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Do Ketones Actually Burn Fat? How to Use Drinkable Ketones, Keto Diet vs. Ketones & More!
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Do Ketones Actually Burn Fat? How to Use Drinkable Ketones, Keto Diet vs. Ketones & More!

Ben Greenfield
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TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

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TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

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Exogenous ketones like ketone IQ (1,3-butanediol) deliver BHB identical to endogenous ketones, providing fuel for brain and heart without requiring carb restriction, but they don't produce the insulin-sensitivity improvements of a full ketogenic diet.

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A single dose of ketones can match a week of ketogenic diet in enhancing brain network stability on fMRI, and one dose improves cardiac output in heart failure patients.

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Ketone IQ before exercise upregulates fat-burning enzymes, enhances fat oxidation during fasted workouts, and even boosts anaerobic performance (Wingate test) via an analgesic effect that lowers perceived exertion.

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Ketones support recovery by promoting glycogen sparing, mTOR-driven muscle protein synthesis, angiogenesis, EPO, and by normalizing REM sleep and catecholamines after vigorous evening exercise.

Protocols

Concrete recipes — what, when, how much, and why

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Endurance Pre‑Workout Ketone Dosing

WhatTake one serving (bottle) of ketone IQ 30 minutes before endurance exercise, then a second dose 1.5 hours into the session (2 hours after the first).
WhenBefore long endurance events or training sessions (e.g., marathon, long bike ride).
DoseOne bottle (70 cal, 10 g of 1,3‑butanediol) per dose; two doses total for events lasting several hours.
For whomAthletes who are not keto‑adapted and will also consume carbs; can be used by anyone seeking performance enhancement.
WhyProvides glycogen‑sparing signals, increases mTOR activation, and enhances dual‑fuel efficiency when used alongside carbohydrates.
CaveatsKetone levels last 2‑4 hours during exercise, so a second dose is needed; not a complete fuel replacement (only 70 cal), so must be combined with other energy sources.

The speaker explained that professional cycling team Visma‑Lease a Bike uses ketone IQ for recovery, but for performance they recommend this specific timing. The small calorie load is insufficient on its own, but it activates metabolic pathways that make carbohydrate fuel more effective. The 90‑minute top‑up aligns with the typical depletion curve when exercising. This protocol was described as the exact recommendation they give to athletes.

Mechanism

Ketones signal the body to spare glycogen, upregulate fat oxidation enzymes, and increase mTOR‑mediated muscle protein synthesis. They also help preserve cognition and lower perceived exertion.

we would ask them to take half an hour before and then top it up an hour and a half into your workout, which is 2 hours since the first dose and just top it up once and then if you finish the race, that's it.

Also said
“it's not meant to replace the carbs, especially if it's only 70 calories, right? … what it's doing is essentially giving the signal for glycogen sparing, for increased mTOR.”— Explains that the protocol works through signaling, not calorie replacement.

Post‑Exercise Recovery & Sleep Protocol

WhatTake one serving of ketone IQ after a workout, and optionally another serving before bedtime.
WhenImmediately after exercise, especially intense or evening sessions; second dose before sleep if needed.
DoseOne bottle per serving; timing can be after workout and again pre‑bed.
For whomAthletes seeking faster recovery and those who exercise in the evening and want to protect sleep quality.
WhyPromotes glycogen resynthesis, mTOR‑driven muscle protein synthesis, angiogenesis, EPO production, and normalizes REM sleep / catecholamine balance after vigorous exercise.
CaveatsIf taken before bed, individual tolerance to ketones may vary; no data on hyperbaric/hyperoxic combinations.

The speaker highlighted that Visma‑Lease a Bike, a Tour de France team, uses ketone IQ primarily for recovery—after the race and before bed—because of the compounding benefits. A study from KU Leuven with Hespel’s group showed improved biomarkers of angiogenesis and EPO with ketone IQ. The sleep normalization study added mechanistic support for evening dosing. Ben connected this to his own travel‑induced evening workouts, and Lat agreed that ketones could mitigate the negative impact on sleep.

Mechanism

Ketones enhance glycogen replenishment, activate protein synthesis pathways (mTOR), increase erythropoietin (EPO) for red blood cell formation, and promote new blood vessel growth (angiogenesis). For sleep, they appear to blunt exercise‑induced sympathetic overdrive and restore dopamine levels.

Personal experience

Ben: 'a lot of times when I travel, even though I like to work out in the morning, I'm relegated to working out in the evening.' Lat confirmed the logic.

we have been partnering with Visma Lease a Bike … they have been using it for recovery primarily. So after workout and before bed … the data are showing the compounding effect of using ketone IQ as a recovery fuel.

Also said
“when people take ketones after exercise, they increase glycogen resynthesis, increase mTOR activation for protein synthesis … and recently we are just wrapping up a study … looking at recovery angiogenesis and EPO.”— Details the multiple recovery mechanisms beyond fuel.

Ketone Rescue from Reactive Hypoglycemia Post‑Workout

WhatTake one serving of ketone IQ before a morning fasted workout, then eat breakfast as usual; even if blood glucose drops into the 50s, brain fog and cognitive impairment are prevented.
WhenOn days with a morning fasted workout followed by a meal.
DoseOne bottle of ketone IQ before the workout.
For whomIndividuals who experience reactive hypoglycemia (common in low‑carb‑adapted people) where a post‑meal blood sugar crash causes symptoms.
WhyKetones supply the brain with an alternative fuel and downregulate gluconeogenesis, so the drop in blood glucose does not cause mental fatigue or dizziness.
CaveatsMay lower blood glucose further due to reduced liver glucose production; ensure that true hypoglycemic symptoms are absent because ketones mask them but brain function is preserved.

Ben described his personal pattern: he does a fasted workout, then drinks a smoothie, and his blood glucose plummets to 50 mg/dL within 40 minutes, causing dizziness and brain fog unless he had ketone IQ beforehand. Lat explained that ketones suppress the liver’s glucose production (gluconeogenesis) and reference the work of Jonathan Little, which shows ketones lower post‑meal blood glucose in various populations. Ben’s own N‑of‑1 experiment confirms that the presence of ketones fully eliminates the cognitive symptoms, even when glucose is dangerously low on paper.

Mechanism

Ketones signal the liver to decrease gluconeogenesis, lowering blood glucose post‑prandially, but simultaneously provide the brain with an efficient fuel, preventing the cognitive deficit that normally accompanies very low glucose.

Personal experience

Ben: 'If I have ketones before my morning workout, the same hypoglycemic event occurs but has no impact on my cognition, my function … dizziness, brain fog, all the things that would occur if I were at a blood glucose of 50 to 60 in the absence of ketones.'

when ketones are present it is sending a signal to your liver to downregulate gluconeogenesis … but because of the presence of ketones … it's going into your brain and really stimulating the brain activity … you are not feeling that mental fatigue state.

Also said
“Look at Dr. Jonathan Little's work from University of British Columbia … he published quite a few papers on healthy individuals, obese individuals and diabetic individuals using ketones postprandial and they all saw a drop in blood glucose.”— Provides the research backing for the gluconeogenesis‑suppression effect.

Morning Fasted Ketone Protocol for Fat Loss

WhatTake one serving of ketone IQ 30 minutes before a morning fasted cardio or workout session to enhance fat oxidation and blunt appetite.
WhenIn the morning, after an overnight fast, before eating.
DoseOne bottle (70 cal).
For whomAnyone aiming for weight loss who does fasted exercise; especially useful on a low‑carb or ketogenic diet.
WhyExogenous ketones upregulate fat‑metabolizing enzymes, making the body more efficient at burning stored fat; the appetite‑suppressing effect helps maintain a calorie deficit.
CaveatsThe 70 calories are negligible but still break a strict water‑only fast; the ketones will be burned quickly, and the user must rely on stored fat thereafter. No direct GLP‑1 studies yet, but appetite suppression is reported anecdotally.

Both host and guest had fasted before the recording and used ketone IQ. Lat fasted over 24 hours and did cardio, then took ketone IQ. Ben fasted 14 hours with a workout preceded by ketone IQ. They discussed how the low‑calorie ketone dose acts as a metabolic signal rather than a main fuel, priming the body to tap into fat stores. The appetite suppression is frequently reported by users, especially those on calorie‑restricted diets, helping them sustain energy and mental clarity during the day.

Mechanism

Ingested 1,3‑butanediol is converted to BHB in the liver; even this small amount upregulates ketone‑related metabolic enzymes, so when the exogenous ketones are gone, the body continues to oxidize its own fat more efficiently. Appetite suppression may be due to a GLP‑1‑like effect, but mechanistic studies are pending.

Personal experience

Lat: 'I actually fasted more for more than 24 hours now. And I woke up and I did a half an hour cardio session before we even started here … I'm going to have my first ketone IQ of the day just for the podcast.' Ben: 'I fasted about 14 hours. There was a workout in there this morning preceded by a little ketone IQ.'

if you're using it for fat burning and weight loss, you're also adding that appetite suppression effect as well.

Also said
“I was just texting my ex colleague yesterday and he's going through a 72‑hour fast … he said like he's made it a breeze.”— Anecdote of appetite suppression during extended fasting.

What's new

Personal practice updates, fresh positions, predictions

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Exogenous ketones upregulate fat-burning enzymes and don't block fat oxidation

Drinking ketones like ketone IQ (1,3-butanediol) doesn't inhibit fat burning; the small 70‑calorie dose upregulates ketone-metabolizing enzymes, making the body more efficient at oxidizing its own fat during fasted exercise.

Why this matters: Contradicts the common assumption that exogenous ketones would shift metabolism away from fatty acid oxidation (similar to alcohol); instead they act as a signaling primer.

Background

Many believe that because the body must clear ingested ketones first, taking them would prevent fat loss. The speaker explains the opposite.

The host raised the alcohol analogy: drinking alcohol with a meal supposedly shifts metabolism to burn alcohol first, potentially impairing fat burning. He wondered if exogenous ketones behave the same way. Dr. Lat countered that while the body does use the ingested ketones first, that small dose also triggers an adaptive response. Research shows that ketone-metabolizing enzymes (like those converting BHB to acetyl-CoA) are upregulated. This means that after the ingested ketones are depleted, the body's own fat-derived ketones are oxidized more efficiently. In a fasted state with low glycogen, the presence of exogenous ketones signals the liver to sustain ketogenesis, so the net effect is enhanced fat oxidation, not inhibition. The speaker emphasized that this effect is synergistic with fasted exercise, making ketone IQ a useful tool for those aiming to burn fat.

even though it's only 70 calories, so in terms of fuel, it's not a lot, but it is sending signals to upregulate keto metabolism.

Also said
“So the body could be burning the ketones preferentially as the first fuel that it goes to, but then there is a switch that allows for upregulated burning of the body's endogenously produced ketones.”— Captures the host's summary of the dual-phase burn, which Lat affirms.

Ketones improve peak power and reduce fatigue in high-intensity anaerobic exercise

A recent study (University of North Georgia, Wingate test) found that ketone IQ improved peak power, average power, cadence, and decreased fatigue index, despite a lower respiratory exchange ratio indicating less glucose use; the likely mechanism is an analgesic effect on the brain reducing perceived exertion.

Why this matters: Prior dogma held that ketones only benefit endurance; this is the first human study showing they enhance anaerobic performance.

Background

Ketones were long assumed to be beneficial only for aerobic exercise because they derive from fatty acid oxidation, not glycolysis. The Wingate test is a gold‑standard measure of anaerobic power. The surprising result challenges that assumption.

The speaker described a study where participants did repeated 10‑second all‑out sprints on a stationary bike. The ketone IQ group showed statistically significant improvements in peak power, average power, and cadence, while their fatigue index was lower. Even more puzzling, their respiratory exchange ratio (RER) was lower than placebo, meaning they were burning a greater proportion of fat relative to carbohydrate. As a physiologist, one would expect that shifting toward fat oxidation during high‑intensity exercise would impair performance because anaerobic glycolysis is the primary fuel for short bursts. Yet they performed better. The researcher explained this by proposing a central analgesic effect: ketones appear to dull the perception of muscle pain and exertion, allowing subjects to push harder despite using less glucose. This implies that the performance boost is not metabolic but neurological—a reduction in the rating of perceived exertion. The finding opens a new rationale for using ketones before CrossFit, sprinting, and other power sports.

We found that they have improved peak power, improved average power, improved cadence as well as decreased fatigue index … But they perform better … So what we think is happening here could be an analgesic effect on the brain like influencing the rating of perceived exertion.

Also said
“Ketones have been known or have been assumed to be only beneficial in endurance exercise just because it comes from the fatty acid oxidation pathway.”— Establishes the conventional view that the new data overturn.
“the respiratory exchange ratio … the ketone IQ group they are significantly lower compared to the placebo group. So it is pulling it towards fatty acid oxidation at the same time.”— Highlights the metabolic paradox—more fat burning yet better power.

Ketones normalize sleep-disrupting effects of vigorous evening exercise

One study showed that ketones given after intense exercise normalized the reduction in REM sleep and restored balance to adrenaline, noradrenaline, and dopamine, making ketones a potential tool to protect sleep when training late in the day.

Why this matters: Practical for athletes and travelers who must exercise in the evening and want to avoid sleep disruption.

Background

Strenuous exercise close to bedtime often reduces REM sleep and raises stress hormones, impairing recovery. The speaker suggests ketones could mitigate this.

The speaker described a recent study in which vigorous exercise decreased REM sleep. When participants were given ketones, REM sleep normalized, and abnormally high adrenaline and noradrenaline levels returned to normal, as did decreased dopamine during sleep. The host Ben connected this to his travel routine: he often has to work out in the evening and would like to preserve sleep. Dr. Lat confirmed that taking ketones after such sessions could indeed help safeguard sleep parameters. The study did not specify the timing of exercise relative to bedtime, but the implication is that ketones may blunt the sympathetic overdrive and allow better sleep architecture. Additionally, an NIH grant is pending with Johns Hopkins to investigate ketone IQ for sleep apnea, with the hypothesis that improved oxygen delivery via EPO and angiogenesis might help. The sleep normalization effect is therefore multifaceted—both hormonal and possibly oxygen-related.

Personal experience

Ben shared his travel schedule: 'a lot of times when I travel, even though I like to work out in the morning, I'm relegated to working out in the evening due to the travel schedule.'

the decreased REM sleep due to vigorous exercise and then they gave them ketones and that REM sleep got normalized and they also looked at adrenaline noradrenaline that was increased … and then decreased dopamine when they are asleep. So when they give them ketones again those get normalized to a healthy person's level.

Also said
“theoretically, if I didn't want an evening exercise session to deleteriously impact sleep parameters, something like using ketones … could be something to experiment with.”— Host’s practical application of the study.

Ketones serve as precursors for infant brain development and breast milk may provide a ketogenic substrate

Dr. Tommy Wood noted that infants use ketones as precursors to build brain cells, and Ben speculates that breast milk's high MCT content supports this, essentially a ketogenic diet for infants.

Why this matters: Reframes infant nutrition and brain development in a ketone-centric way.

in infants they use ketones as precursors to build brain cells neurons because if you think about it brain has a lot of fat … the ketones that is being used as precursors to rebuild the fat molecules, the fatty acids, and build those cells.

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“breast milk is high in fat and low in sugar. So that is essentially a ketogenic diet for the infants.”— Reinforces the concept that infant physiology is naturally ketone‑oriented.

A single dose of ketones matches one week of ketogenic diet in enhancing brain network stability

A study by Mujica Parodi showed that one dose of ketones produced the same increase in brain network stability (regions talking to each other more often) as one week on a ketogenic diet.

Why this matters: Demonstrates that acute ketone ingestion replicates the brain‑connectivity benefits of sustained dietary ketosis in a fraction of the time.

Background

Until this study, it was unclear whether exogenous ketones could mimic the neurological effects of a ketogenic diet.

The speaker explained that the study used functional MRI to compare two groups: one that received a single dose of ketones, and another that followed a ketogenic diet for one week. Both groups exhibited similar improvements in how often brain regions communicated with each other, indicating that ketones rapidly enhance brain network efficiency. This supports the notion that ketones are not just a fuel but also a signaling molecule that can quickly improve brain function. The speaker also mentioned that in infants, ketones are used as building blocks for neurons, underscoring their importance for brain health across the lifespan.

There is one study that shows just with one dose of ketones and a week of ketogenic diet … they both exhibit similar effect in the functional MRI where the brain regions talk to each other more often.

Also said
“So we know the brain is more active and more efficient when ketones are present.”— Summarizes the take‑home from the fMRI findings.
Disclosed sponsorships3speaker disclosed

Ketone IQ (1,3‑Butanediol Ketone Drink)

Product Sponsored · disclosed

A drinkable ketone supplement containing (R)‑1,3‑butanediol that is converted to beta‑hydroxybutyrate (BHB) in the liver. It mimics the effects of endogenous ketosis without requiring carb restriction or fasting.

DisclosureDr. Lat Mansour is the research lead at Health Via Modern Nutrition (HVMN), the company that produces Ketone IQ.

Ketone IQ is used by professional athletes (e.g., Visma‑Lease a Bike cycling team), military personnel, and individuals seeking cognitive or performance benefits. The compound bypasses the need for a ketogenic diet or prolonged fasting to elevate blood BHB. It lasts 6‑8 hours in sedentary people and 2‑4 hours during exercise. Because it is not acidic like pure BHB or salt‑laden like ketone salts, it avoids GI distress and heartburn. The small bottle provides 70 cal and 10 g of active ingredient.

vs alternatives

Compared to ketone esters (pure BHB acid), it does not cause severe heartburn, GI irritation, or the need to buffer with large amounts of salts (which lead to gastric distress). Compared to MCT oil, it does not cause lower‑GI disasters during long races.

Personal experience

Both host and guest regularly use it before podcasts, workouts, and fasts. Lat consumed it after a 24‑hour fast and cardio; Ben uses it before morning workouts and to prevent hypoglycemic brain fog.

the ketone that you make in your body would primarily be BHB … and the BHB that gets converted from ketone IQ in your liver is exactly the same molecular wise … your body will recognize it the same and will utilize it in the same exact way.

Also said
“we have athletes who use it as a pre‑workout … they'll take it half an hour before the workout and then top it out every two hours.”— Illustrates real‑world dosing among athletes.
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Ketone IQ Caffeine (Green Apple, 100 mg Caffeine)

Product Sponsored · disclosed

A caffeinated version of Ketone IQ with 100 mg of caffeine per bottle, positioned as a cleaner alternative to traditional energy drinks.

DisclosureSame HVMN affiliation; Dr. Lat is research lead at the manufacturer.

The host notes that the caffeine version combines the fuel‑providing ketones with a stimulant creates a synergistic effect: caffeine increases brain energy demand while ketones deliver the actual fuel, potentially yielding better cognitive and physical performance than caffeine alone. The company’s aim is to compete with products like 5‑Hour Energy, Celsius, and Monster by offering fuel without the crash, because ketones provide a direct energy substrate rather than just sympathetic stimulation.

vs alternatives

Versus conventional energy drinks that only stimulate the nervous system and raise heart rate and blood pressure without adding metabolic fuel, the caffeine‑ketone combination supplies both stimulation and actual energy molecules to the brain and body.

caffeine increases your brain energy demand and ketone provides that energy supply. So that's why it's synergistic.

Also said
“these stimulants are only stimulating your brain power … but it does not provide you with the fuel you need. You are still taking it from within your body. Whereas ketones are actually providing you with the fuel directly.”— Direct comparison of the ketone approach versus standard energy drinks.
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Ketone IQ Big Bottle (Multi‑Serving)

Product Sponsored · disclosed

A larger bottle of Ketone IQ that contains multiple servings, allowing frequent dosing without opening many single‑serving bottles.

DisclosureProduced by HVMN, where Dr. Lat is research lead.

The host mentions he keeps a big bottle at his desk to easily pour out two doses. The product is otherwise identical to the single‑serving bottles. This format is convenient for users who consume ketones regularly, such as during long workdays or multiple workouts.

vs alternatives

Same chemical formulation as the single‑serving bottles, but offers cost and convenience advantages for frequent users.

Personal experience

Ben: 'I have this big bottle just sitting by my desk. Like, I still drink those because it's easier to to pour out like two doses.'

I love those big bottles, by the way. They were pretty easy to just accidentally drink half the bottle, though, before half the day was over.

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Notable quotes

Lines worth pulling out — contrarian, specific, or perfectly phrased

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There is one study that shows just with one dose of ketones and a week of ketogenic diet … they both exhibit similar effect in the functional MRI where the brain regions talk to each other more often.
Demonstrates that acute ketone ingestion can rapidly replicate the brain‑connectivity benefits of a full week of dietary ketosis.
The heart actually prefers ketones whenever it's available.
Counters the glucose‑centric model; shows that ketones are a preferred fuel for the heart, with clinical evidence in heart failure.
We drank for at least like four or five shots during the entire interview … we made it through almost a full bottle of like the big one … because the ketone in that is 13‑butanediol that we should have felt drunk. I felt fine.
A vivid, humorous demonstration of the safety margin of 1,3‑butanediol—it doesn’t cause intoxication even at high doses, contradicting internet myths.
We found that they have improved peak power, improved average power, improved cadence as well as decreased fatigue index … But they perform better … So what we think is happening here could be an analgesic effect on the brain like influencing the rating of perceived exertion.
Surprising reversal of the assumption that ketones only help endurance; proposes a central analgesic mechanism for anaerobic gains.

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