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Cold Plunges & Testosterone: What Nobody Tells You!
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Cold Plunges & Testosterone: What Nobody Tells You!

Ben Greenfield
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TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

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TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

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Thomas Seager reversed his elevated PSA from 7 to 1.1 and boosted his total testosterone from 700 to 1180 ng/dL naturally using a specific cold plunge protocol — before exercise, not after — and a ketogenic diet.

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Pre-cooling with an ice bath before a workout raises luteinizing hormone and testosterone in men, while women get an immediate testosterone boost from cold plunge without needing exercise, challenging the common belief that ice baths always blunt hormones.

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Cold plunge is the most potent stimulator of mitobiogenesis (new mitochondria formation) and brown fat recruitment, making it more effective than exercise or red light for improving metabolic and sexual health.

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Daily cold plungers risk depleting bone magnesium because cold exposure shunts magnesium from bones to fuel non-shivering thermogenesis — oral or transdermal magnesium supplementation is critical to prevent osteoporosis.

Protocols

Concrete recipes — what, when, how much, and why

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pre-workout cold plunge for testosterone (men)

WhatDo a cold plunge before exercise, not after, to boost luteinizing hormone and testosterone.
WhenImmediately before a workout; include a brief warm-up like biking or light movement after the plunge and before heavy lifts.
DoseWater temperature around 33°F (0.5°C) for 60–90 seconds (experienced); beginners: go in until you gasp and then stay until you shiver, then get out. Avoid exceeding 5 minutes.
For whomMen looking to naturally increase testosterone without TRT; not effective for men with atrophied testes from long-term TRT or on testosterone-suppressing medications.
WhyCold exposure before exercise increases LH, which signals the testes to produce testosterone. Post-exercise cold baths suppress testosterone by blunting the anabolic response.
CaveatsDo not start your workout with a complex biomechanical lift like a clean and jerk immediately after; do a light warm-up first. Overdoing duration (e.g., shivering for hours) can cause excessive stress and compensatory eating. Not a weight loss tool.

Thomas discovered this protocol after battling an elevated PSA of 7 and reading that cold exposure could reduce inflammation. He combined daily ice baths with a ketogenic diet. Four months later, his PSA dropped to 1.8 and his total testosterone rocketed from 700 to 1180 ng/dL. His urologist was convinced he was on TRT and sent him for LH testing; LH came back at 8.9 — extremely high — proving natural production. He replicated the results with his partner Jason, then wrote an article that Joe Rogan read to David Goggins in late 2022. Since then, Thomas has received hundreds of lab reports from men achieving similar gains. The mechanism involves mitochondrial biogenesis and brown fat activation, which improves overall metabolic health and testosterone synthesis in the testes. The key is that the cold must precede the workout; post-workout ice baths for DOMS reduction will suppress testosterone. Women don’t need the exercise component.

Mechanism

Cold exposure drives mitobiogenesis and brown fat recruitment, increasing mitochondrial density. More mitochondria means better cholesterol-to-pregnenolone conversion at the inner mitochondrial membrane, the first step in sex hormone synthesis. The pre-cooling specifically stimulates the hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axis, raising luteinizing hormone (LH), which directly signals Leydig cells in the testes to produce testosterone. This contrasts with post-exercise cold, which blunts the inflammatory and anabolic signaling required for muscle repair and hormone production.

Personal experience

Thomas’s personal lab results: total T 700→1180, PSA 7→1.1; Ben Greenfield does 33°F for 90 seconds pre-workout and reports feeling ‘on top of the world.’ Thomas also mentions that after starting this protocol, a woman he was dating asked him not to further elevate his T because ‘I can't keep up.’

When you plunge the man into the cold ... The man must get out. He must restore his circulation to his limbs. He must do some rewarming and then he will experience the testosterone boost.

Also said
“I just did it this morning. I posted to Instagram. I tagged you, Thomas. 33° minute and a half then headed into the gym.”— Ben’s real-time personal application of the protocol.
“With a few exceptions of men who have either been on TRT for a long time and their testes have atrophied or they're taking other medications that suppress testosterone. Everybody is getting a big boost.”— Specifies who may not respond.

cold plunge for women's testosterone and bonding

WhatWomen can cold plunge any time of day to get an immediate testosterone boost and enhanced bonding hormones; exercise is not required.
WhenAnytime; particularly effective as a couple’s activity to strengthen attachment via oxytocin and vasopressin.
DoseStart at a tolerable temperature (not necessarily 33°F); aim for 2–4 minutes, or until shivering. Beginners: gasp and shiver thresholds define the minimum effective dose. As adaptation occurs, lower temperature can be used.
For whomAll women, especially post-menopause (for mood, libido, bone density) and couples seeking relationship benefits.
WhyWomen’s testosterone comes mainly from non-ovarian tissues (fat, skin, adrenals), and cold stimulates those tissues directly. Additionally, cold triggers oxytocin and vasopressin release, promoting pair-bonding and reducing conflict.
CaveatsSome partners may feel uncomfortable if skin is too cold post-plunge; consider a short re-warming cuddle or towel wrap. Not a substitute for hormonal therapy if prescribed; consult a clinician. Pregnant women should consult their doctor, but Thomas shares positive case studies of cold plunging during pregnancy.

Thomas explains that unlike men, women’s testosterone-producing tissues outside the ovaries start working immediately upon cold immersion. This rapid increase in testosterone, dopamine, and oxytocin explains the giggling and affection he’s observed. In his book, he includes four case studies plus women’s experiences. He also notes that post-menopause, declining testosterone contributes to many menopausal symptoms, yet there are no FDA-approved female testosterone protocols. He advocates that clinicians could use cold plunge as a first-line intervention. For couples, the simultaneous release of oxytocin and vasopressin acts like a bonding accelerant, sometimes resolving arguments on the spot.

Mechanism

Cold activates brown adipose tissue and mitochondrial biogenesis across all tissues. In women, subcutaneous fat, skin, and adrenal glands are the primary sites of testosterone production (75% of total). Cold-stimulated mitochondria in these tissues ramp up cholesterol-to-pregnenolone conversion, synthesizing testosterone. Concurrently, cold triggers the dive reflex and sympathetic activation, which releases vasopressin (bonding) and oxytocin, enhancing emotional attachment and reducing animosity.

Personal experience

Thomas described a woman he was dating who went from arguing to making out after 2.5 minutes in the ice bath, caught on video. He also shared that his partner naturally becomes amorous during cold plunges together. Ben noted that he and his wife do sauna-cold plunge date nights, though he personally needs a little re-warming after the plunge.

Women don't need the exercise. They get an immediate testosterone boost. ... the when women get in all of these secondary testosterone producing organs, they kick into gear right away.

Also said
“It was because the neurotransmitters and hormones inside her body had erased all the animosity and resentment that was, you know, part of the argument we were having at the time.”— Highlights the psychological reset effect of the hormonal cocktail.
“The ice bath stimulates ... that feeling of affection and attachment is directed to the partner that you're doing with it.”— Explains the bonding mechanism.

cold plunge for metabolic health and insulin sensitivity

WhatUse a brief cold plunge before or after a high-carb meal/feast to blunt blood sugar spikes and rapidly increase ketones.
WhenBefore or after a big meal, date night, or holiday feast to improve glucose disposal and induce ketosis.
Dose2–4 minutes at 33–40°F (experienced); beginners: until shiver. Can be done same day as meal.
For whomAnyone seeking metabolic flexibility, managing insulin resistance, or wanting to mitigate the impact of occasional overeating.
WhyCold exposure clears glucose from the bloodstream, depletes glycogen, and releases free fatty acids from white fat that are converted to ketones by brown fat. This improves insulin sensitivity and lowers postprandial glucose excursions.
CaveatsOver-reliance on cold to compensate for chronic poor diet is not advised. Cold can increase appetite afterward, so be mindful of post-plunge caloric intake. Not a substitute for a healthy diet.

Thomas explains that when you get into cold, the liver releases glycogen, and white fat cells release free fatty acids to fuel brown fat thermogenesis, causing an immediate ketone spike. This is ideal for entering ketosis or improving metabolic flexibility. Ben shared his post-Thanksgiving pumpkin pie binge — he ate half a pie, had no ketones, then did a four-minute ice bath; a few hours later he was back in ketosis. Thomas added that a cold plunge is more effective at controlling post-meal blood sugar than a walk. However, he warns that excessive cold can stimulate appetite due to the body’s drive to replenish energy, so calorie-conscious individuals should log their intake to avoid undoing the benefits.

Mechanism

Cold immersion triggers sympathetic activation and catecholamine release, causing glycogenolysis and lipolysis. Free fatty acids are shuttled to brown adipose tissue mitochondria, where they are oxidized via uncoupled respiration, generating heat and producing ketone bodies as a byproduct. Simultaneously, glucose is rapidly cleared from the blood. This process improves insulin sensitivity and can reverse acute hyperglycemia.

Personal experience

Ben’s Thanksgiving pie anecdote: ate half a pie, peed on a ketone stick showing no ketones, then did a 4-minute ice bath; hours later, ketones reappeared. Thomas uses cold plunges before big meals or date nights to mitigate blood sugar spikes.

Cold plunge, it's like the secret weapon. Exactly. Right. when you were saying if you overdo it with the cold plunge, you are going to stimulate appetite ... What um also works is flip it around. If you find that you've overeaten ... cold plunge, go for a walk, and I won't experience the same blood sugar spike.

Also said
“I peed on a stick. I measured my ketones. I don't have any. And I said, I'm going to get in that ice bath. And it just like four minutes, you know, came out couple hours later, peed on a stick, ketones.”— Ben’s direct N=1 evidence of cold-induced ketosis after overeating.
“You will see those ketones spike when you get into the cold plunge and blood glucose goes out.”— Mechanistic observation of the immediate metabolic effect.

magnesium supplementation for cold plungers

WhatSupplement with oral magnesium daily and/or add magnesium sulfate (Epsom salt) to the cold plunge water to prevent bone magnesium depletion.
WhenOral magnesium in the evening before bed; Epsom salts can be added to the cold plunge bath, and do not shower off afterward.
DoseNot specified by Thomas for oral dose; follow standard supplement guidelines. For bath: use magnesium sulfate (Epsom salt) without chloride salts to avoid interaction with ozone sanitation.
For whomAnyone practicing regular cold plunges (3+ times per week).
WhyCold exposure leaches magnesium from bones into blood to fuel mitochondrial thermogenesis; daily plungers risk bone mineral loss and potentially osteoporosis if not replenished.
CaveatsAvoid magnesium chloride or other chloride salts if your cold plunge uses an ozone sanitation system, as chloride can react with ozone. Oral magnesium may cause loose stools in some forms; choose a form you tolerate. Pregnant women and those with kidney disease should consult a doctor.

Thomas notes that magnesium is a cofactor for hundreds of enzymatic reactions and is essential for mitochondrial ATP production. During cold exposure, blood studies show elevated magnesium, which he interprets as release from bone stores to reach brown fat and muscle for non-shivering thermogenesis. Over time, if not replenished, this can lead to bone density loss, consistent with epidemiological data linking chronic cold exposure to osteoporosis. He personally adds various sulfate salts to his Morozco ice bath (magnesium, potassium, copper, zinc sulfates) and doesn’t shower after, allowing transdermal absorption. He explicitly warns against chloride salts due to potential reactions with the ozone purifier. For oral supplementation, he says taking magnesium at night is fine.

Mechanism

Cold stress activates the sympathetic nervous system and stimulates bone resorption to mobilize magnesium into circulation. This magnesium is taken up by metabolically active tissues (brown fat, muscle) to sustain mitochondrial oxidative phosphorylation and heat production. Without adequate dietary or supplemental intake, bone reservoirs become depleted over months to years, contributing to osteopenia/osteoporosis.

Personal experience

Thomas puts magnesium sulfate, potassium sulfate, copper sulfate, and zinc sulfate in his home Morozco bath and doesn’t rinse off. Ben has Epsom salts at home but hasn’t added them yet; Thomas encourages him to do so.

If you are practicing cold plunge every day and you do not supplement with magnesium, you can deplete your bones of the magnesium because your body will preferentially reallocate it to the mitochondria.

Also said
“The funny thing about magnesium is almost none of it is stored in your blood. Only 1% of the total body burden of magnesium is in the blood. Most of it is in the bones.”— Explains why blood tests miss magnesium status and why bone stores are vulnerable.
“I put all kinds of Epsom salt into my Morasco and then I don't shower afterwards.”— Personal practice for transdermal magnesium absorption.

titrated cold exposure for Raynaud’s

WhatGradually acclimate to cold water in a supported environment to overcome Raynaud’s syndrome through stress inoculation.
WhenBegin with warmer water (not 33°F) and a coach or guide present; progress to lower temperatures over multiple sessions.
DoseStart at a temperature that causes only mild discomfort, stay until shiver, then exit. Increase intensity over 3+ sessions, eventually reaching full immersion with hands submerged. Thomas’s case reached 34°F by the third session.
For whomIndividuals with Raynaud’s phenomenon or extreme cold sensitivity, especially those who have been told by doctors to avoid cold.
WhyRaynaud’s has a psychological component: fear of cold amplifies vasoconstriction. Gradual exposure (like exposure therapy for phobias) retrains the autonomic response and resolves symptoms.
CaveatsAlways have a knowledgeable coach or supportive person present for safety and encouragement. Do not force immersion if pain is severe; the approach is incremental. Some people may have underlying autoimmune conditions that require medical evaluation.

Thomas describes Raynaud’s as a feedback loop between psychological fear and physiological vasoconstriction. He likens it to phobia treatment, where someone afraid of spiders first looks at pictures, then observes a terrarium, and eventually handles a spider. The woman he coached was petrified of cold due to painful Raynaud’s attacks, but her daughter with cerebral palsy loved the cold plunge. That emotional motivation gave her the courage to try. They started at warmer temperatures with breathing guidance. By the third session, she was fully submerged with hands in the water at 34°F with no symptoms. Thomas believes the medical advice to ‘stay warm’ reinforces the fear and prevents remission, whereas cold acclimation effectively cures it.

Mechanism

The vagus nerve and sympathetic nervous system are trained through repeated cold exposure to reduce excessive vasoconstriction. Habituation to cold rewires the limbic system, uncoupling the perception of cold from a pathological vasospastic response. Additionally, cold-induced mitochondrial biogenesis improves vascular endothelial function, enhancing local blood flow control.

Personal experience

Thomas personally witnessed the resolution in the woman he coached. He also notes that after two weeks of consistent cold plunging, his own hand and foot cold sensitivity disappeared.

To overcome it, you can titrate exposure to the cold in a safe environment where you're supported by a coach or a guide and gradually work your way down to colder temperatures.

Also said
“Next thing you know, she's at 34° fully, you know, immersed up to her neck, hands in the water, wrote no rays anywhere. And that was about her third ice bath.”— Real-world proof of concept with specific protocol details.
“Case studies agree with you. I have three case studies, one that I experienced directly and two that have been reported to me by others of women who have resolved the renose syndrome with cold plunge therapy.”— Indicates multiple successful outcomes.

cold plunge and sauna heat contrast therapy

WhatAlternate between sauna/hot environment and cold plunge to enhance vascular conditioning and possibly improve erectile function.
WhenAs a couple’s activity or solo health practice; typical cycles: 2–3 minutes cold, 10–15 minutes hot, repeated 2–3 rounds.
DoseCold plunge at 33°F for 2–3 minutes; sauna at 160–200°F for 10–15 minutes. For dates, Ben and his wife do cycles then head to the bedroom (though Ben notes longer warm-up may be needed).
For whomCouples looking to enhance intimacy; men with mild erectile dysfunction or insulin resistance; those seeking improved vascular health.
WhyThe hot-cold contrast stimulates strong vasodilation and vasoconstriction, improving endothelial function and mitochondrial health, which can combat erectile dysfunction (the first sign of insulin resistance).
CaveatsImmediately after cold plunge, vasoconstriction may temporarily reduce penile blood flow; some men report difficulty achieving erection until they rewarm slightly. Ben found it takes a bit longer for him to get an erection after plunging, though Thomas says he has no such issues. Pregnant women should avoid sauna but can cold plunge.

Thomas makes the case that erectile dysfunction is not a standalone issue but the first clinical marker of insulin resistance, driven by dysfunctional endothelial mitochondria that can’t produce enough ATP for nitric oxide synthesis. Cold plunge, by stimulating mitobiogenesis, restores mitochondrial function in endothelial cells, eventually improving erections. He asserts that in his experience, an ice bath is no barrier to an erection with the right partner. Ben candidly admits that his own physiology seems to require a bit of warming up before sex after a cold plunge, but his wife enjoys the contrast sessions as a prelude. Thomas emphasizes that cold is far more effective than red light for generating new mitochondria, though red light can stimulate existing ones.

Mechanism

Mitochondria in endothelial cells power the production of nitric oxide (NO) via ATP delivery. When mitochondria are defective due to insulin resistance, NO production falters, causing poor vasodilation and erectile dysfunction. Cold-induced mitobiogenesis repairs these mitochondria, restoring NO synthesis and penile blood flow. Contrast therapy further exercises vascular smooth muscle, improving responsiveness.

Personal experience

Ben and his wife do sauna-cold plunge date nights; he sometimes needs extra warm-up time. Thomas claims he has had erections during and immediately after cold plunges without difficulty, although a past girlfriend complained his skin felt too cold.

Erectile dysfunction is the first clinical marker of insulin resistance. ... What are you going to do about it? You get into the cold plunge. You stimulate the mitobiogenesis. Your mitochondria, your endothelial cells will take care of your penis.

Also said
“So you don't have any issues getting it up after a cold plunge? I don't have any issues getting it up during a cold plunge. Like there's just no issues.”— Thomas’s personal counterpoint to common worries.
“My wife and I have had dates where we'll do like sauna and cold plunge ... and I'll admit it takes longer than usual to to warm up.”— Ben’s honest personal experience differs, showing individual variability.

What's new

Personal practice updates, fresh positions, predictions

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pre-cooling testosterone boost

Cold plunging before exercise, not after, increases luteinizing hormone and testosterone in men. This contradicts the popular narrative that cold therapy after workouts blunts hormonal adaptations.

Why this matters: Mainstream fitness advice warns against ice baths post-exercise for hypertrophy, but Thomas’ data, Joe Rogan’s public reading, and hundreds of user lab reports now show a reverse protocol can significantly raise natural testosterone.

Background

Conventional wisdom, popularized by figures like Andrew Huberman, says cold exposure after training can interfere with muscle growth and possibly lower testosterone. Thomas discovered that reversing the sequence — cold before exercise — elicits a robust LH and testosterone surge.

Thomas stumbled on this effect after using ice baths and keto to tackle an elevated PSA (prostate-specific antigen). His total testosterone rose from 700 to 1180 ng/dL, with LH off the charts, which astounded his urologist. He then tested the protocol on his business partner Jason, who went from mid-500s to mid-900s. Joe Rogan read Thomas’s blog post to David Goggins in December 2022, and since then, men worldwide have sent in their lab reports showing significant testosterone increases. The few non-responders were men on long-term TRT with atrophied testes or on testosterone-suppressing medications. The key hypothesis: cold stimulates mitochondrial biogenesis and brown fat, and when combined with subsequent exercise, the hormonal cascade boosts testosterone synthesis via LH signaling to the testes.

Personal experience

Thomas shared his own lab journey: PSA dropped from 7 to 1.8 in four months, then to 1.1; total testosterone 700→1180 ng/dL naturally at age 52, with high LH confirming no TRT use. Ben reported doing a 33°F cold plunge for 90 seconds before his workout that morning, feeling “on top of the world.”

If a man does the ice bath before the exercise to precool, it will boost the luteinizing hormone and it will boost the testosterone.

Also said
“My total testosterone went from 700 to 1180 nanogs per deciliter and 1180 in a fat, you know, 52-year-old college professor. You weren't on TRT or anything? Nothing.”— Quantifies the magnitude of testosterone increase from the protocol.
“When Jason tried it and he got the same results, we thought, 'All right, we're really on to something.'”— Replication in a second person strengthens the claim.

women immediate testosterone boost

Women get a significant testosterone increase from cold plunge alone, without the need for exercise, primarily from non-ovarian tissues like fat, skin, and adrenals.

Why this matters: Most women fear testosterone will masculinize them, but Thomas argues it is critical for mood, bone density, and libido, especially post-menopause, and cold plunge offers a non-pharmacological way to restore it.

Background

Women produce about 75% of their testosterone in fat cells, skin, and adrenal glands, and only 25% from ovaries. After menopause, ovarian contribution dwindles, yet clinicians lack FDA-approved female testosterone protocols.

Thomas noticed that women who got into the ice bath would experience a rapid shift in mood — within 60–90 seconds they’d start smiling and giggling, and by two and a half minutes they’d become playfully affectionate (‘randy’). He attributes this to the immediate activation of secondary testosterone-producing tissues. The catharsis of cold water also releases oxytocin and vasopressin, creating bonding experiences between partners. He and a woman he was dating once entered an ice bath in the middle of a heated argument; after two minutes they were making out, and the videographer had to tell them to stop. Thomas speculates that the neurotransmitter and hormonal surge can erase resentment and foster attachment. He advocates that clinicians consider cold plunge therapy as a way to safely elevate testosterone in women before resorting to off-label male TRT medications.

Personal experience

Thomas described an experience with his partner where she became amorous after 2.5 minutes in the ice bath, and a separate photo shoot where he and a woman were arguing, then ended up making out in the cold plunge.

Women don't need the exercise. They get an immediate testosterone boost. ... The when women get in all of these secondary testosterone producing organs, they kick into gear right away.

Also said
“It turns out women also get a big boost in testosterone. Most women don't know how beneficial that is for them. They're afraid of becoming masculineized.”— Highlights the educational gap and misplaced fear.
“After two and a half minutes in the ice bath, we are making out and I don't know what's going on, but she's like kissing me and the videographer is like, 'Cut, you two get a room.'”— Anecdotal evidence of rapid hormone-mediated bonding.

cortisol myths

The notion that cold plunging causes adrenal fatigue or chronic hypercortisolism is false; short-term cortisol spikes are beneficial for low-cortisol individuals, and chronic practice blunts the cortisol response.

Why this matters: Fear-mongering social media accounts claim ice baths lead to adrenal exhaustion, but Thomas presents clinical trial data showing the opposite — habituation reduces cortisol reactivity, and acute spikes help conditions like PTSD.

Background

‘Adrenal fatigue’ is not a recognized medical diagnosis; it’s a term popularized online. Many people avoid cold exposure because they believe it chronically elevates cortisol, leading to burnout.

Thomas outlines three categories of cortisol research: 1) exogenous cortisol administration studies (irrelevant because endogenous cortisol behaves differently); 2) short-term single-bout studies showing an acute cortisol spike, which is actually helpful for people with PTSD who have chronically low cortisol and don't respond well to therapy — raising cortisol prior to therapy improves outcomes; and for those with high cortisol, research from Lithuanian Sports University shows no further spike; 3) longer-term acclimation studies reveal a blunted cortisol response after about two weeks of regular cold exposure. Thus, the cold plunge is a hormetic stressor that ultimately makes you more resilient. Thomas accuses social media influencers of inventing pseudo-medical terms for engagement, while he invites critics to ‘show me your lab reports.’

Personal experience

Thomas says he posts his own lab reports and cold plunge videos to demonstrate he practices what he preaches.

These sensational social media posts that make up terms that sound medical but are not, like adrenal fatigue, they give people a good excuse to not do what they don't want to do anyway.

Also said
“Those with high cortisol do not spike any further in a one-time study. Cortisol levels that are low coming up is good. Cortisol levels that are high are not going to go any higher.”— Directly counters the hypercortisol concern with research.
“In the clinical trials where they've taken people and acclimated to them to the cold over a period of two weeks, they notice a blunted cortisol response.”— Demonstrates long-term adaptation, debunking chronic elevation.

magnesium depletion risk

Regular cold plungers must supplement magnesium because cold exposure pulls magnesium from bones to fuel non-shivering thermogenesis, risking long-term bone loss if not replenished.

Why this matters: Most cold therapy advocates never discuss nutrient depletion. Thomas provides a mechanistic rationale and epidemiological link between chronic cold exposure and osteoporosis, making this a critical safety consideration.

Background

Magnesium is stored mostly in bones, not blood. Cold exposure elevates serum magnesium as it’s released to support mitochondrial activity in brown fat and muscle, but the body does not replete bone stores automatically — magnesium is eventually excreted.

Thomas explains that only 1% of total body magnesium is in the blood; most is in bones and muscles. During cold exposure, increased blood magnesium is observed, likely because it’s mobilized from bones to support non-shivering thermogenesis in brown fat and muscle mitochondria. Over time, if you practice daily cold plunging without supplementing, you could deplete bone magnesium, potentially leading to osteoporosis. He cites epidemiological data showing higher rates of bone abnormalities in populations with long-term chronic cold exposure. He recommends oral magnesium supplementation, e.g., taking it at night. He personally also adds Epsom salts (magnesium sulfate) to his Morozco ice bath and doesn’t shower afterwards, allowing transdermal absorption, but cautions against chloride salts because they interact with ozone sanitation systems.

Personal experience

Thomas puts magnesium sulfate (Epsom salt), potassium sulfate, copper sulfate, and zinc sulfate into his Morozco ice bath and avoids showering post-plunge to maximize absorption. He notes his machine handles sulfate salts fine without filtration issues.

If you are practicing cold plunge every day and you do not supplement with magnesium, you can deplete your bones of the magnesium because your body will preferentially reallocate it to the mitochondria.

Also said
“This explains the epidemiological data from people who have long-term chronic cold exposure and then find that that's associated with osteoporosis or other bone abnormalities.”— Provides real-world consequence and supporting evidence.
“You could probably just like take your magnesium in the evening before bed as you normally do.”— Practical implementation advice.

raynaud's cure via exposure

Raynaud’s syndrome can be resolved through titrated cold exposure, contrary to medical advice to stay warm. The condition has a psychological feedback loop that cold acclimation can break.

Why this matters: Physicians typically tell Raynaud’s patients to avoid cold, yet Thomas’s case studies show complete resolution with gradual cold plunge therapy, leveraging stress inoculation principles.

Background

Raynaud’s causes painful vasoconstriction in fingers and toes even at mild temperatures. It’s often considered a purely physiological disorder, but Thomas sees it as a phobia-like feedback loop between psychology and physiology.

Thomas describes Raynaud’s as not just a vascular phenomenon but a conditioned response akin to a phobia. He uses stress exposure therapy (stress inoculation) principles: gradually expose the person to cold in a safe, supported environment until acclimation occurs. He worked with a woman who suffered severe Raynaud’s attacks and was terrified of cold water. Her 9-year-old daughter, who has cerebral palsy and limited sensation, enthusiastically ice bathed and asked her mom to join. That psychological motivation pushed the woman to start at warmer temperatures with breathing guidance. By her third session, she was fully immersed at 34°F with hands in the water — no Raynaud’s symptoms at all. Thomas emphasizes having a supportive coach and a psychological reason (like doing it for her daughter) to overcome the initial fear, which breaks the cycle.

Personal experience

Thomas directly facilitated the woman’s exposure progression and witnessed her complete resolution of symptoms. He also noted that his own hands stopped getting cold after about two weeks of consistent plunging.

Some people will experience an extreme vasoc constriction response even if it's only like 60° out. To overcome it, you can titrate exposure to the cold in a safe environment where you're supported by a coach or a guide and gradually work your way down to colder temperatures.

Also said
“Next thing you know, she's at 34° fully, you know, immersed up to her neck, hands in the water, wrote no rays anywhere. And that was about her third ice bath.”— Shows rapid resolution with gradual exposure.
“Most people get advice from their doctors that says, 'Oh, you should stay warm. You should keep the thermostat higher.'”— Highlights the dissonance between conventional advice and this successful approach.

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Magnesium (oral supplement & Epsom salts)

Supplement

Thomas states magnesium is critical for anyone doing regular cold plunges to avoid bone depletion. He uses oral magnesium at night and adds Epsom salts (magnesium sulfate) to his ice bath.

Magnesium is a necessary cofactor for mitochondrial ATP production and is released from bones during cold exposure. To prevent long-term bone loss, supplementation is essential. Thomas suggests taking it at night and adding sulfate salts to the bath. He warns against chloride salts in ozone-treated tubs. He did not specify a brand.

vs alternatives

Transdermal magnesium via bath allows direct absorption while bypassing the GI tract (avoiding potential laxative effects of oral forms), but oral supplementation is convenient and effective for systemic repletion.

Personal experience

Thomas uses magnesium sulfate in his bath and takes it orally at night. Ben has Epsom salts ready to add to his Morozco.

If you are practicing cold plunge every day and you do not supplement with magnesium, you can deplete your bones of the magnesium.

Also said
“I put all kinds of Epsom salt into my Morasco and then I don't shower afterwards.”— Personal protocol for transdermal absorption.
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Cold plunge as a couple’s bonding ritual

Practice

Thomas and Ben both advocate doing cold plunge with a romantic partner to spike oxytocin, vasopressin, and testosterone, fostering affection and resolving conflicts.

Thomas described spontaneously making out with a woman after 2.5 minutes in the ice bath despite being in an argument moments before. The hormonal cocktail — testosterone (lust), dopamine, oxytocin (attachment), and vasopressin (bonding) — reprograms the emotional state and directs affection to the person sharing the experience. Ben and his wife have regular sauna-cold plunge date nights that they follow with intimacy (though Ben notes needing a bit of post-plunge warm-up). Thomas also shared that a girlfriend complained only about his cold skin, not about his performance, indicating that skin temperature is a minor barrier that can be overcome.

vs alternatives

Compared to a glass of wine, which may lower inhibitions but doesn’t actively create bonding hormones, cold plunge triggers a neurochemical cascade that specifically enhances pair-bonding and sexual desire.

Personal experience

Ben and his wife do contrast therapy as a date night prelude. Thomas shared multiple personal stories of cold plunge-induced reconciliation and amorous behavior.

The ice bath stimulates are directed sort of that that feeling of affection and attachment is directed to the partner that you're doing with it.

Also said
“We fell back in love. And it was because the neurotransmitters and hormones inside her body had erased all the animosity and resentment.”— Powerful anecdote of cold plunge resolving an argument.
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Uncommon Testosterone: Cold Plunge Therapy for Optimizing Sexual Health

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The book compiles Thomas’s research, case studies, and protocols linking cold exposure to testosterone and sexual health, including 250 scientific citations.

DisclosureThomas Seager is the author of the book.

Thomas wrote this book after his personal experience with PSA and testosterone improvement, and after his article went viral via Joe Rogan. He aimed to provide a mechanistic understanding that most testosterone research lacks. The book covers protocols for men and women, cortisol, magnesium, fertility, Raynaud’s, and more. Ben read the entire book and marked it up with notes and criticisms, confirming it’s dense and evidence-based.

vs alternatives

Unlike many popular books on cold exposure that focus on mental resilience or weight loss, this book targets sexual health and testosterone optimization with a deep mechanistic and clinical perspective.

Personal experience

Ben read the book thoroughly and even wrote marginal notes. He highly recommends it. Thomas notes that Ben is quoted in the book as saying, ‘Cold plunge is Viagra for the whole body.’

This book is great. Uncommon testosterone: Cold Plunch Therapy for Optimizing Sexual Health.

Also said
“There’s like 250 scientific citations in the uncommon testosterone book and several of them relate to oxytocin levels in response to cold plunge therapy.”— Demonstrates the book’s scientific rigor.
“I had you in mind, you know, and I'm in it. ... Cold plunge is Viagra for the whole body. I've listed that quote and it said Ben Greenfield is right.”— Personal connection between author and host.
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Morozco Forge Ice Bath

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A self-refrigerating ice bath capable of forming solid ice; designed for home use. Ben’s early review in his Boundless book catalyzed widespread interest.

DisclosureBen Greenfield says he has a discount code that saves $350. Thomas Seager is the founder/manufacturer. Ben was an early affiliate and helped popularize the product.

Thomas, an engineer, and his partner Jason built the first prototype after getting tired of buying bags of ice in Phoenix heat. They started selling on Etsy, and Ben found them early, wrote about the Morozco in his book, and became a key affiliate. The machine uses a refrigeration system that can cool water below freezing, forming thick ice. Thomas notes that Ben froze his first unit solid in Spokane and had to wait for a thaw to get in. The product now has a large user base, and Thomas continues to innovate with sulfate salt additions that don’t harm the ozone sanitation. Ben provides a discount code at bengreenfieldlife.com.

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The Morozco Forge is positioned as the 'Cadillac of cold tubs' — unlike chest freezers or simple plastic tubs, it actively refrigerates and can freeze the water solid, requiring no ice runs. It maintains precise temperatures even in hot climates like Phoenix.

Personal experience

Ben owns a Morozco Forge and uses it regularly (33°F, 90 sec pre-workout). Thomas uses his daily and adds various sulfate salts. Ben’s viral post with icicles poking his ribs dramatically increased search interest for cold plunges.

There's an ice bath that makes ice? It catalyzed. ... when you posted from your Morasco and people realized that they could have a machine in their backyard, it changed everything.

Also said
“I remember you put it outside and you froze it solid like first thing. It's 18 solid inches of ice.”— Illustrates the extreme cooling capability.
“We started taking apart freezers and refrigerators and putting them back together and stuff, and we built one.”— Shows the DIY, engineered origin of the product.
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Notable quotes

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If a man does the ice bath before the exercise to precool, it will boost the luteinizing hormone and it will boost the testosterone.
Core protocol reversal that challenges mainstream recovery dogma.
Erectile dysfunction is the first clinical marker of insulin resistance. ... You get into the cold plunge. You stimulate the mitobiogenesis. Your mitochondria, your endothelial cells will take care of your penis.
Frames ED as a metabolic issue solvable by cold-induced mitochondrial repair.
These sensational social media posts that make up terms that sound medical but are not, like adrenal fatigue, they give people a good excuse to not do what they don't want to do anyway.
Blunt takedown of cortisol fear-mongering.
The best way to stimulate what's called mitobiogenesis or the formation of new mitochondria is cold plunge. It's better than exercise. It's better than clean diet. It's better than the red light.
Bold ranking of cold plunge as the top mitochondrial stimulus.
Cold enough to gasp, long enough to shiver. If you're just starting out a cold practice and you feel that gas reflex, temperature is fine. You stay in there. Doesn't matter a minute, 5 minutes, and you feel the shiver, then you know you've activated that brown fat.
Simple, non-prescriptive guideline for effective cold dose.
Show me your lab reports. Like I posted mine and when I do a video and I'm up to my neck in chunks of ice talking about the benefits of cold plunge, you don't have to worry that I'm not eating my own cooking.
Challenge to critics to provide data, while demonstrating personal integrity and consistency.

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