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Inside the FUTURISTIC Detox "Sauna" That Uses Ozone, PEMF, Microcurrents & MORE
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Inside the FUTURISTIC Detox "Sauna" That Uses Ozone, PEMF, Microcurrents & MORE

Ben Greenfield
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TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

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TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

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Ben Greenfield demos the Hocket, a home detox sauna combining ozone, heat, carbonic acid, far infrared, PEMF, and microcurrents for a synergistic detox and recovery session.

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The carbonic acid component drives vasodilation and parasympathetic activation, improving oxygen delivery and sleep quality, with a 257% blood flow increase shown in studies.

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Andre, the inventor, built in safety features like heart rate monitoring and automatic shut-off, making it suitable for supervised home use.

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Ben uses the Hocket once a week with essential oils and specific microcurrent programs, noting deep relaxation and improved sleep.

Protocols

Concrete recipes — what, when, how much, and why

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Weekly Hocket Detox Session

WhatA 30-45 minute session in the Hocket device, combining ozone, steam heat (100-104°F), carbonic acid (3-8 min exposure), far infrared, PEMF, and a selected microcurrent frequency, with optional essential oils.
WhenOnce per week for maintenance; twice per week for optimal results. Ben does it once a week, typically followed by red light therapy.
Dose30-45 minutes per session. CO2 exposure set to 3-8 minutes. Temperature ramped to 100-104°F. Microcurrent program selected based on need (e.g., full-body feel-good, knee, gut, neck).
For whomBiohackers and health enthusiasts seeking deep detoxification, improved sleep, and recovery. Not for those with low blood pressure (if using carbonic acid), acute infections with high fever, or certain cardiac conditions without medical supervision.
WhyStacking these modalities potentiates detoxification: heat opens pores and increases transdermal absorption of ozone and carbonic acid; ozone oxidizes pathogens and toxins; carbonic acid vasodilates and shifts the nervous system to parasympathetic; far infrared structures water for toxin chelation; PEMF enhances cellular transport; microcurrents target specific tissues.
CaveatsContraindications: low blood pressure (risk of fainting from carbonic acid vasodilation), certain cardiac arrhythmias, pregnancy (not explicitly stated but typical for hyperthermia). Always start with lower temperatures and shorter CO2 durations. Use the heart rate monitor; if pulse spikes, the session will auto-abort. Do not breathe ozone; head remains outside the chamber.

Ben has been using the Hocket once a week and finds it profoundly relaxing, with a noticeable 'zombie mode' for 1-2 hours post-session followed by renewed energy. He adds essential oils for additional aromatherapy and absorption. Andre recommends twice weekly for optimal results, but once a week is sufficient for maintenance. The device includes a dashboard to customize all parameters, and Ben selects microcurrent programs from a booklet based on his current needs (e.g., full-body, knee, gut). He emphasizes the importance of reviewing the safety manuals before use. The session is passive; you sit with your head outside the pod, and the machine cycles through the programmed modalities.

Mechanism

Heat induces hyperthermia (100-104°F), which increases skin permeability and blood flow, enhancing transdermal absorption of ozone and carbonic acid. Ozone (O3) breaks down to O2 and a reactive oxygen atom that oxidizes pathogens, toxins, and cellular debris. Carbonic acid (H2CO3) forms when CO2 meets water on the skin; it vasodilates blood vessels (up to 257% flow increase), triggers the Bohr effect to release oxygen from hemoglobin, and activates the parasympathetic nervous system. Far infrared restructures cellular water into hexagonal clusters that chelate heavy metals and toxins. PEMF opens and closes cell membranes, improving nutrient influx and waste efflux. Microcurrents deliver specific frequencies that resonate with target organs or tissues, enhancing their function.

Personal experience

Ben: 'I've been doing the hawket once a week... I sleep like a baby. As a matter of fact, I have a red light bed and I go in there like fall asleep in the red light bed after the hawket. I'm like I and then I've got energy later on, but there's like one or two hours afterwards where I'm like literally just like zombie mode.' He also notes, 'I add essential oils to the hocket when I use it.'

I've been doing the hawket once a week and I go out to my garage and there's a little booklet besides the unit and I just I thumb through these microcurrens.

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“optimally if you do it twice a week that would be like really really great... twice is perfect and once is for maintenance and it really packs a punch.”— Andre's frequency recommendation, which Ben may adopt.
“I sleep like a baby... I've got energy later on, but there's like one or two hours afterwards where I'm like literally just like zombie mode.”— Ben's subjective experience of the post-session effects.

Post-Hocket Red Light Therapy

WhatImmediately after a Hocket session, lie in a red light bed to extend relaxation and potentially enhance mitochondrial recovery.
WhenRight after the Hocket session, while still in a parasympathetic state.
DoseNot specified; Ben implies he falls asleep in it, so likely 10-20 minutes.
For whomAnyone with access to a red light bed; especially those seeking enhanced recovery.
WhyRed light therapy stimulates mitochondrial ATP production and reduces inflammation. Combining it with the post-Hocket parasympathetic state may deepen recovery.
CaveatsNone mentioned.
Mechanism

Red and near-infrared light photons are absorbed by cytochrome c oxidase in mitochondria, increasing ATP synthesis and reducing oxidative stress. The Hocket's carbonic acid already shifts the body into rest-and-digest mode, so adding red light may amplify cellular repair.

Personal experience

Ben says, 'I have a red light bed and I go in there like fall asleep in the red light bed after the hawket.' He finds it easy to drift off, indicating deep relaxation.

I have a red light bed and I go in there like fall asleep in the red light bed after the hawket.

What's new

Personal practice updates, fresh positions, predictions

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Transdermal ozone absorption via heat is more effective and less invasive than IV or rectal methods

Ben now believes that sitting in the Hocket for 30+ minutes delivers more ozone transdermally than rectal insufflation or even some IV methods, due to heat-enhanced skin permeability.

Why this matters: Challenges the common biohacker reliance on invasive ozone administration (10-pass, rectal) by showing a non-invasive, at-home alternative that may be equally or more effective.

Background

Ozone therapy is typically administered via IV (autohemotherapy, 10-pass, or dialysis-like EBOO), rectal insufflation, or topical bagging. These require clinical supervision or are uncomfortable. Ben has tried all of them.

Ben has experimented with various ozone delivery methods, including 10-pass IV, rectal insufflation, and ozone water. He notes that when he couldn't use the Hocket for three weeks, he resorted to rectal insufflation but felt it was inferior. Andre explains that two rectal sessions equal roughly one autohemotherapy session, but the Hocket's combination of heat and steam opens the skin's pores and increases blood flow, allowing ozone to absorb across the entire body surface. The heat also accelerates the breakdown of ozone into hydrogen peroxide and reactive oxygen species, which further drive detoxification. Ben's personal experience is that the Hocket leaves him feeling more deeply detoxified than any other ozone method, with visible excretion of toxins (green/brown residue) as evidence.

Personal experience

Ben shares that he has done ozone IVs, rectal insufflation, and ozone bagging. He says, 'I still think you get less than you get transdermally sitting in a unit for, you know, 30 plus minutes.' He also describes seeing colored excretions on the Hocket seat after sessions, which he finds 'a little gross' but indicative of detox.

I still think you get less than you get transdermally sitting in a unit for, you know, 30 plus minutes.

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“two rectal inflation sessions will be equally as effective as one automotherapy session.”— Andre quantifies the relative potency, underscoring that transdermal delivery in the Hocket is even more efficient.
“I've gotten green and brown in there before. Yeah, it's a little gross.”— Ben's firsthand observation of toxin excretion supports the claim of deep detoxification.

Carbonic acid's role in autonomic regulation and oxygen delivery is a key differentiator

Ben now emphasizes that the Hocket's CO2/carbonic acid component is not just a vasodilator but a powerful parasympathetic activator that resets the autonomic nervous system, improving sleep and recovery.

Why this matters: Most detox protocols focus on heat and ozone, but the addition of carbonic acid addresses the root cause of many chronic issues—sympathetic dominance—by forcing a parasympathetic shift.

Background

Carbonic acid (H2CO3) is formed when CO2 dissolves in water. It is naturally produced in the body and is critical for the Bohr effect (oxygen release from hemoglobin) and vasodilation. Chronic stress leads to shallow breathing, reducing CO2 levels and contributing to sympathetic overdrive.

Andre explains that carbonic acid is not a waste product; you would die as quickly from lack of CO2 as from lack of oxygen. The Hocket introduces CO2 into the chamber, where it combines with moisture on the skin to form carbonic acid, which is absorbed transdermally. This causes immediate vasodilation (a Japanese study showed a 257% increase in blood flow in just 3 minutes of carbonic acid foot baths) and triggers the Bohr effect, enhancing oxygen unloading to tissues. More importantly, it sedates the central nervous system, shifting the body from sympathetic (fight-or-flight) to parasympathetic (rest-and-digest) dominance. Andre notes that many people fail to heal because they are stuck in sympathetic mode; carbonic acid helps restore the balance, allowing the body to repair during sleep. Ben connects this to the benefits of mouth taping (mild CO2 retention) and reports that after Hocket sessions he sleeps deeply and feels 'like a baby.'

Personal experience

Ben says, 'I sleep like a baby. As a matter of fact, I have a red light bed and I go in there like fall asleep in the red light bed after the hawket. I'm like I and then I've got energy later on, but there's like one or two hours afterwards where I'm like literally just like zombie mode.' He also notes the parallel to mouth taping for CO2 retention.

carbonic acid is your body's natural mechanism to try and get all of that sorted out. The problem is stress... carbonic acid is actually supposed to regulate it but if you don't breathe properly you don't have that mechanism to work.

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“they did a study where they actually had people in carbonic acid footpaths... they will have an increase of blood flow of 257% in just 3 minutes.”— Quantifies the rapid vasodilatory effect of transdermal carbonic acid.
“it now put your sedate your central nervous system. So your parasympathetic nervous system come up and your sympathetic come down.”— Highlights the autonomic rebalancing mechanism that Ben finds crucial for recovery.

Stacking multiple modalities (ozone, heat, CO2, FIR, PEMF, microcurrents) creates a powerful detox synergy

Ben realizes that the Hocket's true power lies in the simultaneous application of five technologies that potentiate each other, addressing detoxification from multiple angles at once.

Why this matters: Most biohackers use these modalities separately; the Hocket integrates them into a single session, which Ben argues is more effective because each enhances the others' mechanisms.

Background

Individual therapies like infrared sauna, ozone IV, PEMF mats, and microcurrent devices are popular in biohacking circles. Ben himself has used them separately, including a 'superhuman protocol' combining PEMF, exercise, oxygen, and red light.

Ben walks through the synergy: heat increases transdermal absorption of ozone and carbonic acid; carbonic acid vasodilates, improving oxygen and nutrient delivery; far infrared structures water in the body, allowing it to better envelope and excrete toxins; PEMF opens and closes cell membranes, enhancing transcellular transport; microcurrents provide specific frequency signals to target organs or issues. Andre confirms that each technology potentiates the others, creating a cascade that the body cannot achieve with any single modality. Ben compares it to his superhuman protocol but notes the Hocket does it all passively in 30 minutes. The result is a comprehensive detox that pulls toxins from cells, into the bloodstream, and out through sweat, while simultaneously delivering oxygen and nutrients.

Personal experience

Ben says, 'I'm thinking this is kind of similar because I've got the heat which is increasing transdermal absorption of the ozone and carbonic acid. I've got the carbonic acid which is increasing vasodilation for better delivery of oxygen to tissues. I've got far infrared to actually structure the water so there's better nutrient delivery in and metabolic waste out. And then I've got... PEMF... opening and closing of the cell membranes to further accelerate the process. So basically this is stacking like five different modalities all of which have a direct impact specifically on detoxification getting stuff out of the body.'

you've got all of this technology stacking each other whether one potentiate the other. You need electricity. You need blood flow. You need nutrient absorption. You need neurotransmitters to fire to give signals in your nervous system.

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“So basically this is stacking like five different modalities all of which have a direct impact specifically on detoxification getting stuff out of the body.”— Ben's own summary of the synergistic effect.

Safety innovations like heart rate monitoring and gradual ramp-up allow at-home use of powerful detox therapies

Ben highlights that the Hocket's built-in safety features—heart rate monitor with automatic shut-off, gradual temperature ramp, and modular controls for each technology—make it safe for non-clinical settings.

Why this matters: Powerful detox tools like hyperthermia and ozone are typically clinic-only due to risks; the Hocket's safety engineering brings them into the home without compromising efficacy.

Background

Traditional hyperthermia units (like those used in cancer clinics) require medical supervision, rectal temperature probes, and cold water head cooling. Ozone IVs carry risks of embolism or oxidative stress if not properly dosed. Home saunas lack these safeguards.

Andre recounts that early in development, doctors warned him he would kill people. This drove him to prioritize safety. The Hocket includes a chest or finger heart rate monitor that can automatically abort the session if pulse exceeds a set threshold. The temperature can be ramped slowly for cardiovascular patients. Each modality (CO2, PEMF, microcurrents, FIR) can be independently disabled based on contraindications—for example, carbonic acid is turned off for those with low blood pressure to avoid fainting. Ben appreciates that the dashboard lets him customize every parameter and that the company provides extensive manuals and videos. This layered safety approach is what convinced him to use it unsupervised at home.

Personal experience

Ben mentions that he went through the manuals and videos 'pretty intensively before diving in' and feels confident using it alone. He notes the dashboard options for CO2 duration, temperature, and microcurrent programs.

you can actually when you set a certain pulse rate you can actually switch off the whole session and it will not start again.

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“if you have low blood pressure you can faint. That's a contra indication for giving administering carbonic acid. So you literally will faint because you don't have enough pressure.”— Explains why the ability to disable carbonic acid is a critical safety feature.

Far infrared structures water to enhance toxin chelation and excretion

Ben learns that the far infrared component doesn't just heat the body but restructures cellular water into a hexagonal form that can better envelop and remove toxins.

Why this matters: This goes beyond the typical understanding of infrared saunas as mere heat sources, adding a biophysical mechanism for detox.

Background

Far infrared saunas are commonly used for detoxification, but the mechanism is usually attributed to increased sweating and circulation. The concept of water structuring is less mainstream.

Andre explains that far infrared waves penetrate the chamber walls and interact with water molecules in the body, breaking up clusters and reorganizing them into hexagonal structures. This 'structured water' has a higher solvent capacity, allowing it to envelope heavy metals, toxins, and pollutants, and then carry them out through sweat or via the liver and kidneys. Ben connects this to his existing knowledge of PEMF and red light therapy, which also affect cellular water, but notes that FIR adds a unique chelation-like effect. This complements the ozone's oxidative breakdown of toxins and the carbonic acid's circulatory boost.

what firef does, right, is firefed is known to structure water in your body... it open up the bonding anger of the water... it becomes structured to hexagonal structures where it can envelope heavy metals, toxins, or any kinds of pollutants.

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“it can easily penetrate cells but can also then take some toxins and what you would say chelate the toxins.”— Clarifies the chelation-like action of structured water.

Adding essential oils to the Hocket enhances the experience

Ben personally adds essential oils to the Hocket to combine aromatherapy with transdermal absorption, leveraging the heat to increase uptake of phenolic compounds.

Why this matters: A simple, low-cost addition that personalizes the session and may add therapeutic benefits.

Background

Andre's original hydrotherapy work used essential oils in baths to provoke different physiological responses. The Hocket's steam and heat environment is ideal for volatilizing and absorbing these compounds.

Personal experience

Ben says, 'I add essential oils to the hocket when I use it just to get that also.' He doesn't specify which oils, but the practice stems from Andre's earlier work showing that different oils can influence hormones, neurotransmitters, and enzymes.

I add essential oils to the hocket when I use it just to get that also.

Recommendations

Products, supplements, and tools mentioned in the episode

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Adding Essential Oils to Hocket Sessions

Practice

Ben adds a few drops of essential oils to the Hocket before a session to combine aromatherapy with transdermal absorption.

Andre's background in hydrotherapy involved using different essential oils to provoke specific physiological responses (e.g., relaxation, hormone modulation). The Hocket's steam and heat volatilize the oils, allowing inhalation and skin absorption. Ben doesn't specify which oils he uses, but the practice is a simple way to personalize the session.

vs alternatives

Compared to using a diffuser, the Hocket's enclosed environment and heat may increase absorption.

Personal experience

Ben: 'I add essential oils to the hocket when I use it just to get that also.'

I add essential oils to the hocket when I use it just to get that also.

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Red Light Therapy Bed

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Ben uses a red light bed immediately after his Hocket session to extend relaxation and enhance recovery.

Red light therapy is a well-known biohacking tool for mitochondrial health, skin, and inflammation. Ben's practice of using it post-Hocket takes advantage of the parasympathetic state induced by the carbonic acid, potentially deepening the restorative effects. He doesn't specify the brand, but any high-quality red light bed or panel would work.

vs alternatives

Compared to using red light at other times, post-Hocket may be more effective due to increased blood flow and parasympathetic dominance.

Personal experience

Ben: 'I have a red light bed and I go in there like fall asleep in the red light bed after the hawket.'

I have a red light bed and I go in there like fall asleep in the red light bed after the hawket.

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Carbon Dioxide Therapy Podcast with Andre Olsen

Product

Ben references a previous podcast he did on the benefits of carbon dioxide inhalation and therapy, which he links in the show notes.

Ben mentions this podcast as a resource for listeners who want to dive deeper into the science of CO2 and carbonic acid, which is a key component of the Hocket. The podcast features Andre Olsen and covers topics like CO2 retention, the Bohr effect, and therapeutic uses of carbon dioxide.

I did a big podcast on the benefits of carbon dioxide inhalation and carbon dioxide therapy with Andre Olsen. I'll link to it in the show notes.

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Notable quotes

Lines worth pulling out — contrarian, specific, or perfectly phrased

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You can't put that guy back together once it's done.
Andre's vivid analogy for enzyme denaturation above 104°F, emphasizing the irreversible damage of excessive heat.
If you detoxify the body, will it help with degenerative diseases? Yes, it will. Will it help with arthritis? Yes, it will help. Will it help with asthma? Yes, it will help if you detoxified.
Andre's Socratic exchange with a professor that encapsulates the foundational premise of the Hocket: detoxification as a universal health intervention.
I sleep like a baby... I've got energy later on, but there's like one or two hours afterwards where I'm like literally just like zombie mode.
Ben's candid description of the immediate post-Hocket sedation followed by renewed energy, illustrating the profound autonomic shift.
I've gotten green and brown in there before. Yeah, it's a little gross.
Ben's unfiltered observation of visible toxin excretion, providing tangible evidence of the detox effect.

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