's carbs, whether it's fats, whether it's protein, as long as energy availability is just where it should be. So, eating more carbs doesn't just give you more energy.
Challenges the common assumption that carbs are an immediate energy source, emphasizing demand-driven ATP production.
If you eat carbohydrates prior to a fat burning style workout, you're probably just going to burn through those carbohydrates more. You're not going to actually tap into fat storage as much.
A practical, blunt summary of nutrient timing's effect on substrate oxidation that cuts through nuance.

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