Red light therapy for mitochondrial support
Red light therapy is nice because it... helps bolster the mitochondria a little bit. It's not going to fix the DNA damage, but it helps them run a little better.

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Tom, CEO of Mitrix, argues that mitochondrial DNA damage—not just membrane dysfunction or poor turnover—is the root cause of aging, and that current interventions like mitophagy are like 'putting a new coat of paint on a car when the engine is bad.'
Mitrix grows young mitochondria from a person's banked stem cells in bioreactors, then transplants them back via IV, injection, or inhalation; early safety trials in two elderly humans showed no adverse effects, and old mice given 12% of their body's mitochondria in injections were 'climbing the walls' the next day.
The 'mitochondrial cycle of the body' theory proposes that mitochondria are intelligently rationed and shuttled around the body—platelets double their mitochondrial load during infection to fuel immune cells, and brain neurons receive fresh mitochondria from astrocytes—but chronic stress causes sloppy replication, prematurely aging mitochondria.
Mitrix is developing a urine-based 'mito clock' test that directly counts mitochondrial DNA deletions, which Tom claims is more accurate than enzyme-based tests like MiC Screen or Chris Masterjohn's test, though it's not yet publicly available.
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Red light therapy is nice because it... helps bolster the mitochondria a little bit. It's not going to fix the DNA damage, but it helps them run a little better.
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Mitrix completed safety trials in two elderly humans with no adverse effects, and in old mice, injections totaling 12% of their body's mitochondria caused them to become hyperactive and 'climbing the walls' the next day.
Why this matters: These are the first whole-body mitochondrial transplantation safety data in humans, and the mouse results provide striking anecdotal evidence of functional rejuvenation.
Mitochondrial transplantation has been used in limited clinical settings (e.g., neonatal heart surgery, wound healing) for about 10 years, but whole-body transplantation for aging is new.
Tom explains that they conducted four safety trials on two elderly individuals about a month and a half before the interview. The goal was purely safety, not efficacy, so they did not measure rejuvenation outcomes. He emphasizes that the dose was low and not intended to produce noticeable effects. In mice, they performed a series of 10–12 injections, each delivering up to 1% of the mouse's total mitochondria, for a cumulative upgrade of about 12%. The mice were old, and the day after injections, technicians reported they were 'climbing the walls' and no longer looked old. Tom notes that these results align with the theory but cautions that everything discussed is still a theory and not universally accepted.
These are old old mice that we did these injections on and the day after we gave them these injections, they were climbing the walls. I mean, literally.
Mitrix developed an internal test that counts mitochondrial DNA deletions in urine samples, which Tom claims is more accurate than enzyme-based tests because it directly assesses DNA integrity.
Why this matters: It offers a non-invasive way to measure mitochondrial aging, potentially overcoming the tissue-source variability problem of other tests.
Existing tests like MiC Screen and Chris Masterjohn's test measure enzymes related to mitochondrial function, which can be influenced by transient factors like sleep. Tom argues that directly counting DNA deletions provides a more stable and accurate measure of biological age at the mitochondrial level.
Tom explains that mitochondria shed from the bladder into urine are reliably bad, so a urine sample provides a consistent baseline of damaged mitochondria for elderly people. By sequencing the mitochondrial DNA from these samples and counting deletions, they can directly assess the extent of aging-related damage. The test is not yet publicly available because it's currently done manually and is very expensive. Tom advocates for eventually testing everyone in the US to uncover hidden mitochondrial damage. He acknowledges that other tests are good but not 100% accurate because mitochondrial quality varies by tissue source, and interpreting results requires understanding the mitochondrial cycle of the body.
We look directly at the DNA itself, the mitochondrial DNA and we count the number of deletions... we use urine... If you get mitochondria that have come off of the bladder and gone into the urine, they're reliably bad.
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Tom mentions red light therapy as a way to give mitochondria a small boost, though it doesn't fix DNA damage.
Red light therapy is nice because it... helps bolster the mitochondria a little bit. It's not going to fix the DNA damage, but it helps them run a little better.
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Mitochondria are about 10% of our body by weight, which most people don't realize. ... If they were to shut down tomorrow, you literally would collapse into a little pile of goo on the sidewalk.
If the mitochondrial DNA is fundamentally broken or mutated... it's like saying, 'Oh, I've got this bad hard disk that I've got from an old computer. I'm going to make a complete copy of it.' Well, that doesn't do you any good.
Mitochondria are slippery little bastards. They go everywhere... they have the master key to the whole body.
These are old old mice that we did these injections on and the day after we gave them these injections, they were climbing the walls. I mean, literally.
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