Women lose roughly 30% of their skin collagen thickness in the first 5 years after menopause, while men lose ~1% per year, explaining why many women feel their skin ages overnight.
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The most effective topical regimen is a morning vitamin C serum (ideally combined with vitamin E) plus SPF 30+, and a nightly retinoid (tretinoin or retinol; bakuchiol if sensitive).
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Botox should not be used as ‘prejuvenation’ in youth—start only when dynamic wrinkles bother you to avoid antibody development and unnecessary medical risk.
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For fillers, stick with hyaluronic acid products, stay under 2–3 syringes per session (1 for lips, 0.5 per under-eye, 1–2 per cheek), and ensure your injector is supervised by a board-certified dermatologist or plastic surgeon.
Protocols
Concrete recipes — what, when, how much, and why
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Morning skincare routine: Cleanse, vitamin C serum, SPF
WhatCleanse with a gentle facial cleanser (foaming if oily, milky if dry/sensitive), apply a stabilized vitamin C serum (ideally combined with vitamin E), then apply broad-spectrum SPF 30+ sunscreen.
WhenEvery morning.
DoseApply a pea-sized amount of vitamin C serum and a nickel-sized amount of sunscreen. Reapply sunscreen every 2 hours if outdoors continuously.
For whomAll adults, especially peri- and postmenopausal women.
WhyVitamin C is an antioxidant and a cofactor for collagen synthesis; sunscreen prevents photoaging and skin cancer.
CaveatsEnsure vitamin C is in an opaque container and not brown (oxidized); mineral sunscreens can leave white cast; chemical sunscreens may contain oxybenzone/octinoxate but most brands now exclude them.
Dr. Yun stressed that the morning routine is simple but foundational. He described how vitamin C not only protects but actively participates in collagen production, likening deficiency to scurvy in sailors. Pairing vitamins C and E can enhance efficacy, which he incorporated into his own product. He is realistic about sunscreen compliance: mineral formulas are safe but may feel thick; chemical ones are elegant, and the two concerning filters are largely phased out. He personally skips sunscreen on dark winter days but wears it whenever he’ll be in the sun, urging patients to find a formula they’ll actually use—powder, stick, lotion—as adherence is what matters.
Mechanism
Vitamin C neutralizes free radicals and is required for collagen cross-linking; vitamin E regenerates oxidized vitamin C. Sunscreen blocks UVA/UVB that degrade collagen and cause pigmentation.
The most important thing other than cleansing your skin … is to apply a vitamin C serum. … applying a vitamin C serum every morning will protect your skin, but also help for production of collagen.
Also said
“If you combine vitamin C and vitamin E together, they can be synergistic together.”— Highlights the enhanced benefit of pairing the two antioxidants.
WhatCleanse skin thoroughly, then apply a retinoid (prescription tretinoin or over-the-counter retinol). If sensitivity is a problem, substitute with bakuchiol, peptides, or growth factor serums.
WhenEvery night, ideally giving skin 6–8 hours of uninterrupted treatment.
DoseStart with a low concentration (e.g., 0.5% retinol or 0.025% tretinoin) 2–3 nights per week, gradually increasing to nightly as tolerated. A pea-sized amount for the whole face.
For whomAnyone interested in anti-aging; those with very sensitive skin should use bakuchiol or other alternatives.
WhyRetinoids are the most proven anti-aging ingredient; they increase cell turnover, stimulate collagen, improve texture, and may help prevent skin cancers.
CaveatsTretinoin can cause redness, peeling, and photosensitivity—use sunscreen rigorously. He and his wife couldn’t tolerate 0.1% tretinoin. Percentages are not standardized across brands. Bakuchiol is well-tolerated but may be less potent.
Dr. Yun explained that nighttime is ideal because skin rests and products aren’t washed or rubbed away. He recommends prescription tretinoin for those who can tolerate it, but himself uses a milder retinol cream after his painful experience with high-strength tretinoin left both him and his wife bright red and peeling. Drugstore retinols like ROC are affordable starting points. For intolerant skin, he highlighted bakuchiol, which a small study found comparable to retinol for anti-aging, as well as peptides and growth factors that act as cellular messengers to boost collagen. He noted that dermatologists generally prefer retinoids over peptides for efficacy, but peptides are a solid budget option.
Mechanism
Retinoids create a controlled acute inflammation that leads to a reduction in chronic inflammation (a hormetic effect). They accelerate epidermal turnover, clear pores, and stimulate fibroblasts to produce collagen. Tretinoin may also normalize atypical cells, reducing skin cancer risk.
Personal experience
My wife and I were both prescribed 0.1% tretinoin and applied it every night. After a week and a half, our faces were bright red, on fire, peeling and flaking. I only tolerate retinol now because tretinoin is too strong for me.
At night. … I do recommend applying some type of a treatment. Now the first one we usually recommend is a retinoid. … it's the jack of all trades, the number one most studied and probably most effective anti-aging skincare ingredient.
Also said
“Bakuchiol … kind of like a plant-based alternative to retinol. … there was a small study that compared buchial to retinol head-to-head for anti-aging effects and found very similar effects between the two.”— Presents a viable alternative for those who cannot tolerate retinoids.
Exfoliation routine
WhatExfoliate with a gentle scrub or a chemical exfoliant (e.g., glycolic acid).
When2–3 times per week for normal skin; once per week for sensitive skin.
DoseUse enough product to cover face; avoid over-scrubbing.
For whomMost adults, especially those with rough texture.
WhyExfoliation removes the outer layer of dead skin cells and signals deeper cells to turn over faster, countering the natural slowdown of skin renewal with age.
CaveatsIf skin becomes red or irritated, reduce frequency.
Mechanism
Mechanical or chemical removal of the stratum corneum triggers a wound-healing response that boosts cell proliferation.
I usually recommend to exfoliate your skin. If you have quote unquote normal skin, maybe two to three times a week. If you're sensitive, maybe once a week. You'll know you're overexfoliating if you find that your skin is irritated.
Start neurotoxin when wrinkles become bothersome
WhatInject botulinum toxin (Botox, Dysport, or Daxify) into dynamic wrinkle zones—glabellar lines, crow’s feet, and forehead.
WhenWhen wrinkles first appear at rest or during expression and start to bother you; repeat every 3–4 months (or up to 6 months with Daxify in some).
DoseDose determined by injector; typical follow-up every 3–4 months.
For whomAdults who have dynamic wrinkles that trouble them; not for prevention in youthful skin.
WhyPrevents static lines from becoming permanently etched; once deep wrinkles set, they cannot be fully erased.
CaveatsAvoid black-market or unqualified injectors. Potential temporary eyelid droop (can be treated with apraclonidine eye drops). Rare development of antibodies that may reduce future efficacy. Baby Botox in wrinkle-free 20-somethings is discouraged.
Dr. Yun reviewed the five FDA-approved toxins: Botox is the gold standard, Dysport may give a softer result, and Daxify claims longer duration though results vary. He personally uses and offers Botox, Dysport, and Daxify; he stopped using Jeuveau after finding shorter wear-off in his patients. He warned that delaying treatment too long can lead to permanent creases, just as hand wrinkles never disappear even with filler. To prevent complications, he insists patients choose an injector supervised by a board-certified dermatologist or plastic surgeon.
Mechanism
Blocks acetylcholine release at the neuromuscular junction, preventing muscle contraction and the folding of skin that forms wrinkles.
When you start seeing those wrinkles and they're starting to bother you. … You don't want to wait too long because there are wrinkles that can get inset and they can get deep and no matter what you do with them … they're just not going to go away.
Also said
“I'm not a fan doing medical procedures that are not necessary period.”— Underscores his opposition to prophylactic botox.
Safe filler volumes
WhatUse hyaluronic acid (HA) fillers like Juvederm or Restylane, starting with: lips 1 syringe, cheeks 1–2 syringes per side, under-eyes 0.5 syringes per side. Total per session no more than 2–3 syringes.
WhenWhen volume loss is bothersome; top up as effects fade (6 months to 2+ years).
DoseVolumes as above; repeat only when previous filler has significantly diminished.
For whomIndividuals seeking restoration of facial volume and smoother contours.
CaveatsOnly use HA fillers because they have an antidote (hyaluronidase) in case of vascular occlusion. Avoid permanent fillers—their problems are permanent. Under-eye area is high-risk; stay conservative. Swelling after lips is normal and subsides. Fat transfer is less predictable (30–50% resorption).
Dr. Yun drew a sharp line between natural enhancement and the overfilled ‘Real Housewives’ look, which requires six to eight syringes. He encourages patients to start small—you can always add more. For lips, one syringe provides a mild to moderate change; the initial swelling can be shocking but settles quickly. For cheeks, 1–1.5 syringes per side usually suffice. He downplayed migration fears, explaining that movement is limited to a millimeter or two around active muscles. His key safety warning: inject only HA fillers under qualified supervision because intravascular injection can cause tissue death or blindness, but HA can be dissolved with hyaluronidase.
Mechanism
HA fillers occupy space, attract water, and stimulate collagen over time, providing immediate volume and long-term skin quality improvement.
Not to inject more than about two to three syringes if you're going to get it done.
Also said
“The problem with permanent fillers is that they're permanent problems.”— Powerfully states the danger of non-HA fillers.
Choose an injector supervised by a dermatologist or plastic surgeon
WhatWhen seeking neurotoxin or filler injections, ensure the provider works under the direct oversight of a board-certified dermatologist or plastic surgeon, even if injected by an NP, PA, or RN.
WhenBefore booking any cosmetic injection appointment.
For whomAnyone considering injectable treatments.
WhyThese specialties are trained in facial anatomy and complications; they can manage vascular occlusions and other adverse events that other MDs may not be equipped to handle.
CaveatsSimply having an MD as a medical director does not guarantee competence—that doctor should be a dermatologist or plastic surgeon.
Personal experience
I've had patients come to me with complications from injections and when I asked who the medical director was, they didn't know—it was some family doc who couldn't treat the problem. That's why they ended up at my door.
Make sure that they are working with either a plastic surgeon or dermatologist. That is the key.
What's new
Personal practice updates, fresh positions, predictions
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collagen-loss-acceleration-menopause
Women lose 30% of dermal collagen thickness in the first 5 years after menopause, compared to the steady 1% annual loss in men and pre-menopausal women.
Why this matters: Quantifies the rapid skin aging many women describe and ties it directly to estrogen decline, which medicine often dismisses as cosmetic.
Background
Both sexes begin losing collagen at about 1% per year starting in their mid-20s. Menopause triggers a sharp acceleration.
Dr. Yun explained that estrogen binds to receptors on fibroblasts, which produce collagen and elastin, the structural scaffolding of skin. Without estrogen, fibroblast activity plummets, causing a collapse in collagen and elastin maintenance, a decline in hyaluronic acid (the skin’s natural moisturizer), reduced sebaceous gland oil production, and slowed cellular turnover. The result isn’t just cosmetic: older women often develop tissue-paper skin that tears easily, while men’s skin remains thicker. The 30% loss over the first five postmenopausal years, followed by ~2% annually, explains why women feel their longtime skincare suddenly stops working—the biological environment has fundamentally changed, and fighting the accelerated decline requires a different strategy. He emphasized that the phenomenon is real and not psychosomatic, and that multiple interventions can help.
women lose 30% of the thickness of their collagen in the first 5 years after menopause.
Also said
“The way I describe it to my patients is that it's kind of like the logs of a log cabin. … when you're younger those logs are nice and tight. … But as you get older they start to fray. They start to fall apart. They get weaker.”— Provides a vivid analogy for collagen breakdown.
“That's why you see women who maybe are in their 70s or 80s and some of them have literally tissue paper thin skin to where you scratch them and the skin tears. You don't see it quite as thin in men as they get older.”— Illustrates the real-world consequence of estrogen-driven thinning.
hrt-skin-collagen-evidence-limited
Systemic HRT can improve skin collagen, but existing studies are few and inconsistent—one showed 30% increase in 12 months, another 6% in 6 months—and he finds the higher figure suspect.
Why this matters: Cautions against overstating HRT’s skin benefits and reveals how sparse the clinical evidence remains.
Background
Many women hope HRT will reverse skin aging, but the data is nascent.
Dr. Yun reviewed the handful of studies: one reported a 30% collagen increase after 12 months of HRT using biopsies, which he considers ‘pretty aggressive’ and likely exaggerated; another showed only a 6% gain at 6 months. He stressed that HRT ‘definitely helps’ but that the true magnitude is unknown. No head-to-head studies exist comparing systemic HRT to topical estrogen or to retinoids for skin collagen outcomes. Similarly, the question of whether adding topical estrogen to systemic HRT yields extra benefit is supported by only preliminary, small studies. He therefore advises realistic expectations until more rigorous research emerges.
We do know that it definitely helps. … the quantification we're still figuring out. There aren't a lot of studies.
Also said
“There was one study … after 12 months of HRT an increase about 30% of the collagen in the skin … but there was another study 6 months showed about 6% increase. … 30% sounds pretty aggressive to me. So I question whether that's truly accurate.”— Gives the specific numbers and his skepticism.
topical-estrogen-early-science-not-prescribed
Applying estradiol (or estriol) to the face shows early promise, but the evidence is weak, estriol studies are often industry-funded, and Dr. Yun does not prescribe topical estrogen himself, deferring to hormone experts.
Why this matters: A respected plastic surgeon draws a line despite patient interest, highlighting the evidence gap.
Background
Some women use vaginal estrogen on their face; social media has amplified interest.
He noted that a few small studies show significant collagen improvements with estradiol on the skin. Estriol, a weaker estrogen, has even less data—only a couple of very small, possibly industry-funded trials. An open question is whether topical estrogen adds benefit when a woman is already on systemic HRT; early, limited studies hint at a positive effect. He personally does not prescribe topical estrogen because he is not a hormone expert and believes prescribing should be left to dermatologists and gynecologists. Without head-to-head trials against proven topicals like retinoids, women cannot yet know how to best allocate their resources.
I do not [prescribe topical estrogen] just because I feel myself that I I'm not an expert at it. … I'm not a hormone expert.
Also said
“Estriol … there's only a couple of really small studies and they may even be industry funded and so there's not a lot of science there for estriol at this moment.”— Clarifies why estriol hype may be premature.
pdrn-salmon-dna-us-loophole
PDRN (salmon DNA) bio-stimulators, injected widely in Korea, are not FDA-approved for injection in the U.S., but practitioners legally apply them topically after microneedling; he expects full approval within 1–2 years.
Why this matters: Reveals a trendy but unapproved treatment and a regulatory workaround.
Background
Korean aesthetic trends often feature bio-stimulators like Regeron; influencers report dramatic results.
Dr. Yun described polydeoxyribonucleotides (PDRN) as bio-stimulators that promote collagen synthesis and reduce inflammation. In Korea, products like Regeron are injected via dozens of subcutaneous needles—a painful procedure. The FDA has not cleared such use, but American practitioners can legally perform microneedling and apply PDRN topically, allowing the product to seep into micro-channels. He expects injectable approval within the next year or two. Anecdotal reports are impressive, but rigorous studies are missing. While influencers may travel to Korea for stacked procedures (often comped), he emphasized that average people don’t need to chase such costly and unproven extremes, as effective domestic options exist.
Here in the US, it's not FDA approved for that. It is illegal to do it that way, but it's not illegal to use the product as a topical. … they're applying the PDRN the salmon DNA … on top of it and then the idea … it seeps into those tiny little holes made by the micro needling and it rejuvenates the skin from the inside out.
Also said
“In Korea, they will actually inject it underneath the skin, literally like dozens of injections throughout the face. And they say it's one of the most painful non-surgical treatments.”— Highlights why the U.S. workaround exists.
baby-botox-prejuvenation-concerns
Dr. Yun strongly opposes using Botox preventatively in young people with no wrinkles, due to the risk of developing antibodies that could make future Botox ineffective and the principle that unnecessary medical procedures should be avoided.
Why this matters: A leading plastic surgeon takes an ethical stand against a lucrative trend.
Background
‘Baby Botox’ and ‘prejuvenation’ are popular on social media, promising to stop wrinkles before they start.
He argued that Botox is a medical procedure, not a cosmetic product, and should only be performed when there is a real need. Repeated exposure can lead to antibody formation, which may render Botox useless later in life when dynamic wrinkles actually appear. He noted that patients often say they won’t care about aging at 60, but in his decades of practice, people of every decade do care. Starting Botox too early wastes a treatment window and introduces unnecessary risk. The appropriate time to begin is when wrinkles begin to bother you.
I'm not a fan doing medical procedures that are not necessary period. If you don't need it, then why inject it?
Also said
“Are you using Botox now and then when you actually need it in the future, it doesn't work anymore?”— Poses the practical, long-term risk.
sunscreen-filter-fda-lag
The FDA has not approved a new sunscreen filter since 1999, leaving U.S. consumers with greasier, less elegant options than those available in Korea and other countries; a new approval may finally be coming.
Why this matters: Explains why American sunscreens feel inferior and may reduce daily compliance.
Background
Only 15% of Americans wear sunscreen daily; product feel is a major barrier.
Dr. Yun pointed out that the last FDA approval of a new sunscreen filter was in the 1990s. In countries like Korea, advanced filters produce sunscreens that feel like a lightweight moisturizer, while U.S. mineral and chemical alternatives often feel thick or greasy. The FDA only recently signaled they might approve a new filter—the first since the 1900s. He also noted that the two chemical filters most often flagged as potential hormone disruptors (oxybenzone and octinoxate) are increasingly being omitted by manufacturers, making most current chemical sunscreens safer. He himself doesn’t apply sunscreen daily if not in the sun, but stresses it is essential for any sun exposure to prevent skin cancer and photoaging.
The FDA has not approved a new filter since 1999. Since the 1900s, the last time they approved a new sunscreen filter.
Also said
“I went to Korea with my family and we bought a ton of sunscreens… it's like you put a moisturizer on your skin in the morning and you'd forget that you have it on.”— Illustrates the cosmetic gap between U.S. and Korean formulas.
filler-migration-overstated
The fear of filler migrating across the face is exaggerated; movement is limited to at most a millimeter or two near contracting muscles, not crossing tissue planes.
Why this matters: Counters a pervasive online anxiety with anatomical reality.
Background
Viral posts claim fillers can drift years later, causing unnatural puffiness.
Dr. Yun explained that tissue planes compartmentalize fillers; once placed, they don’t travel around like free fluid. In areas with constant muscle contraction, such as around the lips or eyes, a filler might shift a millimeter or two, but the notion that forehead filler could end up in the chin is anatomically impossible. This should reassure patients, though he still advocates conservative volumes to avoid any subtle displacement.
I think the migration is overstated. … We do know that if you're injecting a filler in and around let's say muscles and those muscles are constantly contracting, can it move that filler a millimeter or two potentially? I think it's definitely possible. But is it going to move all around your face? No.
Recommendations
Products, supplements, and tools mentioned in the episode
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SkinCeuticals CE Ferulic
Product
A high-end vitamin C serum containing vitamin C, vitamin E, and ferulic acid, considered legendary in skincare circles. Priced around $180.
Dr. Yun cited this as a benchmark product because of its synergistic combination of vitamins C and E and its well-established reputation. He used it as inspiration for his own antioxidant serum but acknowledged its high cost, suggesting that similar formulations can be found at lower price points. He clarified that expensive does not necessarily mean better.
vs alternatives
Compared to his own Youn Beauty C Antioxidant Serum, which offers the same synergistic philosophy at a lower cost.
There is a company called Skin Sudicles. I don't have any relationship with them, but they have a serum called CE Furuic, which is legendary.
An affordable over-the-counter retinol available at drugstores, cited as a solid starting point for those new to retinoids.
Dr. Yun highlighted ROC as an example of a quality drugstore retinol that disproves the notion that higher price equals better results. He noted that percentage claims on retinol products are not standardized, so a 1% retinol from one brand may behave very differently from another, making it wise to start with accessible, well-tolerated options like ROC.
vs alternatives
Less expensive than many prestige brands but capable of delivering comparable anti-aging benefits when used consistently.
There are good retinols that from drugstore brands like Rock ROC. … that's just a drugstore brand. They've got a really nice retinol.
Save money on cleansers, toners, and inactive moisturizers
Practice
Skip expensive cleansers because they don’t stay on skin long enough to deliver active benefits. Avoid astringent toners with alcohol, which disrupt the skin microbiome and can trigger rebound oiliness. Don’t pay a premium for a moisturizer that only hydrates without active ingredients like peptides, retinol, or growth factors.
Dr. Yun broke down where to trim skincare spending: a simple, gentle facial cleanser appropriate for your skin type (foaming for oily, milky for dry) does the job without costing much—bar soap should be avoided because it leaves residue. Toners with alcohol damage the microbiome and can paradoxically increase oil production; modern toners that claim to balance pH are rarely necessary with today’s mild cleansers. Expensive ‘cold creams’ or designer moisturizers that lack clinically meaningful actives are not worth the money. Instead, he advises putting your budget toward the treatments that stay on skin (vitamin C, retinoids, sunscreen) and using a single moisturizer that already contains active ingredients.
vs alternatives
Reallocating funds from passive products to active treatments yields greater anti-aging results per dollar.
You don't need a $100 cleanser because it's just cleansing your skin and it doesn't stay on.
Also said
“Those astringents filled with alcohol actually would disrupt the skin's microbiome.”— Explains the biological harm of old-school toners.
“There are moisturizers out there that smell nice, they feel nice on your skin, but they don't do squat.”— Bluntly states the problem with inactive luxury creams.
A vitamin C serum formulated with vitamin E for synergy, housed in an opaque white bottle to prevent oxidation.
DisclosureDr. Yun is the founder of Youn Beauty and created this product as a more affordable version of the CE Ferulic concept.
He created this serum because he saw the value in combining vitamins C and E but wanted to offer it at a lower price than the legendary SkinCeuticals CE Ferulic. He emphasized that the bottle’s opaque design protects the unstable vitamin C from light exposure, and the formula is designed to be well-tolerated.
vs alternatives
Aims to replicate the C+E synergy of SkinCeuticals at a lower price point.
We kind of created my own version of C antioxidant serum because I know it's such a great idea because we know it's synergistic.
A moisturizer containing stabilized retinol in liposomes, designed for long-term tolerability. Not as aggressive as prescription tretinoin, so less suitable for severe sun damage.
DisclosureDr. Yun is the founder of Youn Beauty. He, his wife, and his mother use this product.
His retinol moisturizer incorporates liposomal delivery to reduce irritation and is buffered with moisturizers, fatty acids, and antioxidants. He considers it a ‘cornerstone’ product for nightly anti-aging in most skin types, but he advises that patients with heavily sun-damaged skin may need prescription tretinoin for faster results. He frames it as a long-term, sustainable option rather than a quick fix.
vs alternatives
Compared to prescription tretinoin, it is much gentler but works more slowly; compared to drugstore retinols, it offers higher moisturization and stability.
Personal experience
I use it, my wife use it, my mom uses it, we send it to them every month.
What I like about ours is that virtually everybody can tolerate it unless you're super super sensitive. … If you have really really sun damaged skin … then my beauty retinol moisturizer may not be the best option for you. That's where I would go more towards a trinolan.
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