Dr. Elizabeth Comen traces the roots of medical gaslighting to 19th-century figures like William Osler, who dismissed women's chest pain as 'neurotic angina' and declared 'these women do not die'—a legacy that still causes women's heart attacks to be misdiagnosed as anxiety today.
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She shares the story of a dying patient who apologized for sweating on her, revealing how deeply women have internalized shame about their bodies, and how this shame pervades every doctor's visit regardless of wealth or status.
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Comen highlights that 80% of autoimmune diseases affect women, yet the field is not treated as a women's health issue and remains drastically underfunded, mirroring the neglect of menopause research (less than 0.03% of NIH funding).
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She advocates for strength training to combat frailty, calls for mandatory sex-specific education across all medical specialties, and urges oncologists to address sexual health—citing her own patient Anne, who at 80 confronted her about vaginal dryness ruining her sex life.
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recognize-atypical-heart-attack-symptoms
WhatIf you feel unwell and something feels off—such as indigestion, fatigue, jaw pain, left arm pain—call your doctor or seek emergency care; do not dismiss it as anxiety.
WhenWhenever you experience unusual symptoms, especially if you have risk factors like a history of preeclampsia.
For whomAll women, particularly those with a history of pregnancy complications like preeclampsia.
WhyWomen's heart attacks are often misdiagnosed as panic attacks because their symptoms differ from the classic 'elephant on the chest' presentation, leading to higher mortality.
CaveatsNot all unusual symptoms are heart attacks, but women are twice as likely to call an ambulance for their husband than for themselves, so err on the side of caution.
Comen explains the historical dismissal of women's chest pain as 'neurotic angina' by William Osler, a founding figure in cardiology, who wrote that 'these women do not die.' This legacy persists today: women are more likely to have their heart attack missed, less likely to get an EKG, and more likely to die within the first year. She urges women to trust their bodies and advocate for themselves, noting that the default diagnosis of 'panic attack' is a modern echo of hysteria. She also highlights that risk factors like preeclampsia are not routinely communicated as cardiovascular red flags.
Mechanism
Women can have microvascular disease and smaller vessel blockages that don't always cause crushing chest pain; symptoms may be more subtle and include jaw pain, fatigue, or indigestion.
If you don't feel well and something feels off and you know your body, you must call your doctor.
Also said
“Women are twice as likely to call an ambulance on their husband having a heart attack than they are to call for themselves.”— Illustrates the dangerous tendency to prioritize others over self.
“They are far more likely to be misdiagnosed, to not even have an EKG done, to have their heart attack missed and to die within their first year of having a heart attack.”— Quantifies the deadly consequences of diagnostic bias.
discuss-sexual-health-with-cancer-patients
WhatAsk every cancer patient about sexual side effects, intimacy, and vaginal dryness; offer solutions like vaginal estrogen, lubricants, or referrals to sexual health specialists.
WhenAt every visit, especially when starting treatments that affect hormones or cause menopause.
For whomAll oncology patients, regardless of age.
WhyWomen's sexual health is systematically ignored in oncology, while men are routinely counseled about erectile dysfunction; addressing it improves quality of life.
CaveatsVaginal estrogen is safe even in breast cancer patients because it is not systemically absorbed; for systemic hormone therapy, discuss risks and benefits individually.
Comen shares the story of Anne, an 80-year-old patient who confronted her about vaginal dryness ruining her sex life with her vibrator. She admits she had subconsciously dismissed the importance of sex for an older woman. She now advocates for asking patients what brings them joy and how treatment affects that. She notes that NYU has resources for sexual health, and that the field must move beyond the 'you're alive' mentality. She also points out the historical roots: women's sexuality has been pathologized and controlled, and this legacy makes it difficult for both patients and doctors to discuss sexual function openly.
Mechanism
Cancer treatments like aromatase inhibitors or ovarian suppression cause vaginal atrophy, dryness, and pain due to estrogen depletion; local estrogen restores tissue health without significant systemic absorption.
Personal experience
I put her on an aromatase inhibitor... I didn't talk to her about decreased libido and pain during sex... I just subconsciously was like, well, she's like in her 80s, what does it matter?
We are two times more likely to ask men about sexual side effects from a cancer-targeted therapy than we are women.
Also said
“My vagina feels like a sandpaper. Why didn't you tell me this could happen? You didn't address these needs in mine.”— The patient's direct feedback that changed Comen's practice.
“We have to ask them, 'What brings you joy, and how is this affecting your ability to access that?'”— Her new patient-centered approach to quality of life.
strength-train-to-prevent-frailty
WhatIncorporate heavy strength training, such as kettlebells and pull-up work, into your exercise routine to build muscle and bone density.
WhenRegularly, as part of a fitness regimen, especially as you age.
For whomAll women, particularly those in midlife and beyond.
WhyTo combat sarcopenia, osteoporosis, and the epidemic of frailty in older women, and to challenge the historical fear of women getting 'bulky.'
CaveatsLearn proper form to avoid injury; she herself had a back injury that shifted her from running to strength training.
Comen discusses the history of 'bicycle face' and the medical establishment's warnings that exercise would make women unattractive or damage their uterus. She contrasts that with the current need to prevent frailty. She mentions her friend, a physical trainer, who was criticized behind her back for getting 'too bulky,' and how she now tries to keep up with her. She advocates for lifting heavy as a health imperative, noting that even in medical training, there was no education on exercise for women beyond 'work out more, eat less.' She sees strength training as a key tool for longevity and independence.
Mechanism
Resistance training stimulates muscle protein synthesis, increases bone density, and improves metabolic health, counteracting the muscle and bone loss that accelerates after menopause.
Personal experience
I had this back injury and I used to be like a crazy runner. And now I do kettlebells and I strength train and I'm working on my pull-ups.
I've definitely drank the Kool-Aid. You can tell Vonda Wright, I'm in on it. I'm lifting heavy.
Also said
“I'm working on my pull-ups.”— Shows her specific, measurable strength goal.
“I don't need hormonal therapy now, but you know, if I need it, I'll explore it.”— Indicates she is proactive about her own menopause transition and open to evidence-based options.
stop-apologizing-and-build-community
WhatStop apologizing for your body in medical settings; find a supportive community and set boundaries without waiting for menopause.
WhenNow, at any age.
For whomAll women.
WhyWomen have absorbed tremendous shame about their bodies, which leads them to apologize even on their deathbeds; breaking this pattern empowers them to advocate for their health.
Comen tells the story of Ellen, a dying patient who apologized for sweating on her, and notes that almost all women apologize for something when disrobed—unshaved legs, smells, unpainted toenails. She connects this to cultural shame and the history of medicine controlling women's bodies. She encourages women to find their people and stop apologizing, and notes that the younger generation doesn't have to wait until menopause to set boundaries. She herself still folds her underwear neatly at the doctor's office, showing how ingrained this behavior is.
Personal experience
She shares that she still folds her underwear neatly at the doctor's office, and that she was trained to create distance from patients, but now believes in human connection.
I guarantee you almost all women in a doctor's office will apologize for something about their body.
Also said
“We don't have to wait that long, right? We can start doing that work now and find our people and stop apologizing.”— Encourages immediate behavior change, not waiting for a life stage.
require-sex-specific-medical-education
WhatMedical schools and residency programs must teach sex-specific differences in disease presentation, treatment, and outcomes across all specialties, not just OB-GYN.
WhenThroughout medical training and continuing education.
For whomMedical educators, curriculum designers, and licensing bodies.
WhyBecause women's bodies are not just smaller versions of men's; ignoring differences leads to misdiagnosis and poorer outcomes.
Comen argues that anatomy is taught on male forms except for reproduction, and that specialties like cardiology, neurology, and immunology must integrate women's health. She points out that 80% of autoimmune patients are women, yet it's not considered a women's health field. She calls for mandatory menopause education for every specialty that touches a woman. She notes that in her own training, she never learned that preeclampsia increases heart disease risk. She sees this educational reform as essential to closing the gaps in care.
Personal experience
She notes that in her own training, she never learned that preeclampsia increases heart disease risk, and that she was taught women's chest pain was 'atypical.'
Menopause education ... the sex-specific differences in health should be required for every single specialty that touches a woman.
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“We're not just showing anatomy on male forms, but you know, sometimes you learn about the in a female body or the lungs or the heart. It's not just looking at a uterus as the only time you're seeing a female form.”— Critiques the male-centric anatomical teaching.
“80% of autoimmune diseases are in women. And were you taught that that was a women's health problem in medical school? I was not.”— Highlights a glaring omission in medical education.
non-hormonal-hot-flash-treatments
WhatFor breast cancer patients who cannot take systemic hormones, explore non-hormonal options for hot flashes, such as certain medications, and address bone health.
WhenWhen menopausal symptoms arise due to cancer treatment.
For whomBreast cancer patients and survivors with hot flashes.
WhyTo improve quality of life without increasing recurrence risk.
CaveatsDiscuss with oncologist; some non-hormonal drugs have side effects.
Comen acknowledges that while systemic hormone therapy is often contraindicated, there are non-hormonal medications that can reduce hot flashes. She also stresses the importance of bone health management, as cancer treatments can accelerate bone loss. She encourages patients to have informed discussions with their doctors rather than accepting suffering as inevitable.
We do have non-hormonal treatments for our for hot flashes that many women can pursue and talk to their doctor about.
Also said
“We have ways to address bone health.”— Reminds that bone density is another critical aspect of post-cancer care.
“Vaginal estrogen is safe. We have lots of studies that show this.”— Reinforces the safety of local estrogen for vaginal symptoms.
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alzheimers-gender-disparity
Dr. Comen admits she was unaware that Alzheimer's disease is twice as common in women, a fact she only learned while researching her book, highlighting the systemic neglect of women's brain health.
Why this matters: Even a highly specialized women's health oncologist was not taught this in medical training, underscoring the pervasive gaps in medical education.
Background
Historically, women's cognitive health has been devalued; women were institutionalized for normal behaviors like reading romance novels or having a higher libido.
Comen connects this revelation to the broader dismissal of women's mental and cognitive health throughout history. She points to the legacy of asylums where women were confined for 'hysteria' or 'premenstrual mania,' and notes that even today, menopause-related brain fog and cognitive decline are often minimized. She cites Lisa Mosconi's work emphasizing that we have centuries of research to make up for. The statistic that Alzheimer's is twice as common in women is not widely known even among physicians, which she finds alarming. She ties this to the underfunding of women's health research and the need to prioritize brain health in midlife and beyond. Her own grandmother suffered from dementia, reinforcing her personal urgency to change the narrative.
Personal experience
She shares her shock at learning this fact and reflects on her grandmother's decline: 'My grandmother lived to into her 90s... the last 10 years of her life, she suffered horribly from dementia and frailty.' She had assumed it was inevitable 'old lady disease' until she began studying menopause and the history of women's health.
I take care of women all day every day and I till I wrote this book, I had no idea that Alzheimer's was two times more common in women than men.
Also said
“How did I not know that?”— Expresses her disbelief at the gap in her own medical training.
“We have hundreds of years of research to make up to women for God's sakes.”— Frames the urgency of addressing the historical neglect of women's brain health.
vaginal-estrogen-safety-breast-cancer
Dr. Comen asserts that vaginal estrogen is safe for breast cancer patients and laments that this knowledge is not widely disseminated because women's sexual health has been devalued.
Why this matters: She challenges the blanket prohibition on hormones for breast cancer survivors and calls for prospective studies in triple-negative disease.
Background
Historically, oncologists have prioritized survival over quality of life, telling women 'you're alive' while ignoring severe menopausal symptoms. The fear of estrogen fueling recurrence has led to a complete avoidance of any hormonal intervention, even local, non-systemic options.
Comen explains that many breast cancer treatments, such as aromatase inhibitors or ovarian suppression, induce a medical menopause that can cause severe vaginal dryness, pain, and recurrent UTIs. She emphasizes that vaginal estrogen is not systemically absorbed and has been shown in multiple studies to be safe, yet many oncologists remain uninformed or reluctant to prescribe it. She argues that this reluctance stems from a long history of devaluing women's sexual function—while men with prostate cancer are routinely counseled about erectile dysfunction, women's sexual side effects are ignored. She also advocates for studying systemic hormone therapy in triple-negative breast cancer, which has no estrogen receptor, because there is no biological rationale for withholding it. The lack of research, she says, is because 'no one has cared.' She urges patients to have informed conversations with their doctors and to seek out resources like those at NYU.
Personal experience
She shares the story of Anne, an 80-year-old patient who confronted her about vaginal dryness ruining her sex life with her vibrator. Comen admits she had subconsciously dismissed the importance of sex for an older woman and failed to counsel Anne about sexual side effects. This encounter transformed her practice.
First of all, vaginal estrogen is safe. We have lots of studies that show this.
Also said
“For those women who have a very distant history of breast cancer, they're 20 30 years out, they want to have a conversation with their doctor about the risks, potential benefits, studies that we could get involved in.”— Encourages individualized risk-benefit discussions rather than blanket prohibitions.
“Why can we not give physiologic hormone back to those patients? ... Because no one has cared.”— Calls out the systemic neglect of research into hormone therapy for certain breast cancer subtypes.
strength-training-for-women
Dr. Comen, a former runner, now does kettlebells and strength trains, working on pull-ups, after a back injury and learning about the importance of muscle for longevity.
Why this matters: She embodies the shift from the historical fear of women getting 'bulky' to embracing strength as a health imperative.
Background
The history of 'bicycle face' and the medical establishment's warnings that exercise would make women unattractive or cause their uterus to fall out created a cultural legacy where women were discouraged from lifting weights. Even today, women worry about getting 'too bulky.'
Comen discusses how the medical community once debated whether women should ride bicycles, claiming it could cause 'bicycle face' (a frozen grimace), uterine prolapse, or masturbation. This fear of women exerting themselves and developing muscles persisted into modern times, with women being steered toward Pilates and away from heavy lifting. She contrasts that with the current epidemic of frailty and sarcopenia in older women. She now advocates for heavy resistance training to build bone density and prevent osteoporosis. She mentions her friend, a physical trainer, who was criticized behind her back for getting 'too bulky,' and how she now tries to keep up with her. Comen sees strength training as a critical, under-prescribed intervention for women's long-term health.
Personal experience
I had this back injury and I used to be like a crazy runner. And now I do kettlebells and I strength train and I'm working on my pull-ups.
I've definitely drank the Kool-Aid. You can tell Vonda Wright, I'm in on it. I'm lifting heavy.
Also said
“I'm working on my pull-ups.”— Shows her specific, measurable strength goal.
“I don't need hormonal therapy now, but you know, if I need it, I'll explore it.”— Indicates she is proactive about her own menopause transition and open to evidence-based options.
multidisciplinary-womens-health-collaborative
Dr. Comen co-directs a new collaborative at NYU that brings together subspecialists to research, educate, and deliver integrated care for women, which she sees as a model for systemic change.
Why this matters: It represents a structural solution to the fragmentation of women's health, where previously a patient might see a cardiologist who doesn't consider gynecologic factors.
Background
Historically, women's health has been siloed into OB-GYN, with other specialties ignoring sex-specific differences. The collaborative aims to break down those silos.
Comen describes the Mignone Women's Health Collaborative as a place where an orthopedic surgeon can talk to a cardiologist and a gynecologist to address the whole woman. It focuses on three pillars: research, education, and clinical care delivery. She highlights that NYU medical school is tuition-free, which she believes will help diversify the physician workforce. She contrasts this supportive environment with her previous job, where she faced pushback for writing her book and for her media presence. The collaborative has given her hope and a platform to drive change from within the system.
Personal experience
It is thrilling, exciting to be able to work at a hospital where I have colleagues that care about women in all these subspecialties under one roof, in one collaborative.
I am co-directing their Mignone Women's Health Collaborative, which is looking at women's health in its entirety.
Also said
“How we research women's health, how we collaborate about women's health, how we change the education for our medical students.”— Outlines the three core missions of the collaborative.
“I'm so grateful to be at this Mignone Women's Health Collaborative to have so many people behind me supporting this.”— Shows the personal and professional validation she has found there.
oncology-quality-of-life
Dr. Comen challenges the oncology field's tendency to dismiss severe treatment side effects with 'but you're alive,' arguing that sexual function and joy are integral to survival.
Why this matters: She calls out the hypocrisy: men with prostate cancer are routinely counseled about erectile dysfunction, while women's sexual health is ignored.
Background
The history of medicine has controlled women's sexuality, attributing diseases to masturbation and ignoring female pleasure. This legacy persists in the neglect of sexual side effects in cancer care.
Comen recounts how she put an 80-year-old patient, Anne, on an aromatase inhibitor without discussing sexual side effects, subconsciously assuming sex didn't matter at that age. Anne later confronted her, saying her vagina felt like sandpaper and her vibrator was no longer enjoyable. This forced Comen to re-evaluate her practice. She notes that we are twice as likely to ask men about sexual side effects, and that there is a pervasive ageism and sexism in assuming older women are not sexually active. She now advocates for asking every patient what brings them joy and how treatment affects that, and for integrating sexual health resources into oncology care.
Personal experience
I put her on an aromatase inhibitor... I didn't talk to her about decreased libido and pain during sex... I just subconsciously was like, well, she's like in her 80s, what does it matter?
You're alive. You may be miserable, sex may feel horrible, you may be having these hot flashes, but you're alive.
Also said
“We are two times more likely to ask men about sexual side effects from a cancer-targeted therapy than we are women.”— Quantifies the gender disparity in sexual health counseling.
“My vagina feels like a sandpaper. Why didn't you tell me this could happen? You didn't address these needs in mine.”— The patient's own words that transformed Comen's approach.
womens-health-funding-gap
Dr. Comen highlights that only 1% of government funding outside cancer goes to women's health, and menopause research receives less than 0.03% of NIH budget, despite affecting 100% of women.
Why this matters: She frames this as a financial opportunity, telling investors they can make money by closing these gaps.
Background
The McKinsey report estimated a $3 trillion opportunity in addressing women's health gaps. The system was built by men who invest in what affects them.
Comen discusses how the lack of funding is not just a moral failing but an economic one. She recounts her experience as a founder, where male venture capitalists would relate to the problem only through their mothers or daughters, never as a global issue. She argues that if investors truly care about returns, they should pour money into under-researched areas like menopause, autoimmune disease, and women's cardiovascular health. She also points out that even within cancer research, the focus on breast cancer has overshadowed other women's health issues, creating a false sense that women's health is well-funded.
Personal experience
She shares her frustration with investors who say, 'Now that I have a daughter, I really get it,' and insists that women's health should matter because women are over half the population.
It's like 1% of government funding outside of cancer research goes towards women's health.
Also said
“For menopause, it was less than 1% of like 0.03% of all funding went to study a condition that happens to 100% of women without fail if she lives long enough.”— Puts the minuscule funding into stark perspective.
“You don't have to care about us. You care about your dollar. You want to make money. Invest in women's health.”— Her pragmatic pitch to the financial sector.
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Dr. Fitzgerald is a gynecologic surgeon who documents the reimbursement disparities between male and female procedures, showing that identical surgeries on women are paid less.
Comen cites Fitzgerald's work to illustrate how the system devalues women's health financially. She urges listeners to follow her to understand the economic injustice. Fitzgerald's data shows that female-specific surgeries, which are often more complex because they are internal, are reimbursed at two to three times less than comparable male procedures.
Follow her. Jocelyn Fitzgerald goes through and tabulates what surgeons get paid for female procedures versus the identical procedure in a male. And it is shocking.
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“Female surgeries tend to be a lot more complicated... yet they're getting reimbursed so much more for an identical procedure.”— Highlights the absurdity of the pay gap given the greater complexity.
The book explores the history of medicine's bias against women, walking through organ systems to reveal how misogyny shaped modern healthcare.
DisclosureAuthor is the guest herself.
Comen wrote the book because she felt compelled to trace the legacy of dismissal she saw in her oncology patients. It covers dermatology/plastic surgery, cardiology, gastroenterology, neurology, endocrinology, and reproduction, with historical anecdotes and patient stories. She spent a year structuring it, and it went to auction. She hopes it will inform and empower women and change the system. The title refers to the common dismissal of women's symptoms as psychological.
Personal experience
She was unsure anyone would care, but the book has opened up a world of advocacy and connected her with other disruptors in women's health.
I really wrote the book because I felt this, you know, hearing these stories from patients that it was not just about their diagnosis of breast cancer, but they couldn't find a cardiologist or they were told they were anxious when they had a neurologic disorder...
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“I decided I really wanted to do a walk through women's bodies by organ system, the same way that it really developed in the 19th century.”— Explains the unique structure of the book.
“I really wanted to walk through each of these specialties to understand the specific gaps that exist in each field.”— Highlights the book's investigative approach.
A multidisciplinary center that brings together specialists across cardiology, orthopedics, gynecology, and more to provide integrated care for women, conduct research, and reform medical education.
DisclosureDr. Comen is co-director of this collaborative at NYU Langone Health.
Comen describes it as a place where an orthopedic surgeon can talk to a cardiologist and a gynecologist to address the whole woman. It aims to change how medical students are taught and how clinical care is delivered. She contrasts it with her previous institution where she faced pushback for writing her book and for her media presence. The collaborative represents a structural solution to the fragmentation of women's health.
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Unlike traditional siloed care, this model integrates multiple specialties to treat the whole woman, addressing the historical problem of women being shuffled between disconnected specialists.
Personal experience
It is thrilling, exciting to be able to work at a hospital where I have colleagues that care about women in all these subspecialties under one roof, in one collaborative.
I am co-directing their Mignone Women's Health Collaborative, which is looking at women's health in its entirety.
Also said
“How we research women's health, how we collaborate about women's health, how we change the education for our medical students.”— Outlines the three core missions of the collaborative.
“I'm so grateful to be at this Mignone Women's Health Collaborative to have so many people behind me supporting this.”— Shows the personal and professional validation she has found there.
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I guarantee you almost all women in a doctor's office will apologize for something about their body.
Captures the universal shame women carry into medical encounters, even on their deathbeds.
These women do not die.
The 19th-century cardiologist William Osler's dismissal of women's chest pain as neurotic, which set a deadly precedent still causing misdiagnosis today.
You're alive. You may be miserable, sex may feel horrible, you may be having these hot flashes, but you're alive.
Crystallizes the oncology field's neglect of quality of life for women, prioritizing survival over suffering.
We are two times more likely to ask men about sexual side effects from a cancer-targeted therapy than we are women.
A stark statistic exposing the gender bias in cancer care.
There is no billing code for my spending endless amount of time holding a dying patient's hand.
Highlights how the healthcare system financially undervalues empathy and care, which are disproportionately provided by female physicians.
I'm so tired of people saying, 'Well, now that I have a daughter, I really get it.' You should care because we're greater than 50% of the population if you care about humanity.
A powerful rebuke to the paternalistic trope that women's health only matters through male relatives.
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