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Is There Really a Compound For Every Biohack? With Dr. Sandra Kaufmann
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Is There Really a Compound For Every Biohack? With Dr. Sandra Kaufmann

Ben Greenfield
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TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

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TL;DR

The four things you'd lose by not watching

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Dr. Sandra Kaufmann reframes biohacking as cellular optimization: because sauna, fasting, cold, and exercise hit specific molecular targets, well-characterized pharmaceuticals can mimic those targets when time, travel, or practicality gets in the way.

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Her core stack includes pioglitazone or lithium for autophagy, SELBX (Cellbeex) for heat-shock protein induction, hydralazine for AGE/inflammation scavenging, pentoxifylline for microvascular/mitochondrial support, and 75–150 mg/day lithium for brain, bone, and stem-cell longevity.

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Doses are not psychiatric or pathology doses: she takes pentoxifylline 400 mg once daily instead of three times, titrated hydralazine from 2.5 mg over three years to 100 mg with meals, and uses lithium well below the 300–900 mg psychiatric range.

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NAD+ is circadian: Kaufmann prefers mid-afternoon IM or oral NAD+ over IV megadoses, and she pairs sirtuin activators such as DHM with adequate NAD+ to make them effective.

Protocols

Concrete recipes — what, when, how much, and why

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SELBX (Cellbeex) for heat-shock protein induction

WhatUse the Japanese drug-induced-gastritis drug SELBX to upregulate heat shock proteins and mimic the molecular effects of sauna, including improved protein folding and reduced dementia risk.
WhenDaily as part of a pill stack; can be used in addition to sauna, not only as a replacement.
DoseDose not stated in the transcript.
For whomPeople who travel, lack sauna access, cannot tolerate sauna, or want extra heat-shock protein support for brain health.
WhyHeat shock proteins are chaperones that refold denatured proteins; Alzheimer's and dementia are protein-misfolding diseases, and heat shock proteins can reduce the damage.
CaveatsKaufmann says there are zero side effects and no downside to over-upregulating heat shock proteins; it does not raise body temperature, so you will not perceive a sauna-like effect.

SELBX is FDA-approved in Japan for drug-induced gastritis, which Kaufmann finds ironic because it protects the stomach from the very drugs she is recommending. The same heat-shock mechanism operates in different tissues: in the stomach it prevents drug-induced inflammation; in the brain it refolds misfolded proteins and may slow or reverse dementia-related cell dysfunction. She says it also makes sense to take SELBX alongside sauna because more heat shock proteins are unambiguously beneficial.

Mechanism

Heat shock proteins are molecular chaperones that restore the three-dimensional structure of proteins denatured by heat or inflammation. SELBX upregulates these chaperones independent of temperature stress, so you get the proteostasis benefit without altering your physical heat response.

Personal experience

Kaufmann says she pops SELBX into her pill stack to protect against drug-induced gastritis from her other drugs while simultaneously upregulating heat shock proteins.

Zero side effects. It is an incredible medication. And I would I would even say use it in addition to the sauna because there there's no ramification of overupregulating your heat shock proteins.

Also said
“This is a drug called Cellbeex, S E LB X, and it's been FDA approved in Japan uh for drug induced gastritis.”— Establishes the drug's official approved use.
“Alzheimer's is a disease of misfolding of proteins and if you can refold them are you just going to do significantly better.”— Explains why heat-shock upregulation matters for dementia.
“Celex isn't based on the stress of temperature. There's no temperature elevation whatsoever. It just upregulates the chaperons.”— Clarifies that the drug is a molecular mimetic, not a thermal sauna substitute.

Hydralazine for AGE scavenging and inflammation

WhatUse low-dose hydralazine, an arterial vasodilator, to scavenge free radicals and reactive nitrogen, block AGE formation, and bind glucose so it can be excreted in urine.
WhenTake with meals that contain an appreciable amount of glucose, after building tolerance.
DoseStart extremely low; Kaufmann began at 5 mg, dropped to 2.5 mg, and over three years built up to 100 mg with meals.
For whomPeople who eat glucose or carbohydrates and want to blunt AGE accumulation, or people looking for pharmaceutical anti-inflammatory support under medical supervision.
WhyThe hydrazine molecule is a potent free-radical and reactive-nitrogen scavenger and a powerful transglycosylating agent, making it useful for blocking inflammatory and glycation pathways.
CaveatsIt is a blood-pressure drug; without titration it can cause severe hypotension. Kaufmann's first 5 mg dose dropped her blood pressure to 60/40. Space it from other vasodilators and PDE5 inhibitors.

Hydralazine is an emergency blood-pressure drug, but Kaufmann uses it for the hydrazine molecule's scavenging properties. When glucose is eaten, it attaches to amino acids and nucleic acids through six non-enzymatic steps; the first three are reversible and the last three are not. Hydralazine is more attractive to glucose, so the glucose jumps ship and the conjugate is excreted in urine. That makes it a practical tool for anyone eating a high-glucose diet: you can effectively sponge up some glucose before it becomes an advanced glycation end product.

Mechanism

Hydralazine scavenges reactive oxygen species and reactive nitrogen species, blocking inflammatory signaling. Its hydrazine group acts as a transglycosylating agent that competes for glucose molecules, preventing irreversible AGE formation and allowing the glucose-hydralazine adduct to be excreted.

Personal experience

Kaufmann described her own titration: “I took five milligrams and thought I was going to die. My blood pressure was 60 over 40... I went down to 2 and a half milligrams, built up, and over the course of three years, I can now take 100 milligrams with no effect.”

It's a fantastic trans glycosillating agent and reduces inflammatory processes.

Also said
“It is a very potent free radical scavenger in terms of free radicalized oxygen but it is also one of the most potent reactive nitrogen scavengers.”— Establishes the anti-inflammatory mechanism.
“The hydroine molecule is extremely attractive to a glucose molecule.”— Explains the transglycosylation/glucose-sponge mechanism.
“You can trace it out of your out of your urine and you just sort of, you know, avoided a whole glucose load.”— Shows a concrete metabolic endpoint: glucose excretion.

Pentoxifylline for microvascular and mitochondrial support

WhatUse pentoxifylline, a blood-viscosity-reducing drug, to improve microvascular blood flow, inhibit glycation, activate PGC-1alpha and NRF2, and support mitochondrial health.
WhenOnce daily, spaced away from hydralazine to avoid additive blood-pressure effects.
DoseKaufmann takes 400 mg once daily instead of the label's 400 mg three times daily; label doses are for pathology, her dose is for longevity.
For whomPeople wanting microvascular and mitochondrial support, especially if they cannot exercise as much as they would like, under physician guidance.
WhyAging causes capillary death in the distal vascular tree; pentoxifylline increases tissue oxygenation, makes blood cells more deformable, inhibits AGE formation, and activates mitochondrial-related transcription factors.
CaveatsIt is a real vasodilator and can interact with other blood-pressure-lowering drugs; she spaces it from hydralazine.

Kaufmann describes pentoxifylline as a phosphodiesterase-class-adjacent agent that increases microvascular blood flow by lowering blood viscosity and making red blood cells more deformable. That is why it helps distal tissues that lose capillary density with age. She also values it because it inhibits glycation and activates PGC-1alpha and NRF2, giving mitochondrial and antioxidant benefits.

Mechanism

Pentoxifylline reduces blood viscosity and increases erythrocyte deformability, improving oxygen delivery to microvasculature. It inhibits glycation, activates PGC-1alpha to support mitochondrial function, and activates NRF2 to upregulate antioxidant defenses.

Personal experience

Kaufmann says she takes 400 mg once daily, not the three-times-daily therapeutic dose, because she does not have pathology.

As far as I'm concerned, like that's a win-win.

Also said
“It decreases uh the viscosity of your blood. Um it makes blood cells themselves more deformable.”— Mechanism for improved microvascular flow.
“It's a PCG-1 alpha activator and it's an NRF2 activator.”— Links the drug to mitochondrial biogenesis and antioxidant response.
“The indications and the dose are just entirely different for pathology versus longevity.”— Her key dosing philosophy for all repurposed drugs.

Lithium 75–150 mg/day

WhatTake low-dose lithium daily for stress resilience, telomere maintenance, autophagy, stem-cell health, osteoblast support, and neurogenesis.
WhenDaily; Kaufmann gave her daughters 75 mg/day during stressful college transition periods.
Dose75–150 mg/day; 300 mg is generally safe, while 600–900 mg psychiatric doses cause pathological issues.
For whomEmotionally stable adults wanting stress dampening and long-term brain/bone/stem-cell support; Kaufmann says higher doses also help anxiety, OCD, and ADHD-like tendencies.
WhyLithium is an essential ion; areas with higher natural lithium in food/water have lower all-cause mortality, and lithium has multiple mitochondrial and neuroprotective effects at low doses.
CaveatsLithium competes with magnesium, so magnesium deficiency can emerge; most people are already magnesium deficient. If supplementing magnesium, use a form that crosses the blood-brain barrier such as magnesium L-threonate.

Kaufmann came to lithium through studying telomeres: bipolar patients have shorter telomeres, but bipolar patients on lithium for more than two years have longer telomeres than average. Normal people have not been studied on significant doses, so she used pharmacodynamics to settle on 75–150 mg. She describes lithium as controlling the mitochondrial permeability transition pore, which prevents cytochrome C release and cell death; it is also pro-autophagy, pro-stem-cell, pro-osteoblast, and neurogenic. Her daughters told her 75 mg/day turned their stress down by about 25%, and she herself felt it helped her manage a difficult year.

Mechanism

Lithium competes with magnesium at receptors; it controls the mitochondrial permeability transition pore, reducing toxic mitochondrial contents from leaking into the cell; it supports telomere-related enzymes, stimulates autophagy, improves stem-cell and osteoblast health, and crosses the blood-brain barrier to promote neurogenesis.

Personal experience

She gave her two teenage daughters 75 mg/day lithium; each said it took their stress down about 25% with no cognitive change. She also takes lithium herself and says she managed a year of “horrible things” better while on it.

I decided on 75 to 150 just based on sort of pharmacodnamics. That's what a person can handle. Um they are emotionally stable with no side effect profile.

Also said
“They each told me that it takes your stress and turns it down by like 25%.”— Her real-world n-of-2 data from her daughters.
“In your mitochondria, it actually controls your mitochondrial permeability transition pore.”— Explains a key mitochondrial mechanism.
“It's also extremely good for stem cell health uh as well as osteoblastic health. So better bones, better stem cells all over especially neurogenesis.”— Lists the non-psychiatric benefits she prioritizes.

Mid-afternoon NAD+ dosing and IM route

WhatTake NAD+ in the mid-afternoon, halfway between your light and dark cycle; prefer IM over IV and avoid large IV boluses.
WhenMid-afternoon, halfway between the light and dark cycle; coordinate with sirtuin activator timing.
DoseNo dose specified; oral forms take roughly half an hour to take effect.
For whomPeople using NAD+, NAD+ precursors, or sirtuin activators, especially those who currently get NAD+ IVs.
WhyNAD+ is circadian and regulates sleep/wake proteins; a giant IV bolus can disrupt circadian rhythms for days, and wrong-time NAD+ can blunt sirtuin-one efficacy.
CaveatsKaufmann dislikes IV because the dose is too big; she prefers IM. Sirtuin activation takes about an hour, so timing should be planned if you want to optimize both.

Kaufmann's circadian-rhythm research found that NAD+ and sirtuin one govern the two sleep-inducing proteins, the two wake-inducing proteins, and the two proteins that amplify those oscillations. NAD+ is itself produced in a circadian rhythm and has a short half-life, making timing critical. If you take NAD+ at the wrong time, you can reduce the efficacy of sirtuin one supplements. Her practical recommendation is mid-afternoon dosing, halfway between light and dark, and IM over IV for injectable use.

Mechanism

NAD+ is a circadian molecule with a short half-life; it oscillates with the light/dark cycle and controls circadian gene expression. Oversized IV boluses override that rhythm, while IM dosing is more moderate and oral dosing takes effect more gradually.

Personal experience

Kaufmann states her route preference directly: “I like the IM actually, and then the orals are going to take half an hour or so to take effect.”

So if you do a giant IV bolus dose, you're going to screw up your circadian rhythms for several days.

Also said
“The best time to take it is actually midafter afternoon, halfway between your light and dark cycle.”— Her core timing prescription.
“If you take your NAD supplement at the wrong time, you can decrease the efficacy of your suin one supplement.”— Explains the interaction between NAD+ and sirtuins.
“If you want to sort of optimize both, mid-afternoon, mid light, midlight cycle.”— Repeats the practical takeaway for co-dosing.

Magnesium L-threonate when taking lithium

WhatIf you supplement magnesium while on lithium, choose magnesium L-threonate, also called magnesium 3&8, because it crosses the blood-brain barrier.
WhenNot specified in the episode; the context is preventing magnesium deficiency while on lithium.
DoseNo dose given in the transcript.
For whomPeople taking lithium, especially at higher doses, or anyone wanting a brain-penetrating magnesium form.
WhyLithium competes with magnesium receptors, and higher lithium doses can create functional magnesium deficiency; most people are already low in magnesium.
CaveatsAvoid letting lithium and magnesium “full war” inside the body; a BBB-crossing form protects neurons.

Kaufmann points out that lithium and magnesium compete even though their molecular structures look dissimilar. This is why high lithium doses cause problems: they create magnesium deficiency. Since most people are already magnesium deficient, supplementing with magnesium L-threonate is a good safeguard while using lithium. She also notes magnesium 3&8 increases hippocampal plasticity, so theoretically it improves memory and learning.

Mechanism

Lithium occupies magnesium receptors; supplemental magnesium, especially a form that crosses the blood-brain barrier, prevents neuronal magnesium depletion. Magnesium L-threonate also increases hippocampal plasticity through its effects on synaptic density.

If you are low in magnesium and you want to supplement go with something that crosses the bloodb brain barrier so that um you know your your neurons and such will not become magnesium deficient.

Also said
“Plus magnesium 3 and8 is demonstrated to increase uh you know plasticity of the hippocampus. So theoretically it'll make you smarter and give you better memories.”— Adds a cognitive benefit to the lithium-magnesium interaction.

DHM with NAD+ for sirtuin activation

WhatUse dihydromyricetin (DHM) as a sirtuin activator, especially for liver and mitochondrial support, while ensuring adequate NAD+ for sirtuin function.
WhenBen says he takes three DHM capsules every morning; Kaufmann does not give a specific timing protocol.
DoseBen: 3 capsules of Level Up Health DHM daily in the morning.
For whomPeople who take sirtuin activators or use alcohol regularly and want liver/mitochondrial support.
WhyDHM activates sirtuins, which upregulate mitochondrial activity; alcohol destroys liver mitochondria, so healthier mitochondria improve recovery.
CaveatsAll sirtuin activators need enough NAD+ to be efficient because NAD+ is a necessary cofactor.

Kaufmann was looking for ways to activate sirtuin three specifically and concluded the two decent options are hinokitiol and dihydromyricetin. DHM upregulates mitochondrial activities, which is why it is sold as a hangover remedy: if your liver mitochondria are healthier before alcohol, you recover better. She adds the caveat that sirtuin activators are ineffective without sufficient NAD+, tying it back to her NAD+ timing guidance.

Mechanism

DHM activates sirtuin proteins, particularly SIRT-type pathways that upregulate mitochondrial activity and enhance mitochondrial health; NAD+ is the mandatory cofactor for sirtuin enzymatic activity.

Personal experience

Ben says, “I actually take a little bit of DHM every morning. I take about three DHM capsules from uh Level Up Health,” and also uses NAD or NR monthly. Kaufmann then affirms DHM is one of her favorites.

All sertuin activators uh need uh enough NAD to be efficient because it's a necessary co-actor.

Also said
“Dihydroaridin works because it um so it basically it's cert. What that does is it upregulates all of your mitochondrial activities.”— Explains the mechanism Kaufmann attributes to DHM.
“Alcohol will destroy your liver mitochondria and by upregulating them more quickly or having them be in a healthier state, you're just going to do better.”— Connects DHM to alcohol recovery.

Monthly exosome injections and IVs

WhatUse exosome therapy monthly, either systemically via IV or locally into an injury, for tissue regeneration and longevity; intranasal exosomes also work for clear-headedness if nasal mucosa is clean.
WhenEvery month “come hell or high water” as part of her longevity pyramid; locally as needed for injuries.
DoseNo standard dose given; Ben says a full intranasal vial over the course of a day kept his head clear for two weeks.
For whomPeople with injuries, arthritis, or a general longevity protocol, ideally under a clinician; Kaufmann includes it in her own monthly routine.
WhyExosomes regenerate wherever they are placed and support cellular repair; monthly systemic dosing provides ongoing longevity maintenance.
CaveatsExosome therapy is not FDA approved in this context; Kaufmann frames her quarterly Club Exosome events as a “club” rather than medical intervention. Intranasal delivery requires clear nasal passages and no vasoconstrictor; get the product as far back as possible toward the cribriform plate.

Kaufmann calls exosomes part of her longevity pyramid: daily actions, weekly actions, and monthly exosome injections. She injects locally into injuries such as her arthritic fingers, puts extra in her face, and otherwise does a “big dump into my vein.” Ben reports that an exosome IV at the conference made him feel amazing, and that intranasal exosomes gave him the clearest head of his life for two weeks.

Mechanism

Exosomes deliver regenerative signals to target tissues; they can be injected locally for site-specific regeneration or intravenously for systemic effects. Intranasal delivery reaches the vasculature through the cribriform plate when the nasal mucosa is clear.

Personal experience

Kaufmann says, “I inject exosomes every month. Come hell high water.” She also says, “I've got some arthritic changes in my finger, so I stab my fingers all the time.” Ben adds that he got an exosome IV from her and always feels amazing.

I inject exosomes every month. Come hell high water.

Also said
“You could put them anywhere you want. Uh they're going to regenerate wherever you stick them.”— Explains why she uses local injections for injuries.
“The key to intraasal is that you just can't have a cold or have extra goo or use a vasoc constrictor because you want to just make sure the mucous membrane is nice and clear and empty.”— Defines the intranasal exosome efficacy conditions.

One-week drug holiday to reset tolerance

WhatStop all supplements and drugs for about a week to downregulate metabolic enzymes and reset tolerance.
WhenWhen you feel you need larger doses than expected to get effects; Ben says for him that looks like camping or hunting.
DoseApproximately one week off everything.
For whomPeople with high tolerance or fast drug metabolism; Kaufmann suggested it after Ben said he needs large doses of many compounds.
WhyEverything in metabolism is on a feedback loop; upregulated CYP-type enzymes will break down compounds faster, so a washout period can restore sensitivity.
CaveatsPrescription medication should not be stopped without medical supervision.

After Ben described needing megadoses of many substances and processing coffee quickly, Kaufmann told him he has probably upregulated his metabolic enzymes. Her remedy is a reset week: come off everything, let the enzyme feedback loops readjust, then see if normal doses work again. Ben responded that for him that basically means going camping or hunting.

Mechanism

Chronic supplementation upregulates metabolic enzymes through feedback loops; a drug holiday downregulates those enzymes, restoring sensitivity to normal doses.

You can come off of everything for like a week and then you can deregulate all of those enzymes because everything is on a feedback loop.

Also said
“For me, that's called camping or hunting.”— Ben maps the protocol onto his real-life reset ritual.

What's new

Personal practice updates, fresh positions, predictions

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“Drug for every biohack” framework

opening segment

Dr. Sandra Kaufmann says there is often a pharmaceutical that hits the same cellular target as a popular biohack such as sauna, cold, heat, or exercise, making the behavior replaceable when you are busy or traveling.

Why this matters: It reframes the “shortcut vs. hard work” objection as a false dilemma: clean molecules and behavioral biohacks are complementary, not substitutes for character.

Background

Kaufmann is an anesthesiologist who spends her days working with pharmaceuticals, which she describes as clean molecules with known origin and known cellular effects.

Her core claim is that popular biohacks work through cellular mechanisms — heat-shock proteins, AMPK/mTOR, sirtuins, NAD+, and similar pathways — and drugs can engage those same mechanisms more efficiently. She is not anti-sauna or anti-exercise; she calls herself an exercise junkie who runs, lifts, swims, and rock climbs, but she travels too much to always get the behavioral stimulus. So she uses pharmaceuticals as an adjunct when the behavior is impractical.

Personal experience

She said, “I love exercise. I'm a junkie just like, you know, probably most of your followers,” but noted she is “certainly not going to pull a sauna out of my suitcase in a hotel room.”

So if you trace everything back to cellular optimization, you'll find that the behaviors of these molecules trigger the exact same things that a lot of these very popular activities do.

Also said
“Pharmaceuticals are very clean molecules. We know who made them. We know exactly what they do.”— Explains her comfort with using prescription molecules as longevity tools.
“I think they're just very complimentary. Um, sometimes you have time for these things and sometimes you don't.”— Shows she sees drugs and hard work as complementary, not opposed.

Low-dose lithium as a longevity mineral

lithium segment

Kaufmann recommends 75–150 mg/day lithium for stress resilience, telomere maintenance, mitochondrial regulation, autophagy, stem cells, bones, and neurogenesis — far above the 5–25 mg seen in nootropic products but below psychiatric doses.

Why this matters: Ben notes that Harvard researchers later published a Nature paper showing lithium is a naturally occurring brain nutrient and that losing it may be an early Alzheimer's step, at doses matching Kaufmann's long-standing recommendation.

Background

Most lithium research comes from bipolar patients: bipolar patients have shorter telomeres, and those on lithium for over two years have significantly longer telomeres than average. Areas with naturally higher lithium in water/food show reduced all-cause mortality.

Kaufmann came to lithium while studying telomerase and the enzymes around telomeres. Because there are no studies of normal people on significant lithium doses, she extrapolated from pharmacodynamics: 600–900 mg causes pathology, roughly 300 mg is generally safe, and 75–150 mg is a practical dose for emotional stability with no side-effect profile. She gave 75 mg/day to her 18- and 20-year-old daughters during stressful college transitions; both said stress dropped by about 25% with no cognitive dulling. She also takes it herself and says she managed a year of difficult personal events better while on lithium.

Personal experience

She gave her daughters 75 mg/day lithium and they each reported stress was “turned down by like 25%.” She says she tends to be calm, but after a year of horrible events, “I think that I have managed them better just being on a bit of lithium.”

I decided on 75 to 150 just based on sort of pharmacodnamics. That's what a person can handle. Um they are emotionally stable with no side effect profile.

Also said
“If someone has been um on lithium for greater than two years with bipolar disease, their telomeres are significantly longer than an average person.”— Evidence that lithium affects telomere biology beyond psychiatric use.
“People in areas where there's higher lithium in foods or in water, etc., there's a decrease in all cause morbidity and mortality.”— Population-level signal for lithium as an essential beneficial ion.
“It's also extremely good for autophagy which which we know and love.”— Connects lithium back to the fasting/autophagy theme.

NAD+ is circadian and route-specific

NAD/circadian section

Kaufmann warns that NAD+ controls and is created in circadian rhythms, so a giant IV bolus can disrupt sleep for days; the best time for NAD+ is mid-afternoon, halfway between light and dark, and IM is preferable to IV.

Why this matters: This challenges the common NAD+ IV clinic practice and gives a practical timing rule for people taking NAD+ or NAD+ boosters with sirtuin activators.

Background

Kaufmann went on a circadian-rhythm research binge and discovered that NAD+ and sirtuins govern the proteins that control sleep/wake cycles and their oscillations.

Two proteins put you to sleep, two wake you up, and two increase the oscillation of those cycles; NAD+ and sirtuin one sit on top of all of them. Because NAD+ is created in a circadian rhythm and has a short half-life, a large IV bolus is disruptive. She also says taking NAD+ at the wrong time can reduce the efficacy of sirtuin-one supplements. Her optimization: mid-afternoon dosing for NAD+, separate from or coordinated carefully with sirtuin activators, and use IM rather than IV because IV doses are too large.

Personal experience

She states her route preference directly: “I like the IM actually, and then the orals are going to take half an hour or so to take effect.”

The best time to take it is actually midafter afternoon, halfway between your light and dark cycle.

Also said
“So if you do a giant IV bolus dose, you're going to screw up your circadian rhythms for several days.”— Direct warning against the popular IV NAD+ approach.
“If you take your NAD supplement at the wrong time, you can decrease the efficacy of your suin one supplement.”— Explains why timing NAD+ matters for sirtuin activation.
“Mid-afternoon, mid light, midlight cycle.”— Her repeated practical takeaway for dosing.

Peptides require a healthy cell factory

peptides vs pharmaceuticals segment

Kaufmann says peptides work by telling DNA to produce specific molecules, so they are only as effective as the cell's ability to execute that order; old or unoptimized cells may not respond, whereas pharmaceuticals work regardless.

Why this matters: Gives a decision rule for peptide vs. pharmaceutical use: optimize the cell first, then add peptides; otherwise peptides may underperform.

Background

Ben asked how pharmaceuticals compare to popular peptide cycles for mitochondrial health, such as MOTS-c or epithalon-style peptides.

Peptides send messages to DNA to turn on production of certain molecules — like requesting a specific shoe from a factory. If the factory is old or depleted, the order cannot be filled. If you are young and have a good factory, peptides are amazing. If you are older and not on a cellular optimization program, they are less effective. Pharmaceuticals, by contrast, work “come hell or high water,” which is why Kaufmann sees them as more reliable in aging patients, with peptides as add-ons after the cell is already optimized.

Pharmaceuticals will work come hell or high water. Peptides will only work under certain conditions.

Also said
“Peptides work by sending messages to your DNA specifically to turn on the production of certain molecules, right?”— Defines her mechanistic model of peptides.
“The problem is that the older you get, the cell may not be able to do that.”— Explains why age changes peptide responsiveness.

Kaufmann Protocol business expansion

closing business update

Kaufmann will not write a book on pharmaceuticals because the drugs are too powerful for an unguided audience; instead she is launching physician seminars, protocol supplements, a rebuilt app, and quarterly Club Exosome events.

Why this matters: Shows how she is translating her research despite FDA and safety concerns: education, club-style exosome access, and algorithmic supplement guidance rather than a risky drug manual.

Background

Book one, The Kaufman Protocol, came out about five years ago. Book two, Aging Solutions, came out roughly 1.5–2 years ago and covers the next 28 over-the-counter agents.

Kaufmann says she deliberately shied away from pharmaceuticals in her books because she worries readers will not understand how powerful they are. Her new seminars are intended for physicians and serious self-experimenters. She is also building protocol supplements based on the seven tenants of aging so people do not need 25–30 separate pills. Club Exosome, co-founded with Steve McCain, is a quarterly Las Vegas event where people get exosome therapy, framed as a club rather than a medical intervention because exosome therapy is not FDA approved.

Personal experience

Ben mentions he received an exosome IV from Kaufmann at a conference and says, “I always feel amazing when I get those.”

There will be no book on pharmaceuticals.

Also said
“I shied away from pharmaceuticals and I continue to only that I'm really concerned that someone's not going to understand that this stuff is really powerful.”— Explains her refusal to write a pharma book.
“We are working on uh protocol supplements based on the seven tenants of aging such that it's easier to target and people don't have to take you know 25 30 different pills.”— Describes the practical supplement line she is developing.

Recommendations

Products, supplements, and tools mentioned in the episode

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Magnesium Breakthrough by Optimizers

Supplement

A multi-form magnesium supplement mentioned by Ben after Kaufmann recommended magnesium L-threonate for lithium users.

Ben says the Optimizers product contains seven different magnesium forms, including magnesium 3&8, and covers all the bases. Kaufmann's own emphasis is on magnesium L-threonate for brain-penetration and hippocampal plasticity.

vs alternatives

Compared to a single magnesium form, the multi-form product is a broad-spectrum option; Kaufmann specifically prefers forms that cross the blood-brain barrier.

Personal experience

Ben says, “I use the stuff by um by optimizers, the magnesium breakthrough. It's like seven different forms including uh three and eight.”

I use the stuff by um by optimizers, the magnesium breakthrough. It's like seven different forms including uh three and eight.

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DHM (dihydromyricetin) from Level Up Health

Supplement

Ben takes three DHM capsules from Level Up Health every morning; Kaufmann says DHM is one of her favorite sirtuin activators and liver-mitochondria protectors.

Kaufmann explored sirtuin-three activation and concluded the two decent options are hinokitiol and dihydromyricetin. DHM works by upregulating mitochondrial activities, which explains its use as a hangover remedy: alcohol destroys liver mitochondria, and healthier mitochondria recover better. She cautions that sirtuin activators need sufficient NAD+ to be effective.

vs alternatives

Compared to other sirtuin activators, Kaufmann names hinokitiol and DHM as the two decent ones.

Personal experience

Ben says, “I actually take a little bit of DHM every morning. I take about three DHM capsules from uh Level Up Health.”

I actually take a little bit of DHM every morning. I take about three DHM capsules from uh Level Up Health.

Also said
“I love dihydroarissetin. Oh, it's one of my favorite.”— Kaufmann endorses DHM personally.
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NAD+ (oral or IM)

Supplement

NAD+ supplementation or injection for circadian and sirtuin support; Ben says he uses NAD or NR about once a month.

Kaufmann explains that NAD+ is circadian, so the route and timing matter more than most people think. She prefers IM over IV because IV doses are too large, and oral NAD+ takes about 30 minutes to take effect. Ben's personal pattern is monthly NAD or NR, plus daily DHM.

vs alternatives

Compared to IV NAD+, IM avoids a circadian-disrupting megadose; oral is another acceptable option with slower onset.

Personal experience

Ben says, “I'm I'm usually NA NAD or NIV once a month. NAD.” Kaufmann responds by urging mid-afternoon timing rather than pre-bed IV dosing.

I like the IM actually, and then the orals are going to take half an hour or so to take effect.

Also said
“So if you do a giant IV bolus dose, you're going to screw up your circadian rhythms for several days.”— The caution that drives her route preference.
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Overseas medication sourcing website

Service

Kaufmann says she gets some of her prescription drugs from outside the United States after vetting the website and manufacturers.

She tested a variety of websites and checks brand authenticity, safety, and manufacturer before ordering. She says safe medication sourcing exists globally, even though the US is pharmacy-centric. Ben says the show notes will include the website at ben greenfieldlife.com/farma.

vs alternatives

Alternative to trying to get a US physician to prescribe a stack that looks like a 100-year-old diabetic hypertensive patient's chart.

Personal experience

Kaufmann says, “I went through a variety of websites to test,” and she checks which brands are on each site and who makes them.

I went through a variety of websites to test. Um and what you do is is you see sort of what brands are on this particular website.

Also said
“If anyone saw that what I was on, they would think I was a 100-year-old diabetic hypertensive someone dying of cancer.”— Explains why she sources outside her US pharmacy record.
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The Kaufman Protocol

Book Sponsored · disclosed

Her first book, released about five years ago, covering her anti-aging protocol and ranking system.

DisclosureAuthored by Dr. Sandra Kaufmann, the featured expert.

Kaufmann says she rewrote, updated, or revised it in the years since Ben's first interview with her. The format combines science, humor, and practical information.

Book one came out about 5 years ago.

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Aging Solutions

Book Sponsored · disclosed

Her second book, published roughly 1.5–2 years ago, covering the next 28 over-the-counter agents with updates on cellular processes.

DisclosureAuthored by Dr. Sandra Kaufmann, the featured expert.

Kaufmann intentionally kept pharmaceuticals out of the book because she is concerned readers will not understand how powerful they are. She frames Aging Solutions as science plus bad jokes, meant to be both entertaining and informative.

vs alternatives

Unlike a pharmaceutical book, this one stays in the OTC supplement world because of safety concerns.

Book two came out about a year and a half ago, two years, and it's called Aging Solutions, and it was the next 28 over-the-counter agents with updates in terms of cellular processes.

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“I shied away from pharmaceuticals and I continue to only that I'm really concerned that someone's not going to understand that this stuff is really powerful.”— Explains the safety boundary she drew for the book.
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Kaufman Protocol website and $2.99 app

Tool Sponsored · disclosed

kaufmanprotocol.com has a master chart with the ranked supplements from her protocol; the app asks basic questions and returns supplement recommendations from her algorithm.

DisclosureOwned by Dr. Kaufmann; the app was recoded by her daughter.

An earlier app attempt failed because the developers screwed up the coding. Her daughter recoded and updated it over the summer, and Kaufmann says the app is available for $2.99. She also updated the website, merch, and the master chart.

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The app replaces the failed earlier version with cleaner coding and updated rankings.

For the low cost of $2.99, uh, my my algorithm after you answer a few basic questions will tell you what supplements you should be on.

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“There's a master chart with all the numbers.”— Confirms the website contains the full ranking data.
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Kaufman Protocol seminars

Service Sponsored · disclosed

Starting this year, seminars to teach physicians and anyone who wants to genuinely understand the protocol how it works and how to apply it in clinics or private use.

DisclosureCreated and taught by Dr. Sandra Kaufmann.

Kaufmann is not writing a pharmaceutical book, but she is willing to teach the protocol in person. The seminars are designed for clinicians and serious self-experimenters rather than a general audience.

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A safer educational route than publishing a do-it-yourself pharmaceutical manual.

There will be calfman protocol seminars to teach physicians and honestly anyone who wants to truly understand how the protocol works.

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“And then to be able to put it into clinics or into own private use.”— Defines the intended reach of the seminars.
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Club Exosome

Service Sponsored · disclosed

Quarterly Las Vegas events where people fly in, see a show, receive exosome therapy, and leave.

DisclosureCo-founded by Dr. Sandra Kaufmann with Steve McCain.

Kaufmann says Club Exosome is framed as a club, not an intervention, because exosome therapy is not FDA approved. Steve McCain is an ex-Olympic athlete with beat-up athlete friends; another friend, ex-Cirque du Soleil performer Brandon Burket, does breath work and can hold his breath underwater for about 23 minutes.

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Intended to feel like entertainment plus treatment rather than a conventional medical clinic.

Personal experience

Ben mentions receiving an exosome IV from Kaufmann at a conference: “I always feel amazing when I get those.”

We do this thing quarterly and people fly in from around the globe, see a show, get their infusion and then off they go.

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“This is because it's a club. It's not an intervention. I'm no one's physician.”— Explains the legal/framing reason for the club model.
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Notable quotes

Lines worth pulling out — contrarian, specific, or perfectly phrased

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There's a drug for just about everything that people do to optimize health with those type of methods these days.
The premise of the entire episode, repeated and confirmed by Dr. Kaufmann.
Well, in no way can I develop anyone's character. Um, if you have poor character that I can't help you.
Humorously rebuts the objection that pharmaceutical mimicry removes the character-building value of hard work.
Once you put something in your genetic makeup, there's no taking it back.
Explains her skepticism of gene therapy and why she prefers titratable pharmaceuticals.
Pharmaceuticals will work come hell or high water. Peptides will only work under certain conditions.
A crisp decision rule for choosing drugs vs peptides in aging patients.
People in areas where there's higher lithium in foods or in water, etc., there's a decrease in all cause morbidity and mortality.
Population-level evidence that lithium is more than a psychiatric drug.
That's what happens when you give your kids lithium, folks.
Ben's joke after learning that Dr. Kaufmann's daughter recoded the app; memorable comic close to the lithium discussion.

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