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Molecular Hydrogen for Mitochondrial Health
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Molecular Hydrogen for Mitochondrial Health

Ben Greenfield
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TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

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TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

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Molecular hydrogen's mechanism of action has been recently elucidated: it targets the RISP in mitochondrial complex 3, triggering a hormetic adaptation that ultimately enhances ATP production and electron transport chain efficiency.

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When seeking hormone replacement therapy, look for practitioners with advanced functional or integrative training (MD, DO, ND), credentials from IFM, A4M, or ACAM, and a comprehensive approach that considers endocrinology, metabolism, inflammatory pathways, detox, gut health, and genetics, not just basic hormone levels.

3

Nuanced research suggests that moderate alcohol consumption (1-2 drinks/day, especially wine with meals) may not be as detrimental to brain health or overall health as widely publicized, with some studies even showing benefits, particularly when consumed earlier in the day and alongside a healthy lifestyle.

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Chronic, high-dose THC cannabis use (5+ mg, multiple times per week, especially nightly) is associated with measurable cognitive deficits, particularly in memory and information processing, even when not high, due to potential free radical leakage in neural mitochondria.

Protocols

Concrete recipes — what, when, how much, and why

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Daily Molecular Hydrogen Dosing

WhatTaking small amounts of molecular hydrogen multiple times a day.
WhenMorning (upon waking) and afternoon/evening.
DoseSmall amounts, repeated a couple of times a day.
WhyProvides small, frequent hormetic stresses to mitochondria, leading to long-term improvements in electron transport chain efficiency and ATP production.

The speaker, drawing on discussions with Tyler Leberon of the Molecular Hydrogen Foundation, advocates for a 'DAL dosing' approach to molecular hydrogen. This involves taking small quantities of hydrogen in the morning and again in the afternoon or evening. The rationale is rooted in the newly understood hormetic mechanism of hydrogen: these tiny, repeated exposures create mild stress on the mitochondria by temporarily suppressing the electron transport chain. This stress, rather than being detrimental, acts as a signal for the mitochondria to adapt and become more efficient in the long run, leading to improved ATP production. The key insight is that the benefits are not just transient but persist due to changes in protein folding mechanisms, making consistent, low-dose exposure more effective than infrequent, large doses.

Mechanism

The small, frequent doses of hydrogen target the risky iron sulfur protein (RISP) in mitochondrial complex 3, triggering its degradation. This temporary suppression of the electron transport chain initiates protein unfolding, which, as a hormetic adaptation, ultimately increases the efficiency of the electron transport chain and ATP production. The benefits persist after hydrogen leaves the body due to these protein folding mechanisms.

This is why frequent dosing with hydrogen in small amounts. And I think of and I talked with Tyler about this on the podcast that I did with him. I'll link to that one in the show notes where we took a deep dive. DAL dosing meaning taking some hydrogen in the morning when you get up and taking some hydrogen in the afternoon or the evening.

Also said
“Those tiny amounts repeated a couple of times a day give small stresses to the mitochondria suppressing the electron transport chain activity and the long-term benefits are better ATP production.”— Explains the immediate and long-term effects of frequent small doses.

Hydrogen Inhalation

WhatBreathing concentrated hydrogen gas using a specialized machine.
WhenDuring a nap or rest period (e.g., mid-day siesta).
Dose30-45 minutes, breathing 4% hydrogen.
WhyProvides the highest throughput delivery of hydrogen, leading to significant hormetic stress and enhanced electron transport chain activity, resulting in lower soreness, better recovery, and improved sleep.
CaveatsSome machines have a high risk of explosion or are poorly made. Ensure the machine is reputable and safe.

The speaker considers hydrogen inhalation to be the most effective method for delivering hydrogen, especially for those seeking maximum benefits. He uses a machine that concentrates hydrogen from diluted water into a balloon, which is then breathed through a mask. He integrates this into his daily routine, typically during a mid-day siesta, for 30-45 minutes. This method delivers a very high concentration (4% hydrogen), equivalent to hundreds of bottles of hydrogen water, providing a significant 'blast' of hormetic stress. The benefits he personally experiences include reduced soreness, improved recovery, and better sleep, attributing these to the anti-inflammatory effects and enhanced ATP production. He cautions users to be careful about machine quality due to potential safety risks (explosion) and recommends reputable brands.

Mechanism

Inhaling concentrated hydrogen delivers a large amount of the gas to the body, inducing a significant hormetic stress response in the mitochondria. This stress, as described in the newly elucidated mechanism, triggers protein unfolding and ultimately leads to a substantial increase in electron transport chain efficiency and ATP production. The high concentration and direct delivery allow for a powerful systemic effect.

Personal experience

I have a big podcast about the science behind these and how they work with Alex Tarnava and uh good old Tyler Leberon who I mentioned earlier and you get super high concentrations uh cuz you're breathing like 4% hydrogen. So if you're laying there for a half hour and I just do this when I'm taking a nap, right? Like I lay back middle of the day. I usually take a siesta around 2 p.m. pull this mask on and so I'm breathing for 30 to 45 minutes. I'm literally getting the equivalent of hundreds of bottles of hydrogen water. Big blast all at once.

I think it's the best way to get hydrogen.

Also said
“I'm like addicted to it. I feel so good after I use it. Lower soreness, better recovery, better sleep. Um, it's just fighting inflammation on a lot of fronts and increasing ATP production.”— Lists the personal benefits experienced from hydrogen inhalation.

Hydrogen Bath

WhatSoaking in a bathtub with hydrogen diffused into the water.
WhenAbout once a week, for 20-40 minutes.
Dose20-40 minutes of immersion.
WhyAllows for significant transdermal hydrogen absorption, providing a relaxing experience while delivering therapeutic benefits.
CaveatsLogistically less convenient than other methods. Maintaining water temperature can be an issue.

The speaker describes hydrogen baths as another effective, albeit less convenient, method for high-dose hydrogen delivery. He uses a hydrogen diffusion unit from Lumati that infuses hydrogen into the bathwater as the tub fills. This allows for transdermal absorption, with significant amounts of hydrogen being absorbed over a 20-40 minute immersion. He personally does this about once a week, combining it with other relaxing elements like a red light and magnesium flakes. He even uses a sous vide wand to maintain the water temperature in his garage bathtub during colder months. This method provides a relaxing way to get a substantial dose of hydrogen, contributing to overall well-being.

Mechanism

Hydrogen gas diffused into bathwater is absorbed transdermally through the skin. This systemic absorption allows the hydrogen to exert its hormetic effects on mitochondria throughout the body, similar to other delivery methods, but through a different route. The large surface area of the skin in contact with the hydrogen-rich water facilitates substantial uptake.

Personal experience

I have the ladder. I got it from a company based out of San Diego called Lumati. Um, literally have a we built this brand new house in Idaho. And I realized after the fact, uh, this sounds super dumb, but I turned to my wife a few weeks after living in the house and I'm like, "Do you realize we don't have a bathtub?" She's like, "Yeah, yeah. I didn't think we needed one. Um, and and she did a lot of the house design. So, I'm like, screw that. I'm not going to live till I'm 90 years old in a house without a bathtub. So, I uh had a bathtub put in the garage with a curtain around it. I got a red light over it. Super relaxing. And you fill it up with this hydrogen diffusion unit from Lumati.

And then the other way that's pretty cool, it also allows for a ton of hydrogen to get absorbed. um a little bit more logistically inconvenient but super relaxing is a hydrogen bath.

Also said
“The only issue is that when you have a bath in a garage, the water starts to get cold after like 15 20 minutes, especially when it's winter in Idaho. So, I have a sousvie wand that I set at 105° and I put it in the bathtub and that maintains a pretty good temperature while I'm laying there soaking in hydrogen.”— Details a practical solution for a common issue with hydrogen baths.

Finding a Quality Hormone Replacement Therapy Doctor

WhatSeek a doctor with specific credentials and a comprehensive, integrated approach to hormone health.
WhenYears before perimenopause begins.
For whomWomen experiencing perimenopause or menopause symptoms, or those proactively planning for hormone health.
WhyEnsures personalized, safe, and effective treatment for hormone imbalances, addressing underlying causes rather than just symptoms.
CaveatsAvoid 'pellet clinics' or doctors who only test basic hormones or rely solely on symptoms.

When searching for a hormone replacement therapy (HRT) doctor, the speaker advises looking for someone with an MD, DO, or ND, or advanced functional/integrative training. Crucially, they should have credentials from organizations like the Institute for Functional Medicine (IFM), the American Academy of Anti-aging Medicine (A4M), or the American College for Advancement in Medicine (ACAM), ideally with a fellowship or extensive continuing education in women's hormones, metabolism, and thyroid health. A good doctor will view the body as an integrated system, understanding endocrinology, metabolism, inflammatory and detox pathways, gut health, and genetics. They should conduct thorough initial consultations (e.g., 90 minutes) covering full health history, cycle history, trauma, stress, sleep, gut, thyroid, autoimmune issues, family history, genetics, and detailed symptom mapping. Regular, preferably quarterly, testing of a wide range of markers (thyroid, gut, blood work, lipids, all hormones, upstream and downstream metabolites) is essential, rather than just estrogen and progesterone. Red flags include doctors who don't require labs, only test basic hormones, push pellets (which can't be adjusted), or cannot explain mechanisms, risks, benefits, and alternatives.

Personal experience

My wife is on hormone replacement therapy. Um, she's worked with a couple people during that journey. Uh, the two primary people that she has worked with are Karen Martell, former podcast guest, and we'll link to her stuff in the show notes. Um, and also Dr. Rosenuite, who uses more of like these plant-based, low toxin progesterone, estrogen, uh, creams and testosterone creams.

What do you want to look for when it comes to a high quality, trustworthy hormone replacement doctor? Uh, well, first of all, they should have an MD. They should have a DO. They should have an ND or some kind of advanced functional or integrative training.

Also said
“They need to understand endocrinology, metabolism, inflammatory pathways, detox pathways, gut health, and genetics as one integrated system.”— Emphasizes the holistic approach required for effective hormone therapy.
“They need to test everything, right? thyroid, gut, blood work, lipids, all hormones, upstream and downstream metabolites, everything.”— Details the comprehensive testing required beyond basic hormone panels.
“Someone who pushes pellets, I don't like those because they can't be adjusted. So a lot of times I think that's lazy medicine.”— Identifies a specific red flag in HRT practices.

Responsible Alcohol Consumption

WhatConsume alcohol in moderation, preferably wine, with meals, and earlier in the day.
WhenDuring the afternoon or early evening, with dinner, finishing 2-3 hours before bedtime.
Dose1-2 drinks per day, or 3-5 drinks per week (speaker's personal practice).
For whomIndividuals without a history of addiction, non-alcoholic fatty liver disease, or other contraindications.
WhyMinimizes potential negative impacts on sleep and liver function, while potentially offering benefits like improved inflammatory response and endothelial function.
CaveatsAvoid if you have non-alcoholic fatty liver disease, addiction history, or are in strict ketosis (which can make alcohol metabolism more challenging). Avoid late evening consumption.

The speaker advocates for a responsible and nuanced approach to alcohol consumption, moving away from the 'alcohol is poison' narrative. He suggests that moderate intake, particularly of wine, with meals and earlier in the day, can mitigate many of the commonly cited negative effects. For example, red wine consumed with food has been shown to improve inflammatory responses, reduce cholesterol oxidation, and stabilize blood glucose. He also notes that moderate drinking can enhance endothelial function. Crucially, he highlights that alcohol's disruptive effect on sleep is primarily linked to late-evening consumption (8 PM-midnight). Drinking 'European style' – a glass of wine with dinner that finishes 2-3 hours before bedtime – is unlikely to interfere with melatonin secretion, which typically starts around 9 PM. He personally consumes 3-5 small glasses of wine or spirits per week, often micro-dosing. He cautions against alcohol if one has non-alcoholic fatty liver disease, a history of addiction, or is in strict ketosis, as ketosis can impact alcohol metabolism pathways.

Mechanism

Consuming red wine with a meal can improve the inflammatory response, reduce cholesterol oxidation, and lower postprandial blood glucose. Moderate alcohol intake can improve endothelial function. Early evening consumption allows the body sufficient time to metabolize alcohol before melatonin secretion begins around 9 PM, thus minimizing sleep disruption.

Personal experience

I have not been inebriated or drunk in a very long time. I've rarely had more than two servings of alcohol. Uh years and years and years since I've ever had more than two servings. Date night with my wife, which might be twice a month. I will have a cocktail before dinner and then my wife and I share a glass of wine during dinner. Split pour. Um I probably drink about three to five times per week. small glass of wine with dinner. Small splash of a good alcohol like a mezcal tequila or I like this one called um Crayos or yeah K R E O S. It's made from the mastic gum. Super good. Um great for the gut.

Don't beat yourself up, you guys. If you like to have a glass of wine every now and again, yes, if you have non-alcoholic fatty liver disease or, you know, history of really delterious drinking habits, addiction, etc., avoid it entirely.

Also said
“Red wine when consumed with a meal improves the inflammatory response of that meal, reduces cholesterol oxidation products in the gut and reduces postprandial high blood glucose.”— Provides specific benefits of wine consumption with meals.
“Drinking like European style during the afternoon or early evening, glass of wine with dinner and the dinner's finishing 2 hours or 3 hours before bedtime. Not a big idea or not not a big uh it is a big idea. Not a big problem.”— Explains how timing alcohol consumption can mitigate negative effects.

Responsible Cannabis Use

WhatLimit THC-containing cannabis use to occasional, low-dose applications, avoiding chronic daily or high-dose use.
WhenOccasionally, for specific purposes like sex or pain/injury, not nightly for sleep.
DoseSpeaker's personal use: 100-300mg CBD for airplanes; THC for sex ~12 times/year; THC for injury/pain as needed.
For whomIndividuals seeking to avoid cognitive impairment and potential long-term neural issues.
WhyAvoids cognitive deficits associated with chronic THC use and potential mitochondrial free radical leakage.
CaveatsChronic use (5+ times/week, 5+ mg THC) is associated with cognitive deficits. Nightly use for sleep is discouraged.

The speaker warns against chronic, high-dose THC cannabis use, particularly for sleep, citing a meta-analysis linking cannabis use disorder to moderate deficits in verbal learning, memory, processing speed, and working memory. These deficits were observed even when individuals were not high, suggesting long-term effects from chronic use (defined as 5+ times per week, 5-50mg THC). He highlights that nightly THC use for sleep is problematic not only for next-day cognitive function but also due to mild free radical leakage in neural mitochondria. While acknowledging CBD's anxiolytic effects, he cautions against its overuse due to tachyphylaxis. He shares his personal, highly controlled use: high-dose CBD for airplane sleep, and THC for sex (about once a month) or for pain/injury, viewing it as a 'sometimes drug' to avoid the issues associated with chronic use.

Mechanism

Chronic, high-dose THC use can lead to mild free radical leakage in neural mitochondria, potentially contributing to cognitive deficits. CBD, especially in low-THC products, has an anxiolytic effect but can also lead to tachyphylaxis (reduced effect over time) if overused.

Personal experience

I like to take anywhere from 100 to 300 milligrams of CBD for airplanes. It really helps me sleep on airplanes. I use uh shout out to Adam Wingower, former podcast guest. I use his brand called Element Health, his maximum strength CBD. Um I think Earuffs Kids, cannabis is a great sex drug. Um my wife and I probably average of about once a month, so like 12 times a year, will get high after date night uh for sex. I think it's a great great for sex. Um uh increases sensitivity. It's a little bit of a disinhibiting compound. Um, and that would be about the only time I use THC unless I have an injury or pain and it helps me to sleep and I don't think produces as much issues as like Valium or you know the dasipans.

I think my main takeaway from this study is if you're using THC containing cannabis every night to sleep or you are using five plus milligrams of THC cannabis multiple times per week, you are likely inducing a decent amount of stupidity.

Also said
“This one was a little concerning. It was a metaanalysis showed that cannabis use disorder is associated with moderate deficits in verbal learning memory, speed of processing and working memory.”— Summarizes the key finding of the meta-analysis on cannabis use disorder.
“There is mild I have a whole section about this in my book boundless mild free radical leakage that occurs in the mitochondria in neural tissue in response to THC.”— Explains a potential biological mechanism for THC's negative effects.

High-Dose Melatonin for Jet Lag

WhatTake very high doses of melatonin when crossing multiple time zones.
WhenFirst 1-2 nights after traveling across more than three time zones.
Dose300-900 mg.
For whomIndividuals traveling across multiple time zones who want to mitigate jet lag.
WhyTransforms jet lag by rapidly resetting the body's clock.
CaveatsNo research on the safety of these high doses; proceed at your own risk. May cause grogginess the next morning until exposed to light.

The speaker describes a highly experimental and unresearched protocol for combating jet lag: taking extremely high doses of melatonin (300-900 mg) for the first one to two nights after crossing more than three time zones. He emphasizes that there is no safety research for these doses and advises proceeding at one's own risk. He personally finds this protocol transformative for jet lag, noting that while it causes grogginess the next morning, exposure to light quickly reverses this effect by detaching melatonin from its receptors. He obtains these high-dose melatonin suppositories and lozenges from Dr. John Laurance at Mitosen, highlighting that this is a 'full-on biohacking' approach and not a regular practice for him.

Mechanism

Melatonin is a hormone that regulates sleep-wake cycles. High doses can powerfully signal the body to adjust to a new time zone, overriding the disrupted circadian rhythm. Upon exposure to light, melatonin detaches from receptors, allowing for wakefulness.

Personal experience

I do not use melatonin unless I'm traveling and I've crossed more than three time zones in which case I take and there is no research on the safety of this so proceed at your own risk. I take 300 to 900 mg of melatonin the first one to two nights I have traveled somewhere that's very far away from home and it has transformed my jet leg. Uh you're a little groggy the next morning once light hits your eyes. uh it causes melatonin to detach from receptors and you wake up. Um again, that is full-on biohacking. Proceed at your own risk. I get super highdosese melatonin suppositories and losenes from Dr. John Laurance at Mitosen and that's how I do it. But besides that, I don't use melatonin on a regular basis at all. It's a very much a sometimes drug for me.

I take 300 to 900 mg of melatonin the first one to two nights I have traveled somewhere that's very far away from home and it has transformed my jet leg.

What's new

Personal practice updates, fresh positions, predictions

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Molecular Hydrogen's Mechanism of Action

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A recent redux biology paper elucidated how molecular hydrogen works: it targets the risky iron sulfur protein (RISP) in mitochondrial complex 3, initiating a hormetic response that ultimately improves electron transport chain efficiency and ATP production.

Why this matters: This is a brand new scientific understanding of how a popular supplement works, moving beyond its previous classification as a 'selective antioxidant'.

Background

Previously, hydrogen was understood primarily as a selective antioxidant that scavenged hydroxyl radicals, cleaning up oxidation and preventing cellular damage. Its precise mechanism for enhancing mitochondrial function was not fully clear.

The newly discovered mechanism involves molecular hydrogen (H2) targeting a specific component called the risky iron sulfur protein (RISP) within mitochondrial complex 3. This interaction triggers the degradation of RISP, which initially suppresses the activity of the electron transport chain. However, this temporary stress to the mitochondria initiates a protein unfolding process. This unfolding, in the long term, leads to an increase in the efficiency of the electron transport chain. This is a classic example of hormesis, where a small, transient stress leads to a beneficial adaptation and improved function. The speaker emphasizes that this explains why frequent, small doses of hydrogen are effective, as they provide these mild, repeated stresses.

Its mechanism of action was not fully elucidated until last month and brand new redux biology paper that came out last month actually showed how hydrogen is working and it's pretty cool.

Also said
“So high level here, H2 or hydrogen targets this risk and that triggers degradation of risk de degradation of the iron sulfur protein in the mitochondria.”— Explains the specific target and initial action of hydrogen.
“This is a classic hormetic style adaptation, meaning something that would kill you in large amounts or kill you if sustained for a long period of time is good for you in small and moderate doses.”— Defines the type of biological response observed.

Re-evaluation of Alcohol's Health Impact

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Mark Sisson's article and the speaker's perspective suggest that the negative health impacts of moderate alcohol consumption, particularly wine, may be overstated, especially when considering observational study limitations and lifestyle factors.

Why this matters: Challenges the prevailing narrative that 'no amount of alcohol is safe' by introducing nuance and questioning study methodologies.

Background

The common belief, often cited by health experts, is that there is no safe amount of alcohol and that even small amounts can cause brain atrophy and other negative health effects, primarily based on large observational studies like the UK Biobank.

The speaker references Mark Sisson's nuanced take on alcohol, which critiques the oversimplification of observational data. Sisson argues that studies often aggregate diverse individual experiences into single risk numbers, failing to capture the full picture. For instance, while the UK Biobank study linked any alcohol intake to lower brain volume, the effect size was extremely small (0.4% of global brain volume changes). Other studies, like one in New York, found light to moderate drinking (1-2 drinks/day) associated with *greater* brain volume, especially with wine. The speaker emphasizes that lifestyle factors like aerobic exercise, strength training, good relationships, and sleep have a far greater impact on brain volume than a few glasses of wine per week, rendering the alcohol effect largely moot for those with healthy habits. He also points out that some studies use Mendelian randomization, inferring effects from genes predicting drinking rather than actual consumption, which can be misleading.

I don't think that alcohol is as big a deal as we've kind of been led to believe.

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“The bulk of evidence out there kind of is based on the idea that there's no safe amount of alcohol. And he also mentions that the bulk amount of that evidence is based on observational data.”— Highlights the common perception and the type of data it's based on.
“If you control for all the variables they identified, alcohol explains about 0.4% of global brain volume changes and 0.1% of white matter changes. That's exceedingly small.”— Quantifies the minimal impact of alcohol on brain volume in a key study.
“Ketosis or ketogenesis operates on the same pathways that we use to metabolize and detox alcohol. So if you are a strict ketoic person, alcohol might be a bigger issue for you than people who have a little bit more flexibility in their diet.”— Introduces a specific physiological interaction that can alter alcohol's impact.

Concerns about Melatonin Research

0:46:00

A recent American Heart Association news release linking long-term melatonin use to heart failure hospitalization and mortality is criticized for being based on an abstract with significant methodological flaws and lack of crucial data.

Why this matters: Challenges a high-profile health warning by dissecting the underlying research's weaknesses.

Background

Headlines from the American Heart Association suggested long-term melatonin use could have negative health effects, specifically linking it to heart failure and all-cause mortality, causing widespread concern.

The speaker, referencing Deanna Minnik, critiques the American Heart Association's news release regarding melatonin. He points out that the findings were based on a research abstract, not a full publication, meaning critical details were missing. These missing details include the exact dose of melatonin used, concurrent medications, timing of use, delivery mechanism, and the general health status of the study population. The study included individuals from countries where melatonin is prescription-only, implying these users likely had pre-existing health conditions and chronic insomnia severe enough to warrant medical intervention. The speaker suggests that the observed associations might be due to the underlying health issues of the participants (e.g., depression, anxiety, cardiovascular problems) rather than melatonin itself, or due to the use of high, unmonitored doses. The lack of information on whether the 'non-melatonin' group had ever used melatonin also compromises the study's conclusions. He advises against high doses and suggests monitoring heart health if using melatonin, but emphasizes that the study's findings are far from conclusive.

Really all this study told us was that basically people who probably have a lot of pre-existing health issues and chronic insomnia who have been prescribed or have used a pretty high physiological dose of melatonin may have potential impacts on heart health, but we don't know for sure.

Also said
“First of all, this was a research abstract, not a publication. Meaning, we got no information on the dose of melatonin being used, concurrent medication use, which often occurs in people with insomnia, the timing of the use, the delivery mechanism, or even the general health status of the population, which again um might have been pretty unhealthy to start with due to the fact that they had long-term chronic insomnia.”— Details the critical missing information that undermines the study's conclusions.
“The people seeking a prescription for melatonin likely had health conditions that warranted medical assistance for relieving insomnia, which can have a lot of underlying root causes like depression, anxiety, and cardiovascular issues.”— Suggests confounding factors in the study population.

Microplastics Research Flaws

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A review by the EU food safety authority found that most studies on microplastics and nanoplastics in food packaging are deficient, unreliable, or corrupted due to methodological flaws and contamination.

Why this matters: Challenges the widespread fear surrounding microplastics by highlighting significant scientific shortcomings in existing research.

Background

There's a pervasive belief that microplastics are ubiquitous and pose a significant threat, with headlines often claiming people consume a 'credit card's worth' of plastic weekly.

The speaker discusses a tweet by Simon Mockley and a subsequent review by the EU food safety authority, which critically assessed 122 major studies on microplastics and nanoplastics in food packaging. The EU's top food scientists concluded that the majority of these studies were unreliable, deficient, or corrupted. They identified widespread methodological flaws, misidentification of particles, and rampant background contamination, meaning labs were often detecting plastics that weren't actually from the tested packages. In many cases, the methods used couldn't even detect anything meaningful. The speaker suggests that the alarmist headlines about microplastics are often driven by lawsuits, lobbying, and clickbait journalism, creating a 'fake enemy' while potentially diverting attention from more established risks like air pollution or pesticide exposure. The EU report called for standardized tests, better detection methods, and contextualizing risks to avoid confusing background noise with real exposure. While acknowledging that microplastics exist, the speaker advises against excessive fear, focusing instead on practical steps like avoiding heating food in plastic or drinking hot beverages from plastic-lined containers.

The EU food safety authority recently reviewed 122 major studies on microplastics and nanoplastics in food packaging. Their verdict was that most of these studies were deficient, unreliable, or corrupted.

Also said
“They found methodological flaws. They found widespread misidentification. and they found rampant background contamination, meaning a lot of these labs were finding particles that weren't even in the packages that they were testing.”— Details the specific types of flaws found in the microplastics research.
“So then how do we go from sketchy lab data to headlines that are screaming that you have like a credit card worth of plastics in your brain? Well, part of it has been lawsuits. Part of it has been lobbying. Part of it has been clickbait journalism because as Simon notes, fear sells.”— Explains the potential drivers behind the alarmist microplastics narrative.

Recommendations

Products, supplements, and tools mentioned in the episode

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Austin Regenerative Therapy

Service

A clinic in Austin, Texas, where the speaker and his wife underwent various regenerative and aesthetic treatments.

The speaker and his wife visited Austin Regenerative Therapy for a 'medical tourism' trip. He received 3 liters of young human plasma infusion, a 'human regenerative tactic.' His wife underwent a 'wing lift' (for women's downstairs department), other aesthetic protocols, facial treatments, and a plasma exchange (an 'oil change for the body') where her plasma was replaced with albumin and IV nutrients. The speaker also received sexual treatments, Botox, and V-cell injections (activated blood stressed with a laser) into his face. He highly recommends the clinic and Dr. Wyn.

Personal experience

I had 3 lers of young human plasma infused into my body. That's just what it sounds like. didn't bring my own blood boy, but 18 to 24 year old healthy male donor plasma infused into my body as a sort of human regenerative tactic. Uh my wife got a uh she's going to hate that I'm sharing this. She got a wing lift which uh is exactly what it sounds like for the downstairs department for women. Uh along with some other aesthetic protocols there and some facial stuff. And then she did a plasma exchange where they pull the plasma out as a sort of oil change for the body and replaced that with albumin and some IV nutrients. Uh I did also some sexual stuff, some Botox. I had my blood pulled out stressed with a laser uh to activate so-called V cells, very small embryionic cells, and had those injected back into the body, including the face, which hurt like a mother.

The name of the place where we did all the treatment and therapies, if any of you want to look into it, it's Austin Regenerative Therapy.

Also said
“Shout out to the amazing team there and Dr. Wyn.”— Highlights the positive experience with the staff and specific doctor.
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Kuya

Service

A wellness center in Austin, Texas, offering various therapies.

The speaker and his wife visited Kuya in Austin, where they engaged in several wellness activities. These included couples ketamine therapy, float tank sessions, IVs, and hot/cold therapies. He gives a 'shout out' to Kuya, indicating a positive experience.

Personal experience

And then while in Austin, we visited Kuya. Shout out to Kuya. We did some We did couples ketamine therapy there. We did a float tank. Uh, we did IVs. We did hot cold.

And then while in Austin, we visited Kuya. Shout out to Kuya.

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Alive and Well

Service

A wellness center in Austin, Texas, known for massages and hyperbaric chambers.

The speaker visited Alive and Well in Austin, specifically mentioning it has 'the best massages in Austin.' He received a massage there and also utilized their hyperbaric chamber. He gives a 'shout out' to the facility, implying a positive experience.

Personal experience

We visited uh Alive and Well, shout out to Alive and Well, the best massages in Austin. got a massage there and did um their hyperbaric chamber.

We visited uh Alive and Well, shout out to Alive and Well, the best massages in Austin.

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Hydrogen Tablets

Supplement

A convenient and relatively inexpensive way to get hydrogen, though not the highest ppm.

Hydrogen tablets are magnesium-based tablets that dissolve in water, producing hydrogen gas. The speaker notes they are effective and convenient, especially for travel, as they can be easily carried and used with a bottle of water. However, they don't achieve the highest parts per million (ppm) of hydrogen compared to other methods, typically topping out around 2 ppm. He mentions that while effective, they are currently a 'cash cow' in the supplement industry due to high profit margins. He recommends checking brands from Gary Breca, Organifi, and Water and Wellness as good options.

vs alternatives

Lower ppm than hydrogen water bottles or inhalation machines, but more portable and inexpensive.

Personal experience

I won't lie, it's kind of a cash cow right now in the supplements industry. Uh, meaning I've seen how much it costs to get a hydrogen tablet and how much these things are sold for. And I'm a capitalist. I have nothing against this, but people are making a lot of money selling hydrogen tablets. Uh maybe I should have gotten into the hydrogen tablet game. Um but anyways, they are effective. They do work. Um you want to make sure that you've got access to good clean versions. Um I know my friend uh Gary Brea, he talks about his. It's called um going to blank on the name. Just Google Gary Brea Hydrogen. He's got a good brand. I think Organifi just launched a brand. Uh Water and Wellness has a brand. Those are three that I know are are good.

The way these tablets work is you drop one or two, I often do three into a glass of water. They take about 3 to 5 minutes to dissolve or to react. They're basically a magnesium based tablet. And then they produce hydrogen, which off gases pretty fast. You want to drink it soon. and it is a quick uh transportable relatively inexpensive way to get hydrogen, although it's not a huge ppm dosage.

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Echo Hydrogen Water Bottle

Tool

A portable bottle that generates higher ppm hydrogen water than tablets.

Hydrogen water bottles like those from Echo can produce a higher concentration of hydrogen (ppm) in water compared to tablets, and the lid helps prevent off-gassing. These bottles typically cost $150-$300 and can last for about 300 sessions, making them potentially more cost-effective than tablets over time. A concern exists about potential metal leaching from the internal plates, though the speaker notes his own metal tests remain low despite frequent use. He mentions 10X partnered with Echo for the bottles he uses.

vs alternatives

Higher ppm than tablets, but less convenient than tablets for travel and more expensive upfront. Lower ppm than inhalation machines.

Personal experience

The brand that I've been using, I got these from, uh, the company 10X. Uh, I I think Echo is who 10X partnered with on the hydrogen bottles.

An example of this would be the company Echo. And you can get a higher ppm of hydrogen in those bottles. Um, and the lid stays on so it doesn't off gas as quickly.

Also said
“There has been some concern in the industry about the potential for these bottles to have some metal in the water that you drink because the water does get exposed to a metal plate. Um, I've seen no analyses of the actual metal levels. I use these bottles frequently. I get my own metals tested and I'm rock bottom low on metals.”— Addresses a common concern about hydrogen water bottles and the speaker's personal experience.
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H2 Inhale Hydrogen Inhalation Machine

Tool

A machine for breathing concentrated hydrogen gas, considered the best way to get hydrogen.

The H2 Inhale machine is a device that uses diluted water and an internal balloon to concentrate hydrogen, which is then breathed through a mask. The speaker considers this the 'best way to get hydrogen' due to its ability to deliver super high concentrations (4% hydrogen), providing the equivalent of hundreds of bottles of hydrogen water in a single 30-45 minute session. He uses it daily during his mid-day nap, experiencing benefits like reduced soreness, better recovery, and improved sleep. He cautions about the quality of such machines, as some can be poorly made or pose explosion risks, but endorses H2 Inhale as a reliable option.

vs alternatives

Highest throughput and concentration compared to tablets or water bottles.

Personal experience

The one that I like that I use, I don't think it's the only good one out there, but uh is H2 inhale. H2 inhale. That's in my lounge. I'm like addicted to it. I feel so good after I use it. Lower soreness, better recovery, better sleep. Um, it's just fighting inflammation on a lot of fronts and increasing ATP production.

The one that I like that I use, I don't think it's the only good one out there, but uh is H2 inhale. H2 inhale.

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Lumati Hydrogen Diffusion Unit (for baths)

Tool

A unit that diffuses hydrogen into bathwater for transdermal absorption.

The Lumati hydrogen diffusion unit is used to infuse hydrogen directly into bathwater, allowing for transdermal absorption. The speaker personally owns one and uses it about once a week for 20-40 minute baths. He finds this method super relaxing and effective for delivering a significant amount of hydrogen. He even installed a bathtub in his garage specifically for this purpose, complete with a red light and a sous vide wand to maintain water temperature. He also adds Ancient Minerals magnesium flakes to the bath for added benefits.

vs alternatives

Offers transdermal absorption, which is different from oral or inhalation methods, and can be combined with other bath therapies.

Personal experience

I have the ladder. I got it from a company based out of San Diego called Lumati. Um, literally have a we built this brand new house in Idaho. And I realized after the fact, uh, this sounds super dumb, but I turned to my wife a few weeks after living in the house and I'm like, "Do you realize we don't have a bathtub?" She's like, "Yeah, yeah. I didn't think we needed one. Um, and and she did a lot of the house design. So, I'm like, screw that. I'm not going to live till I'm 90 years old in a house without a bathtub. So, I uh had a bathtub put in the garage with a curtain around it. I got a red light over it. Super relaxing. And you fill it up with this hydrogen diffusion unit from Lumati.

I have the ladder. I got it from a company based out of San Diego called Lumati.

Also said
“So, it's transdermal hydrogen absorption. and you can get a lot delivered with about 20 to 40 minutes of immersion.”— Explains the mechanism and duration of use for the hydrogen bath.
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Karen Martell (Hormone Specialist)

Service

A hormone specialist who has worked with the speaker's wife on hormone replacement therapy.

Karen Martell is one of two primary hormone specialists the speaker's wife has worked with for hormone replacement therapy. The speaker trusts her and has been impressed with her approach. She was also a former podcast guest, indicating her expertise and the speaker's confidence in her knowledge.

Personal experience

My wife is on hormone replacement therapy. Um, she's worked with a couple people during that journey. Uh, the two primary people that she has worked with are Karen Martell, former podcast guest, and we'll link to her stuff in the show notes.

The two primary people that she has worked with are Karen Martell, former podcast guest, and we'll link to her stuff in the show notes.

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Dr. Rosensweet (Bright Clinic)

Service

A hormone specialist at Bright Clinic who uses plant-based, low-toxin hormone creams.

Dr. Rosensweet, associated with the Bright Clinic, is another hormone specialist who has worked with the speaker's wife. She specializes in using plant-based, low-toxin progesterone, estrogen, and testosterone creams. The speaker trusts her and has been impressed with her approach. His wife's experience includes daily logging of symptoms, which Dr. Rosensweet reviews to make real-time recommendations, indicating a highly personalized and responsive care model. Their initial consultation was extensive, lasting about 90 minutes.

Personal experience

My wife right now, uh, she's working with Bright Clinic and Dr. Rosenswuite. Every day, like, she logs in and fills out this super quick questionnaire about her symptoms and everything, and the doctor actually sees that on the other end and can make on the fly recommendations. Um, I'll hunt down their information and Karen Martell's information because those are the two people my wife has worked with who I trust and I've been impressed with them. But this Dr. Rosen sweep from the Bright Clinic and then Karen Martell.

And also Dr. Rosenuite, who uses more of like these plant-based, low toxin progesterone, estrogen, uh, creams and testosterone creams.

Also said
“I mean when my wife started working with Rosensweet they talked to the phone for like 90 minutes, right? Full health history, cycle history, pregnancy history, miscarriage history, trauma history, stress, sleep, gut, thyroid, autoimmune, family history, genetics, detailed symptom mapping, not just like, hey, do you get hot flashes or not?”— Illustrates the thoroughness of the initial consultation with Dr. Rosensweet.
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Game Day (Clinic)

Service

A clinic specializing in men's health, now expanding into women's health.

Game Day clinic, previously known for its focus on men's health, is now developing services for women's health (potentially under a name like 'Her Day' or 'Game Her'). The speaker recommends them as a reputable option, noting they are not a 'fly by night pill mill,' suggesting a higher standard of care compared to some other clinics.

vs alternatives

Presented as a reputable alternative to 'fly by night pill mills'.

There's also a clinic called Game Day that has specialized in men's health for a while and now they are also moving into women's health. I think it's called something like her day, she day, game her, game she, I don't know. Um, something like that. But Game Day, if you just go to their website, and I'll link to it in the show notes, they're also rolling stuff out and they're they're pretty good. They're not one of those fly by night pill mills.

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Wild Health Network

Service

A network of precision medicine doctors across the US.

The Wild Health Network is mentioned as another example of a reputable source for good medical care. It's described as a network of precision medicine doctors located throughout the United States, known for practicing 'pretty good medicine.' This suggests they align with the speaker's criteria for high-quality, integrated healthcare.

Another example that would be on there would be the uh the Wild Health Network, which is a network of precision medicine docs scattered around the US. uh they also tend to practice pretty good medicine.

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Element Health Maximum Strength CBD

Supplement

A CBD product used by the speaker for sleep on airplanes.

The speaker uses Element Health's maximum strength CBD, a brand associated with Adam Wingower (a former podcast guest), specifically for helping him sleep on airplanes. He takes a dose of 100-300 milligrams for this purpose. He notes that CBD, especially low-THC versions, has an anxiolytic effect.

Personal experience

I like to take anywhere from 100 to 300 milligrams of CBD for airplanes. It really helps me sleep on airplanes. I use uh shout out to Adam Wingower, former podcast guest. I use his brand called Element Health, his maximum strength CBD.

I use uh shout out to Adam Wingower, former podcast guest. I use his brand called Element Health, his maximum strength CBD.

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High-Dose Melatonin Suppositories and Lozenges (from Mitosen)

Supplement

A specialized form of melatonin used by the speaker for extreme jet lag.

The speaker obtains super high-dose melatonin in suppository and lozenge forms from Dr. John Laurance at Mitosen. He uses these specifically for severe jet lag when crossing more than three time zones, taking 300-900 mg for the first 1-2 nights. He emphasizes this is a 'full-on biohacking' approach with no safety research for such high doses and is not for regular use.

vs alternatives

Significantly higher dose and different delivery method (suppository/lozenge) than typical over-the-counter melatonin pills.

Personal experience

I get super highdosese melatonin suppositories and losenes from Dr. John Laurance at Mitosen and that's how I do it. But besides that, I don't use melatonin on a regular basis at all. It's a very much a sometimes drug for me.

I get super highdosese melatonin suppositories and losenes from Dr. John Laurance at Mitosen and that's how I do it.

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Boundless

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A book by the speaker that includes a section on how to find good doctors and a directory of recommended clinics.

DisclosureThe speaker is the author of this book.

The speaker mentions his book, 'Boundless,' as a resource for finding high-quality healthcare practitioners. He states that the book contains a dedicated section on how to vet and find good doctors and dentists, along with a comprehensive directory of clinics, dentists, and doctors that he personally recommends. This serves as a practical guide for those seeking reliable health professionals.

Personal experience

If you have my book, Boundless, there is a section in my book, Boundless, I realize I'm I'm upselling you here on my book that really takes a deep dive into how to find a good doctor, how to find a good dentist, full list and directory of all of the different clinics, dentists, doctors, etc. who I recommend.

If you have my book, Boundless, there is a section in my book, Boundless, I realize I'm I'm upselling you here on my book that really takes a deep dive into how to find a good doctor, how to find a good dentist, full list and directory of all of the different clinics, dentists, doctors, etc. who I recommend.

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Notable quotes

Lines worth pulling out — contrarian, specific, or perfectly phrased

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This is a classic hormetic style adaptation, meaning something that would kill you in large amounts or kill you if sustained for a long period of time is good for you in small and moderate doses.
Provides a concise and clear definition of hormesis, a key concept in health and longevity.
I'm a capitalist. I have nothing against this, but people are making a lot of money selling hydrogen tablets. Uh maybe I should have gotten into the hydrogen tablet game.
Offers a candid, behind-the-scenes perspective on the economics of the supplement industry.
I'm like screw that. I'm not going to live till I'm 90 years old in a house without a bathtub. So, I uh had a bathtub put in the garage with a curtain around it. I got a red light over it. Super relaxing.
Illustrates the speaker's dedication to his wellness practices, even to the point of unconventional home modifications.
I don't think that alcohol is as big a deal as we've kind of been led to believe.
A concise summary of the speaker's contrarian stance on alcohol, challenging widely accepted health advice.
I think my main takeaway from this study is if you're using THC containing cannabis every night to sleep or you are using five plus milligrams of THC cannabis multiple times per week, you are likely inducing a decent amount of stupidity.
A blunt and memorable warning about the cognitive effects of chronic THC use.
Do not lay awake at night with insomnia, that you have a credit card's worth of microplastics in your brain. And if you do, uh, don't take too much melatonin.
A humorous and practical summary of the speaker's nuanced take on microplastics and melatonin, emphasizing a balanced perspective over fear.

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