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The Healthiest, Tastiest Beef & Steaks (& How To Cook Them Perfectly)
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The Healthiest, Tastiest Beef & Steaks (& How To Cook Them Perfectly)

Ben Greenfield
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TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

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TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

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Piedmontese beef has extremely small muscle fibers and almost no external fat, making it so tender that steaks are best pulled at 95°F internal temperature — far lower than the typical 130°F for medium-rare.

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Italian seam butchery (separating individual muscles along natural seams) produces cuts like muscolo and oyster steak that deliver a consistent, tender bite, unlike cross-cut American methods.

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For lean Piedmontese cuts, cold smoke before searing to penetrate flavor without drying; for brisket, a 60-hour sous vide at 145°F (or lower) retains juiciness, then finish on the grill.

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Bone marrow from these cattle is abundant due to fine bones; try it raw like butter, or roasted canoe-style, as a substitute for butter on sourdough with raw honey and sea salt.

Protocols

Concrete recipes — what, when, how much, and why

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Cold smoke then sear for tomahawk ribeye

WhatCold smoke the tomahawk at 150–165°F for 1–2 hours, then sear on a hot grill or pan to finish.
WhenWhen preparing a large, bone-in ribeye (tomahawk) from Piedmontese beef.
DoseCold smoke at ~160°F for 1–2 hours, then sear to desired internal temp (likely 95°F).
For whomThose with a smoker (e.g., Traeger) who want maximum flavor on a thick cut.
WhySmoke penetrates lean meat but not fat; cold smoking infuses flavor without cooking the interior, and the lean Piedmontese meat takes smoke well. Searing afterward creates a crust.
CaveatsEnsure the smoker can maintain low temperatures. Do not cold smoke for too long or the meat may dry. Finish quickly to avoid overcooking.

Ben prefers this method for tomahawks because the long bone and thick cut benefit from layered flavor. He uses a Traeger on 'super smoke' setting at 160°F. Phil explained that smoke compounds are water-soluble and travel through lean tissue, not fat, so the lean Piedmontese beef is ideal for smoke absorption. After cold smoking, a quick sear locks in the crust. Ben noted he hadn't tried smoking Piedmontese beef before but expected it to be tender regardless; Phil confirmed it would still be tender but the smoke adds complexity.

Mechanism

Smoke particles dissolve in the meat's moisture and penetrate via the lean muscle fibers. Fat acts as a barrier. Low temperature prevents protein denaturation, keeping the interior rare while the surface absorbs smoke.

Personal experience

Ben: 'I kind of like the um not only the flavor and you know I don't even know because I haven't smoked a Pedmont beef before with with a normal cut of beef I usually get a lot more tenderness when I smoke. I don't know if this is just so tender anyways going it's going to be pretty tender. So something I I would recommend about this is that um doing an initial cold smoke on this absolutely I would recommend it.'

Smoke needs um the lean to penetrate. It doesn't penetrate through fat. doesn't penetrate through bone. It travels through the lean.

Also said
“set set your trigger to the lowest temperature. It'll do maybe 150 for maybe an hour or hour or two. Um, and that's going to help to penetrate into the meat and then go ahead and sear that thing off on on a grill or a hot pan.”— Phil's specific instructions.

Sous vide brisket (Piedmontese)

WhatSeal brisket in a bag and cook sous vide at 145°F (or lower) for 60 hours, then finish on a grill or smoker for bark.
WhenWhen cooking a whole Piedmontese brisket, which lacks the fat cap of conventional brisket.
Dose145°F for 60 hours (Ben's previous method; he now suggests even lower, e.g., 140°F).
For whomHome cooks who want tender brisket without the labor of overnight smoking.
WhyThe lean brisket dries out with traditional low-and-slow smoking; sous vide retains moisture while breaking down collagen over a long cook. Finishing on the grill adds flavor.
CaveatsRequires a large sous vide container and vacuum sealer. Purists may miss the deep smoke flavor, but a post-sous vide smoke can compensate. Monitor temperature carefully to avoid food safety issues at very low temps.

Ben, a fan of Texas barbecue, found traditional brisket too labor-intensive (all-night spritzing). He experimented with a 60-hour sous vide at 145°F, achieving a jiggly, consistently tender result. He finished it on the grill for caramelization. Phil strongly endorsed this method for Piedmontese brisket because it lacks the fat layer that protects conventional brisket during smoking. He noted the meat would cook faster and dry out if smoked traditionally. Ben suggested even lower temperatures based on what they learned about the breed's tenderness. The combination of sous vide and a final sear or smoke yields a juicy, flavorful brisket with minimal effort.

Mechanism

Collagen converts to gelatin at lower temperatures over extended time (e.g., 140°F for 48+ hours). The sealed environment prevents moisture loss. The lean meat doesn't need high heat to render fat, so low-and-slow sous vide is ideal.

Personal experience

Ben: 'I did a 60hour sousied brisket. And you know the sign of a good brisket is if you take it out and it's kind of like jiggling. And this was the most consistent tender brisket.'

I did a 60hour sousied brisket. And you know the sign of a good brisket is if you take it out and it's kind of like jiggling. And this was the most consistent tender brisket.

Also said
“I would really recommend you try the try the sousvid version. Yeah. I was thinking the exact same thing before you even said it because um, you're going to maintain all that great juiciness that's in there.”— Phil's endorsement.
“just be careful with it just because it doesn't have that fat layer on it. Yeah. Um, it's very, very honestly, this is probably going to cook faster than normal brisket.”— Warning about traditional smoking.

Carpaccio from eye of round

WhatSlice eye of round (gerello) very thin against the grain, arrange on a plate, and serve raw with olive oil, salt, and perhaps arugula or Parmesan.
WhenAs an elegant appetizer using the lean, cylindrical eye of round muscle.
DoseSlice paper-thin; one eye of round serves several people.
For whomThose who want to impress guests with a restaurant-quality dish.
WhyThe eye of round is a single muscle with a consistent shape, making perfect round slices. Piedmontese beef is tender enough to eat raw without pounding.
CaveatsSlice against the grain for tenderness. Use a very sharp knife. Only with high-quality, fresh beef.

Phil highlighted that in Italian butcher shops, the eye of round (gerello, meaning 'walker') was a go-to for carpaccio because of its uniform round shape. The meat is so tender that it doesn't need to be pounded. Ben was excited to try it, noting it would 'change your life.' The dry-aged crust is trimmed away, leaving a clean, flavorful surface. This preparation showcases the breed's texture and the dry-aging flavor.

Mechanism

The semitendinosus muscle is lean and fine-textured. Slicing thin against the grain shortens muscle fibers, making it easy to chew. Dry aging adds nutty, concentrated flavor.

Personal experience

Phil: 'this will change your life. This meat especially right here will change your life.'

Slice it thin against the grain. Go nice. Well, you know, I I forget if I fully filled my wife in about what we were. She's off playing tennis. Okay. But basically, I'm going to totally wow her...

Also said
“the Italian butcher shops this was a main go-to as well. Um because do that again. Just uh keep like near the key. Okay. When you're doing it and I can still flip it.”— Cultural context.

Braised short ribs (dino ribs)

WhatBrown the short ribs, then braise in a Dutch oven with aromatics (carrots, onions, bay leaves) and liquid (wine or stock) for several hours until tender.
WhenFor tougher, collagen-rich cuts like short ribs or dino ribs.
DoseBraise at 300–325°F for 3–4 hours, or until fork-tender.
For whomHome cooks with a Dutch oven or slow cooker.
WhySlow, moist heat converts collagen to gelatin, making the meat succulent. The large size of Piedmontese short ribs makes for impressive presentation.
CaveatsThese cuts have more connective tissue than steaks, so they need long cooking. Don't rush.

Phil noted that short ribs are typically braised, and the Monzo ribs are massive ('brontosaurus style'). He recommended browning them first, then adding aromatics and liquid. Ben suggested also using a smoker for a few hours before braising. The dino rib is an individual short rib, easier for single servings. Both methods work well with the breed's rich flavor.

Mechanism

Collagen breaks down into gelatin at temperatures above 160°F over time, lubricating the muscle fibers and creating a tender, moist texture.

you would basically would basically maybe brown that with a little bit of flour and then add your your aromatics and everything. Bay leaves, carrots, onions and just do like a long braze.

Also said
“Or or you do some kind of seasoning overnight and go to a smoker with this too. Oh, incredible.”— Ben's alternative method.

Roasted bone marrow (canoe style)

WhatRoast marrow bones cut lengthwise (canoe style) at high heat until the marrow is soft and bubbly. Serve with toast and a sprinkle of salt.
WhenAs a rich appetizer or side.
DoseRoast at 450°F for 15–20 minutes.
For whomAnyone who enjoys bone marrow; a classic preparation.
WhyThe canoe cut exposes more surface area, making it easier to scoop out the marrow. Piedmontese bones yield more marrow than conventional beef.
CaveatsDon't overcook or the marrow will liquefy and leak out. Use a spoon to scoop.

Phil explained that typical marrow bones are cut into little pipes, but Monzo cuts them lengthwise to maximize access. The fine bone structure of Piedmontese cattle means a higher marrow-to-bone ratio. Ben loves it as a butter substitute on sourdough with raw honey and sea salt. Roasting brings out a deeper flavor, but raw is also an option.

Mechanism

Heat melts the fat and collagen in the marrow, turning it spreadable. The canoe cut prevents the marrow from being trapped in a small cylinder.

Personal experience

Ben: 'you guys like as even just as a substitute for butter, like back to the sourdough bread thing, little bone marrow, like a little bit of raw honey and sea salt. And I mean that that's a meal.'

we're cutting them long ways. We call this canoe style. Y um that way you can really get access to that marrow inside.

Also said
“the Pedmont cattle, they have a very fine bone. So if this was traditional beef... you would not get this much marrow.”— Why this cut is special.

Recommendations

Products, supplements, and tools mentioned in the episode

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Traeger Grill (smoker)

Tool

Ben uses a Traeger for cold smoking tomahawk steaks at 160°F on the 'super smoke' setting.

Ben recommends the Traeger for its ability to hold low temperatures for cold smoking. He uses it to infuse smoke flavor into lean Piedmontese cuts before searing. Phil agreed that a smoker is excellent for adding flavor, especially when combined with a final sear.

vs alternatives

Compared to other smokers, the Traeger offers precise temperature control and a 'super smoke' mode for maximum smoke at low temps.

Personal experience

Ben: 'The Trager, I think it'll start off on a super smoke at 160. I think it's 160 165. Perfect.'

set set your trigger to the lowest temperature. It'll do maybe 150 for maybe an hour or hour or two.

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Maldon Sea Salt

Product

Phil recommends Maldon salt for tartare and general seasoning because of its coarse, flaky texture.

When describing how to prepare tartare, Phil specifically mentioned Maldon salt as his favorite. Its large crystals provide a pleasant crunch and dissolve slowly, enhancing the raw beef's flavor. Ben didn't comment on it but seemed to agree.

vs alternatives

Compared to fine table salt, Maldon's texture and purity make it ideal for finishing dishes.

Molden salt. I love molden salt. Um over the top.

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Ben Greenfield's Cookbook (implied)

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Ben mentioned he wrote a cookbook that includes his 60-hour sous vide brisket experiment. He offered to look up the exact temperature.

DisclosureBen references his own cookbook containing the sous vide brisket recipe.

While not explicitly named, Ben refers to 'one of my cookbooks' where he documented the brisket method. He used 145°F in that recipe but now suggests going lower for Piedmontese beef. The cookbook likely contains other meat-centric recipes and techniques.

vs alternatives

Compared to other cookbooks, it includes unconventional methods like long sous vide cooks tailored for lean meats.

Personal experience

Ben: 'I forget which one of my cookbooks it's in. Um, but I did this experiment where I, you know, I'm a huge fan of, you know, going to Texas...'

I'll have to dig back into my cookbook. I think I use 145 as as the temp for this.

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Notable quotes

Lines worth pulling out — contrarian, specific, or perfectly phrased

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I didn't believe Justin when he told me to pull I think he told me to pull it like 95 or something like that for a steak and normally I'd pull it like like in the 130s minimum for like a medium rare.
Captures the counterintuitive cooking advice that defines the episode.
Imagine the best salted butter you've ever eaten. Seriously, I never thought about doing I never thought about it.
Vivid description of raw bone marrow, a surprising delicacy.
Smoke needs um the lean to penetrate. It doesn't penetrate through fat. doesn't penetrate through bone. It travels through the lean.
Concise, scientific explanation of why cold smoking works on lean meat.
this beef was different. Um, yes. And I strongly believe it has a lot to do with what Justin's just Justin the rations that they're feeding them.
High praise from a meat scientist who ate beef in Italy, declaring Monzo's superior.
I did a 60hour sousied brisket. And you know the sign of a good brisket is if you take it out and it's kind of like jiggling.
Memorable description of the perfect brisket texture achieved through sous vide.

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